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The North African Campaign 1940-43 - Updated 150903
« on: August 27, 2015, 05:00:52 pm »
Was doing some reading and research on the North African campaign 40-43 - UPDATED 150903.
 
Here are all the armoured vehicles that had taken part in the campaign (by country):

British
A9 Cruiser 40mm 12t
A10 Cruiser 40mm 14t
A13 Cruiser 40mm 18t
M2A2 37mm 10t
M3 Stuart 37mm 14t
M3 Grant 75mm 32t
M4A1 Sherman 75mm 33t
M4A2 Sherman 75mm 36t
M7 Priest 105mmH 28t SPH
Mk I Bishop 87.6mm (25pdr) 17.5t SPH
Mk II Matilda 40mm 28t
Mk III Valentine II 40mm 17t
Mk III Valentine IV 40mm 17t
Mk III Valentine IX 57mm 17t
Mk IV Churchill 57mm 39t
Mk VI Crusader I 40mm 19t
Mk VI Crusader II 40mm 19t
Mk VI Crusader III 57mm 20t
Universal Carrier MG 4t APC
Vickers Mk II MG 4t
Vickers Mk III MG 4t
Vickers Mk VI MG 6t
Marmon Herrington APC
Humber Light Reconnaissance Car
Humber APC
Daimler APC
Daimler Dingo Scout Car
Morris CS9

German
GwLrS 150mmH 9t SPH
PzJag (SdKfz 101) 47mm 8t TD
PzJag 38(t) 76.2mm 12t TD
PzJag 38(t)M Marten III 75mm 11t TD
PzKpfw I(B) Commander Mod MG 6t
PzKpfw I(B) MG 6t
PzKpfw II(C) 20mm 10t
PzKpfw II(F) 20mm 10t
PzKpfw III(F/G/H) 50mm 20t
PzKpfw III(J-L) 50mm 22t
PzKpfw III(N) 75mm 22t
PzKpfw IV(E) 75mm 22t
PzKpfw IV(F1) 75mm 22t
PzKpfw IV(F2) 75mm 24t
PzKpfw VI Tiger I(E) 88mm 55t
SdKfz 121 150mmH 12t SPH
SdKfz 250/1 MG 6t APC
SdKfz 250/10 37mm 6t APC
SdKfz 251/1 MG 8t APC
SdKfz 251/10 37mm 9t APC
StuG III 75mm 22t AG
SdKfz 250/3
SdKfz 250/5
SdKfz 251/3
SdKfz 252
SdKfz 253
SdKfz 254
SdKfz 221
SdKfz 222
SdKfz 223
SdKfz 231
SdKfz 263
SdKfz 233

American
M2 9t APC
M3 9t APC
M3 Lee 75mm 33t
M3 Stuart 37mm 14t
M3A1 Stuart 37mm 14t
M4 Sherman 75mm 33t
M4A1 Sherman 75mm 33t
M4A3 Sherman 75mm 36t
M5A1 37mm 17t
M7 Priest 105mmH 28t SPH
M10 76.2mm 31t TD
T15A1 twin 37mm 9t SPAA
T18 105mmH 10t SPH
M3 75mm GMC
T19 105mm HMC
T28E1 CGMC

Italian
Carro Veloce L3/33
Carro Veloce L3/35
Carro Armato L6/40
Carro Armato M11/39
Carro Armato M13/40
Carro Armato M14/41
Semovente da 47/32
Semovente da 75/18
Semovente da 90/53
Autoblinda 41 Armoured Car


Seems like we have already covered some of these, and with a good number of them in our scheduled p-list.  Will be an exciting 2016 to see some of these materialised.

Keep on working hard!!

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« Last Edit: September 03, 2015, 04:58:16 pm by Rubicon Models »

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Re: The North African Campaign 1940-43
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2015, 08:30:13 pm »
That's quite a list . A couple I think you missed : the 7.62 cm FK36 (r) auf Panzerjager Seilbstfahrlafette  Zugkraftwagon 5t (Sd Kfz 6 ) - which was a Russian 7,62 gun mounted in an armoured box on the back of a 5 ton halftrack , called Diana by the troops , 9 converted in late 41 . And the 15 cm slG33 auf Fahfgestell Panzerkampfwagen II (Sf) . A 15 cm gun mounted on a stretched ( 6 wheel ) Panzer II chassis , 12 built in late 41 , known as Bison in 1/35 model circles . ( you might have this covered by the Gwlrs 150 mm SPG on your list . Most  German stuff has 2 or 3 variations of names just to mess us modellers up - ie King and Royal Tiger are Brit and US designations , to Jerry it was just a Tiger II ) ::)

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Re: The North African Campaign 1940-43
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2015, 09:10:06 pm »
Beware the StuG, all you guys wanting to field lots of them with the DaK: there were four shipped to North Africa and one was dropped in the harbour and sunk while unloading.

