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Chimaera

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Life in plastic, it’s fantastic!
« on: October 18, 2018, 08:14:34 pm »
Hi Rubicon,

Firstly just want to say loving the stuff you produce and what’s in the pipeline.

My one request would be could you move to 100% plastic. Hands up I am not a manufacturing specialist and I am sure there are good monetary reasons for using Pewter/Resin but I just hate these materials. Yup I know it’s a selfish request and I am also sure there are others who are fine with these materials, I just won’t buy models made in them though.

Hopefully you have a long term plan to move your entire range to plastic.

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Re: Life in plastic, it’s fantastic!
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2018, 11:40:15 pm »
@Chimaera ... I think you will find there are a LOT of people who feel working in plastic is better, for a number of reasons.

But ... what Rubicon has explained in some earlier posts, they started branching out into other areas (not just full-sized vehicle kits) and as a training medium for some of their junior sculptors, taking a design and making it in metal is just way cheaper.  Molds for plastic injection are expensive to make (costing thousands of dollars). Molds for metal figures are almost free in comparison.

And sales are another factor. Once you sink your thousands into making the mold for plastic injection, how many sets of that thing must you sell to even break even? For metal molds, you break even almost immediately. SO you can sell a small number of blister packs and be making money, as opposed to needing to sell a trunkfull if the product had been plastic.

I think we can still expect vehicles and artillery and such to be plastics. But rolling forward, some of their figures will be metal because they don't expect to sell a lot of them, and thus cannot justify the expense of making a plastic mold.

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Re: Life in plastic, it’s fantastic!
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2018, 11:57:27 pm »
I think pewter is superior for figures, but definitely prefer plastic for vehicles. Resin is good for buildings, but I don't like resin vehicles and less still, resin figures.

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Re: Life in plastic, it’s fantastic!
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2018, 01:25:58 am »
I think pewter is superior for figures, but definitely prefer plastic for vehicles. Resin is good for buildings, but I don't like resin vehicles and less still, resin figures.
Not convinced that metal is best for figures.

I would like all plastic, but you need to see the quality of the Waffentrager.

I have only glued the gun mount on mine.
http://ultravanillasmurf.blogspot.com/2018/04/rubicon-waffentrager-put-together.html, the component fit is better than many other company's plastic kits.

I am waiting for the German Panzer crew before I finish mine.
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Re: Life in plastic, it’s fantastic!
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2018, 01:46:03 am »
@Chimaera, I echo EWG's comments.

Resin comes in many forms, the resin used on Rubicon's Waffentrager is of similar density to the ABS plastic used in their injection moulded kits.

The resin used by Empress is very different, it appears to have a metal filler (in the same way Milliput has a porcelain filler). It produces a solid reliable result.

Other resins are used to various degrees of success.

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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2018, 02:42:23 pm »
Totally agree with UVS. Rubicon’s resin is virtually indistinguishable from plastic. It is lightweight, clean, super sharp detail, and comes in kit form. We are not talking great crude solid lumps of hefty grey shiny resin like certain other manufacturers in this scale.

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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2018, 09:37:25 pm »
But I like crude lumps of shiny grey resin  ::) .  Actually I think the real problem is the molds , not the stuff put into the mold ( resin , plastic , metal , pewter ) Back in the good old days ( 1970s ) you could buy  molds for making lead  :o soldiers  . And while the lead made them a little soft and bendable ,( and dangerous if you chewed on them ! ) the detail of the figures was great because the molds were very crisp . Molds have a definite life span and need to be replaced at regular intervals , and  RTV rubber molds for resin parts don't last as long as metal molds for plastic . I think  the problem with some company's kits is that they're  trying to cheap out and drag the life of  mold way past its due date .

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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2018, 12:04:52 am »

Chimaera

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Re: Life in plastic, it’s fantastic!
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2018, 05:08:32 am »
Thanks for the responses all. Of course plastic is a personal choice for me but I understand others may  be not so fussed. I do take onboard the mould cost point, just a shame there is no way of getting this cost down..

Could figures be done in resin, that Waffentrager does look quite crisp but could the resin pick out the detail on miniatures, I could live with resin more than pewter.

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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2018, 08:03:21 am »
While the soldier molds from Prince August look similar smurf  , its not quite the same . But , wow  , price$ have sure gone up n 45 years  ::) .  And while figures can be done with fantastic detail in resin Chimaera , they cost a lot to make as the molds  are only good for 500 for example as opposed to 50000 if your molding plastic . Stoessis  Heroes make 28mm WW2 figures that cost about $10 US each IRC  and larger scale resin ( 1/35 & 1/16 ) can be $16 to $25 or more  each figure . The are mostly aimed at figure painters and diorama builders