SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - Question?? 180426

[Rubicon Models]

That's never a good source; restored vehicles are often based on unreliable research (including plastic kits) or shortcuts due to unavailable parts.  I'll see what I have.

We have at least 3 reference books for the subject, but more are welcome! 

[Pinky]

This is the best reference I have on these vehicles:



They didn't change much during production - mostly the visor design, lights and wheels (the triangular plate on the rim was dropped).  Some photos of the SdKfz 223 show a different design for the left side stowage box.

[Rubicon Models]

They didn't change much during production - mostly the visor design, lights and wheels and wheels (the triangular plate was dropped).  Some photos of the SdKfz 223 show a different design for the left side stowage box.

This is very true!  In most cases are the repositioning of selected tools and equipment, adding stowage boxes, and such.  Besides the visor, lights, and wheels, the most modified piece of the vehicle is the top side of the upper hull design and layout.

[Ballardian]

Pleased to see the 222 family up next for the Rubicon treatment, it's a useful little a/c with the 222 in particular remaining in service for pretty much the whole war - so nobody has an excuse not to get one .

[airborne]

Well I`ve gone from collecting U.S.A to German, Russian and British and this looks so good  with the Bmwas well what a prize.

[Rubicon Models]

Additional new stowage and headlight option added to the 3D drawings.
Also added the SdKfz 260/261 to the project.

The key difference for the SdKfz 260/261 compared to the SdKfz 222/223
is the lack of weapons on the vehicle.  Other features include a different
design on the left hull side stowage box (on some units) and the addition
of a frontal stowage bin.  It also featured a retractable "bedframe" antenna
which had been faithfully recreated.











Enjoy!

[Rubicon Models]

3D Prototype of our SdKfz 222 and SdKfz 223.  Didn't have SdKfz 260/261 yet.
I have to say this is by far one of our best creations!





























Enjoy!

[Pinky]

Yes, I have to agree - this looks like one of your best so far.  A very elegant model, and both versions really capture the lines of the originals.

A couple of very minor points: I'm not sure about the little wooden box on the mudguard - it doesn't look like anything (also copied from the Tamiya kit?).  How about including a proper 20mm ammo box?  And maybe also thin down the struts on the jerrycan rack?  It looks a bit heavy-handed at the moment.

[Rubicon Models]

A couple of very minor points: I'm not sure about the little wooden box on the mudguard - it doesn't look like anything (also copied from the Tamiya kit?).  How about including a proper 20mm ammo box?  And maybe also thin down the struts on the jerrycan rack?  It looks a bit heavy-handed at the moment.

The wooden box is optional and can be removed.  Can add 20mm ammo box instead.

The rack is a separate part from the jerrycans, we therefore need to keep the plastic to a
minimum thickness; otherwise it will get deformed during mould injection.  Can talk to our
designer for alternate solution.

[ultravanillasmurf]

20mm ammunition boxes (and MG ammo boxes) would be great (and something for the next stowage set).

That aside, they look great.

How easy will it be to add crew, one of the disadvantages of "open top" vehicles in miniature?

[Rubicon Models]

How easy will it be to add crew, one of the disadvantages of "open top" vehicles in miniature?

Adding crew is quite tricky, except for poses where he is sitting on top of the turret with legs tugged inside.
We have tried having crew sat inside manning the gun, but is basically impossible to assemble or rotate the
turret at all.  Even in real-life, it is difficult. We probably will have one crew sitting outside...

[Yaquir]

Great vehicle! And exact the right one for my Bolt action Westfeldzug army 

[H0ffmn]

It is a very good looking prototype indeed. The mesh over the top of the 222 turret though, most of the pictures that I've seen do not have the raised elongated d-shaped parts on top of the mesh that you show in your drawings and 3-D prototype. Will there be an option for the mesh screens over the 222 turret??

[Rubicon Models]

It is a very good looking prototype indeed. The mesh over the top of the 222 turret though, most of the pictures that I've seen do not have the raised elongated d-shaped parts on top of the mesh that you show in your drawings and 3-D prototype. Will there be an option for the mesh screens over the 222 turret??

The d-shape parts are the support stand to strengthen the mesh screens when they are opened.
This is on most of the mesh screens that we have came across.

[Swamprat33]

Hi, Ive been researching the 222 quite a biy as i am adding detail to a 1/6 Armortek model.

There are not that many clear period pix of wartime 222 from this ange and not that many that clearly show the tops of the screens.

The nearest i have found is on Jaque Littlefield's restored 222, and in this case the d sdhaped pieces look to be finer and are attached on both sides of the screen.
Having said that, i am always very wary of features on restored AFVs.

Please take a look at the excellent Panzer Tracts series, and in this case, the Leichter PanzerSpaehwagen book which covers all the series from 221 through to 261.
This book does not mention these d shaped parts on the screens at all.

I certainly think that at present they are too coarse and dont look right.

Cheers

Tim