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Re: M10/M36 Tank Destroyer
« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2015, 05:32:22 PM »
That's an incredible number of variants in one kit!  You even managed to squeeze in some good interior details on the turrets.
I see you kept that odd armour panel on the Achilles.  Seems a bit pointless.
This was being voted on by the studio staff... think is still okay to easily identify the TD is a British one, I think!


One construction point - the hatches on the M10 hull didn't open 'flat'; they opened at an angle, with the interior facing forwards.   
Great help on this... now looking into a possible solution!  Thanks!

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Re: M10/M36 Tank Destroyer
« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2015, 10:25:17 PM »
One more thing (sorry!), but the post-war version of the M36 had the M3A1 90mm gun, which had a fume extractor on the barrel as well as the single baffle muzzle brake (i.e. just like your original prototype).  So you need a whole new barrel for this version.  However, most of these upgraded vehicles also had the armoured cover on the turret.

Regarding nomenclature, the M10 wasn't known as a 'Wolverine' in US service; it was the British name.  It's usual to show the US and British names as alternatives (e.g. "M5A1/Stuart VI").  And the early production M10 had a different counterweight on the turret, so yours isn't the early production version. 

So your versions are:

M10/Wolverine (mid production)
M10/Wolverine (late production)
M10A1 (mid production) - these were all rebuilt as M36s, so there wasn't a late production version; as mentioned previously, the M10A1 didn't see active service so it's not really worth mentioning.
Achilles IIc - I'm assuming the Achilles parts only fit the late production turret, so there's no Achilles Ic.  Also, make sure that the Achilles is shown with an M10 hull, not an M10A1/M36 hull.
M36 (WW2 and postwar) - some sources say that only the M36B2 that was upgraded with the M3A1 90mm gun, but there are photos of South Korean M36s with this upgrade. 
M36B1
M36B2 (WW2 and post-war)

Here's the driver's hatch:
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Re: M10/M36 Tank Destroyer
« Reply #47 on: August 28, 2015, 12:19:22 AM »
One more thing (sorry!), but the post-war version of the M36 had the M3A1 90mm gun, which had a fume extractor on the barrel as well as the single baffle muzzle brake (i.e. just like your original prototype).  So you need a whole new barrel for this version.  However, most of these upgraded vehicles also had the armoured cover on the turret.
We have a separate gun barrel (with fume extractor) and the single baffle muzzle brake for the post-war version.  As for the armoured cover on the turret, to save sprue space, would rather had people kit bashing it... not a too difficult task at all.  A few small plasticards will do the job.

As for the nomenclature, will leave that to the last phase of the project.  Don't want to confuse our studio guys with so many names, as long as the final outcome sprues will cover all variants, that will be fine!

Think the driver hatch has been taken care of.  We are not aware of the correct position when we took the picture...




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Re: M10/M36 Tank Destroyer
« Reply #48 on: August 28, 2015, 12:21:24 AM »
Achilles IIc - I'm assuming the Achilles parts only fit the late production turret, so there's no Achilles Ic.  Also, make sure that the Achilles is shown with an M10 hull, not an M10A1/M36 hull.
It gun barrels are designed to fit both turrets, so should be able to do the Achilles Ic as well.

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Re: M10/M36 Tank Destroyer
« Reply #49 on: August 28, 2015, 08:24:37 AM »
We have a separate gun barrel (with fume extractor) and the single baffle muzzle brake for the post-war version.  As for the armoured cover on the turret, to save sprue space, would rather had people kit bashing it... not a too difficult task at all.  A few small plasticards will do the job.

That's good - just can't see it in the photos.

You could have included the armoured cover instead of that front armour panel, but it doesn't matter (the armoured cover is kind of ugly anyway).

The M10/M36 variants are very confusing, aren't they. 