So that leaves three, in a wierd special tropical model which didn't see action anywhere else  :-)

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Re: The North African Campaign 1940-43
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2015, 04:31:27 pm »
A few Panzer IV D were shipped to North Africa as part of the original deployment in 1941

The Germans also used field modifications a lot with a number of Sd.250 being up gunned with captured Hotchkiss 25mm Anti tank guns.

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Re: The North African Campaign 1940-43
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2015, 04:46:40 pm »
I'm also missing the Panzerjäger I with the 47mm: "4.7 cm PaK(t) (Sf) auf Panzerkampfwagen I ohne Turm"



According to Wikipedia 27 vehicles were in action during operation Crusader. They were also used in Barbarossa 1941-1942.

Edit: I now see that it's called "PzJag (SdKfz 101) 47mm 8t TD" in your list, my bad.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2015, 05:16:07 pm by Laffe »

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Re: The North African Campaign 1940-43
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2015, 12:41:22 am »
Some of those descriptions are a bit hard to decipher.  Here are some additions and corrections:

British

There were no M3A1 Grants - they were all based on the M3 (the M3A1 had a cast hull).

The British also used a few M3 Lees.

Plus the armoured cars and scout cars: Marmon Herrington Armoured Car (the most common type before Tunisia), Humber Light Reconnaissance Car (first used in Tunisia), Humber Armoured Car (these began arriving from late 1941), Daimler Armoured Car (present in small numbers from 1942) and Daimler Dingo Scout Car (present throughout).  Armoured cars were a crucial aspect of the North African campaign.

German

Dunno about the "PzJag 38(t)M Marten III 75mm 11t TD" - is this a reference to the SdKfz 138 Marder III Ausf H (Panzerjager 38(t) fur 7.5cm Pak 40/3)?  There is no evidence that any of these found their way to North Africa.

The "PzJag 38(t) 76.2mm 12t TD" is presumably the SdKfz 139 Marder III (Panzerjager 38(t) fur 7.62cm Pak 36(r)) - right?  66 of these went to North Africa in 1942, which actually makes them quite an important Afrika Korps vehicle.

23 15cm s.F.H. 13 (Sfl.) auf Lorraine Schlepper were shipped to North Africa in 1942.

The SdKfz 251/3 was also used.

There were also the armoured cars: SdKfz 221, SdKfz 222, SdKfz 231, SdKfz 232, SdKfz 263 and SdKfz 233.  These were iconic Afrika Korps vehicles.

US Army

The US Army didn't use the M4A2.  It used the M4 and M4A1 (and, later, after the North African campaign, the M4A3).

The US Army used both the M3 and M3A1 light tank.  They look similar, but the M3A1 didn't have a cupola.

The M10A1 wasn't used in North Africa, just the M10.

Other important vehicles used were:

M3 75mm GMC (75mm cannon mounted on M3 halftrack - an early tank destroyer, which proved largely unsuccessful)

T19 105mm HMC (105mm howitzer mounted on M3 halftrack - precursor to the M7)

T28E1 CGMC (anti-aircraft vehicle with 37mm automatic cannon plus a pair of .50 cal heavy machine guns - the most common AA tank, and reasonably effective)

And how about the Italians?
« Last Edit: September 23, 2015, 07:46:53 pm by Pinky »

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Re: The North African Campaign 1940-43
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2015, 04:55:29 am »
Another British armoured car in use in 1941 was the Morris CS9

Other German vehicles in use
Sd.223
Sd.250/5
Sd.252
Sd.253
Sd.254

« Last Edit: August 30, 2015, 05:00:51 am by Shark in Exile »

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Re: The North African Campaign 1940-43
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2015, 12:18:32 pm »
Thanks for all the update.  Will update the list accordingly.  We are doing some researching as to what is possible with vehicles in the North African campaign... sadly without the Italians yet!  But they are not excluded for too long!

Cheers!

