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Italian M13/40 & Semovente da 75/18 - Plastic Painted 200930
« on: September 28, 2020, 08:02:00 pm »
The new decal sheet for both the Italian M13/40 & Semovente da 75/18...  It is 1.5x our normal standard size with 6 colours.

We want our FIRST Italian vehicle decal sheet to be "generic" and usable for most fighting vehicles.  It contains all markings for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Armoured Company and Semovente, plus emblems for the Centauro, Ariete, and Lancieri di Novara division.  Also included are the licence plates, war flag, and some Kangaroos (just in case it got captured)!

(NOTE:  the label for Centauro and Ariete are swapped, will amend before printing)

All markings and emblems on the decal sheet are all highly detailed vector graphics with full details when enlarged.  At 1/56 scale, most of them are only 3mm to 4mm in height.  What do you think?




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Re: Italian M13/40 & Semovente da 75/18 - New Decal Sheet Design 200928
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2020, 09:50:07 pm »
That's quite a large selection of decals,  and very nice.  Could you show an update on the kit, please?

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Re: Italian M13/40 & Semovente da 75/18 - New Decal Sheet Design 200928
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2020, 11:19:47 pm »
Fantastic!

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Re: Italian M13/40 & Semovente da 75/18 - New Decal Sheet Design 200928
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2020, 01:31:23 am »
Very nice.

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Re: Italian M13/40 & Semovente da 75/18 - New Decal Sheet Design 200928
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2020, 11:55:19 am »
I nice selection of decals. My knowledge of Italian markings is not as good as Soviet, German, and American markings, but these look good.
 
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... and some Kangaroos (just in case it got captured)!

These are nice additions for those with British Army miniature collections.

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Re: Italian M13/40 & Semovente da 75/18 - New Decal Sheet Design 200928
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2020, 01:42:41 pm »
This project was originally RESIN-based, but as we progress with the development, we felt we can turn it into a plastic kit, and hence the project began!

Not sure why we have not post or update the progress on the forum.  Here it is...

A two sprue kit with 2 multislide mould parts to build:

(1) M13/40 (M14/41) medium tank
(2) Semovente M13/40 or a command tank

Will post test-assembled images later...
















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Re: Italian M13/40 & Semovente da 75/18 - Plastic Sprues 200929
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2020, 02:41:37 pm »
Oh my!  I am going to need a small fleet of these PLASTIC kits when they are finally released!

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Re: Italian M13/40 & Semovente da 75/18 - New Decal Sheet Design 200928
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2020, 03:19:31 pm »
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... we felt we can turn it into a plastic kit, and hence the project began!

Power to the Plastic  ;)

These test sprues look really good. Keep up the good work.

As for spotting any possible mistakes, well, I do not have any good detailed books on the M13/40 (M14/41) medium tank and Semovente M13/40 tanks, but I will look at the few books I do have.

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Re: Italian M13/40 & Semovente da 75/18 - Plastic Painted 200930
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2020, 12:45:26 pm »
Italian tanks plastic test shot test assembled and painted...



























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Re: Italian M13/40 & Semovente da 75/18 - Plastic Painted 200930
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2020, 08:33:08 pm »
Looks pretty good . What jumps out to me , as missing from the kit ......

1. jack 2. spare wheel 3. track tool.
While the jack could also be found mounted forward on either fender , and sometimes 2 spare wheels carried at the rear , the track tool was always mounted center on the rear access hatch ( hatch show open ).

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Re: Italian M13/40 & Semovente da 75/18 - Plastic Painted 200930
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2020, 10:46:13 pm »
Looks pretty good. What jumps out to me, as missing from the kit... 1. jack 2. spare wheel 3. track tool.
While the jack could also be found mounted forward on either fender, and sometimes 2 spare wheels carried at the rear, the track tool was always mounted center on the rear access hatch (hatch show open).

Too late to add anything as the moulds are done.  Also, there are just not enough sprue space to add these items to the tank.  :(

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Re: Italian M13/40 & Semovente da 75/18 - Plastic Painted 200930
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2020, 02:22:46 am »
Neat, no idea what I would it use it for, but...

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Re: Italian M13/40 & Semovente da 75/18 - Plastic Painted 200930
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2020, 04:05:29 am »
Nice to know, I came close to buying some of the Warlord Resin kits. Will hold out for these now!

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Re: Italian M13/40 & Semovente da 75/18 - Plastic Painted 200930
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2020, 05:49:53 am »
Regarding the decal sheet, I have been going over my numerous sources to compare to what you have, and see if my prior knowledge and understanding is open to interpretation.  I have come to the conclusion that your sheet has errors.

Regarding the red, blue and yellow rectangles (used to denote company), you are CORRECT regarding the white vertical bars to denote platoon (1st, 2nd and 3rd).  And you are CORRECT to provide some colored rectangles with no white vertical bars (these were used for the Company HQ vehicles).

However, you are INCORRECT when you show the vehicle number in white over the colored rectangle. The vehicle numbers were done in the same color as the rectangle. So red numbers for 1st Company, blue numbers for 2nd Company, and yellow numbers for 3rd Company.

Regarding the Semovente decals, the use of triangles was an Ariete Division thing (for sure), and possibly a Centauro Division thing (still researching).  But the Littorio Division used colored geometric symbols.  I have it noted they used red circle, triangle, diamond and square shapes.

I have not confirmed if it is always red, or only red for the first company, and perhaps blue for the second company and yellow for the third company.  I have not confirmed if all vehicles in a company use the same shape, or if it is (perhaps) a circle in HQ platoon, and a triangle (for 1st platoon), and a diamond (for 2nd platoon) and a square (for third platoon).  (still researching).

And in case anybody cares about those Semovente decals, the triangles point downward for Company/Platoon vehicles, and they point upward for HQ vehicles.  Also, Semovente were organized by "battery" and not platoon, and the colors are as follows:
     1st Battalion, 1st Battery (white).  1st Battalion, 2nd Battery (black and white tip)
     2nd Battalion, 1st Battery (yellow).  2nd Battalion, 2nd Battery (black and yellow tip)

All four of these are provided for on the decal sheet!

I have seen photos of Semovente with the black and yellow triangles, where the triangle has a black outline. These decals are also on the sheet. I have been unable to discover why some vehicles had the black outline, and others do not.

I commend you for adding them (since there is photographic proof those are legit sometimes), but might I suggest dropping them for something else?

Along the right edge are some MISC decals, and those trios of decal types are all terrific. But there is one missing. You have three black rectangles.  Great. Those would be used as the basis for Battalion HQ vehicles.  But missing would be three white rectangles, which would be used for Regimental HQ vehicles.

I don't know if people are going to be interested in representing regimental command vehicles, so perhaps having the white rectangles is not necessary.  But you are including battalion (black) rectangles, so thought I would point this out.

Loving the 21 license plats offered up!

Finally, I am still researching the Roman Numeral Battalion IDs provided. You have 11 battalions listed.  The Italians had a grand total of 32 armored battalions during the war.  Some were of course, assigned to the armored divisions. Many were independent units, or units assigned to motorized infantry.  I have not concluded (yet) which battalion IDs are more useful, given that there is no way to include them all on a single decal sheet.

Hope this info helps.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2020, 10:48:04 am by EarlyWarGamer »

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Re: Italian M13/40 & Semovente da 75/18 - Plastic Painted 200930
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2021, 04:45:28 am »
Any release date yet?