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Re: M10/M36 Tank Destroyer
« Reply #50 on: August 28, 2015, 11:51:11 AM »
You could have included the armoured cover instead of that front armour panel, but it doesn't matter (the armoured cover is kind of ugly anyway).
The M10/M36 variants are very confusing, aren't they.
We have the cover drawn, but it bigger than the armour panel; plus it is post war...

...and the variants are indeed confusing because the changes are not gradual, complicated by field modifications!


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Re: M10/M36 Tank Destroyer
« Reply #51 on: September 28, 2015, 03:15:28 PM »
Finally some painted samples for the M10/M36 plastics!








































Enjoy!
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Re: M10/M36 Tank Destroyer
« Reply #52 on: September 29, 2015, 05:10:30 AM »
Excellent, something to scratch the paint work on my Tiger.

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Re: M10/M36 Tank Destroyer
« Reply #53 on: September 29, 2015, 11:51:45 AM »
Looking good!  I particularly like the M36. 

I imagine the instructions for this kit are going to be quite complicated, given the number of variants included.

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Re: M10/M36 Tank Destroyer
« Reply #54 on: September 29, 2015, 01:56:51 PM »
Nice. Looking forward to getting a Wittman killer  8)

Now, did the Achilles crews have tanker uniforms or regular infantry uniforms?

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Re: M10/M36 Tank Destroyer
« Reply #55 on: September 29, 2015, 02:53:21 PM »
Very nice!

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Re: M10/M36 Tank Destroyer
« Reply #56 on: September 30, 2015, 12:41:21 AM »
Nice. Looking forward to getting a Wittman killer  8)

Now, did the Achilles crews have tanker uniforms or regular infantry uniforms?

Tanker uniforms.  They often wore helmets, for obvious reasons - especially in Normandy where snipers were very prevalent.  The crews in two of these photos (the first of which I posted earlier) are wearing berets, however.  The commander in the third photo is wearing a helmet.
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Re: M10/M36 Tank Destroyer - Decal Sheet Design 151116
« Reply #57 on: November 16, 2015, 12:26:16 AM »
Here is the preliminary decal sheet for the M10/M36:

Seems like many of the M10/M36 don't have any vehicle numbers on them.  Just Allies Stars, division or platoon identifications, or a tank name here and there...


C&C welcome!
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Re: M10/M36 Tank Destroyer - Decal Sheet Design 151116
« Reply #58 on: November 16, 2015, 01:12:52 AM »
Serial numbers do seem to be relatively uncommon on US Army M10s and M36s.  They were more common on the M36 than the M10, from what I can see.  The serial number was normally positioned on the hull side near the front. 

You probably don't need 4 of the tank destroyer battalion insignia (i.e. the black panther head) - 2 will do.

You've actually got two different (incomplete) sets of French unit markings there - the 'Cross of Lorraine' appeared vehicles of the Regiment blindes de Fusiliers Marins (all former French Navy personnel), while the 5th Armoured Division used the big white diamond on French colours.  French vehicles  had their own fancy serial number as well, painted in white on a black rectangle with the French flag on the left side.  This appeared on the front and rear.
 
Nice to see you've included the British registration numbers (with the 's' prefix, signifying a self-propelled gun).  The '51' in a red square wouldn't appear on a British M10 or Achilles - they were crewed by the Royal Artillery, which used a red over blue square (like the one with a '77' on it that you've provided, which is correct).

These vehicles were widely used by the anti-tank regiments of the British infantry divisions as well, so maybe include a few infantry division formation signs?  For the infantry, the regimental sign was also a red over blue square, but with a '46' inside.  The RA had very complicated additional markings, so maybe don't try and cover all of them.

If you need some space, you could ditch the stars with yellow circles (as they were only used for a short time) and the US armoured division patch (since, as previously discussed, this almost never appeared on vehicles)...
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Re: M10/M36 Tank Destroyer - Decal Sheet Design 151116
« Reply #59 on: November 16, 2015, 05:03:40 PM »
Very nice  :)