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Re: The North African Campaign 1940-43
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2015, 01:06:33 pm »
I did some digging into Italian armour, as I think it might be worthwhile for Rubicon to consider an Italian vehicle or two in due course.  Here's my list of Italian armoured vehicles that saw service in the North African campaign.  One nice aspect of many Italian vehicles is that they also saw service with the Germans, and some were used on the Eastern Front.  So there are some cool modelling opportunities.

Italian vehicles have very prosaic designations; the prefix "L" means light, "M" means medium, the first number is the weight in tons, and the second number is the year of introduction into service.  For the Semovente, the number afterwards is the designation of the gun it mounts.

I edited this to include a few photos in the hope of generating some interest in the poor neglected Italians!

Carro Veloce L3/33 and L3/35 - a tankette which was largely useless in combat, but which was quite numerous in the early stages of the campaign.  An important variant (especially for wargamers) was the L3 Lf (lancia fiamme), which was armed with a flamethrower.
Carro Armato L6/40 - a light tank which was basically the Italian equivalent of the Panzer II.
Carro Armato M11/39 - Italy's first 'modern' medium tank, armed with a 37mm gun.  It was obsolete in 1941, but some captured examples were used by the Australians.
Carro Armato M13/40 - the most common Italian tank for most of the North African campaign.  Armed with a 47mm gun and fragile riveted armour, it was intended for combat in mountainous terrain, and proved to be underpowered and unreliable in the desert.  It's the most obvious choice of subject for an Italian tank kit (especially if it could also be built as a Semovente).
Carro Armato M14/41 medium tank - basically an upgraded M13/40, with slightly better armour and a more powerful engine (and potentially another obvious option for an M13/40 kit, as there aren't a lot of differences in external detail)
Semovente da 47/32 - an open-topped SP-gun based on the L6/40 chassis and armed with a 47mm gun.  It doesn't seem to have been used in North Africa, just on the Eastern Front and in Sicily (can anyone confirm this?).  Many of them were seized by the Germans after Italy collapsed, and put into service as the Sturmgeschütz L6 mit 47/32 630(i).  Some were also given to Germany's Eastern European allies, so it was quite a well-travelled little vehicle.
Semovente da 75/18 - an Italian copy of the StuG III, with a short-barrelled 75mm mounted on the M13/40 or M14/41 chassis.  Used by the Germans as the Sturmgeschütz M42 mit 75/18 850(i).  A later version, the 75/34, had a long-barrelled 75mm, but this saw service after the North African campaign.  This was also used by the Germans as the Sturmgeschütz M43 mit 75/34 851(i).  That version would also would make a nice option (aside from the longer gun, it had only some minor differences from the 75/18).
Semovente da 90/53 - an SP-gun with a powerful 90mm gun (actually a modified AA gun).  It almost looks like a proper tank hunter, despite having almost no armour protection for the crew and only 6 rounds of ammunition.  However it doesn't seem to have seen service before the Sicily campaign (can anyone confirm this?).
Autoblinda 41 Armoured Car - perhaps appropriately, the Italians built much better armoured cars than tanks.  This one was both good looking and effective.  It was also used by the Germans as the Panzerspähwagen AB41 20(i).

The Italians also used some rather interesting soft-skins, including the SPA-Viberti AS.42 Sahariana reconnaissance vehicle (based on the Autoblinda chassis but unarmored).
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Re: The North African Campaign 1940-43
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2015, 01:31:30 pm »
... sadly without the Italians yet!  But they are not excluded for too long!

You're obviously all still recovering from having do do all those bolt heads on the Crusader kit!  ;D

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Re: The North African Campaign 1940-43
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2015, 05:02:46 pm »
Great and very helpful list! Thank you for posting 8-)

Should become a Sticky shouldn't it??

Cheers

SP

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Re: The North African Campaign 1940-43
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2015, 09:21:41 pm »

Semovente da 90/53 - an SP-gun with a powerful 90mm gun (actually a modified AA gun).  It almost looks like a proper tank hunter, despite having almost no armour protection for the crew and only 6 rounds of ammunition.  However it doesn't seem to have seen service before the Sicily campaign (can anyone confirm this?).
The Semovente 90/53 was first used during the defence of Sicily with 24 in use.
They were first produced in 1942 but only 30 were produced that year. The Germans used them following the Italian armistice.
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Re: The North African Campaign 1940-43
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2015, 04:33:40 pm »
Thanks, Shark - that seems to be right.  Good to know someone read it!  Apparently these tank hunters proved rather ineffective in the more mountainous terrain in Italy.