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Jimmy_P

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SdKfz 10 Halftrack
« on: October 09, 2017, 06:39:23 pm »

The SdKfz 10 was one of the most widely produced German vehicles of the war (14,000 odd) and formed the base of the 250 halftrack. There is only one manufacturer of a (resin) kit in 1/56, which still surprises me - it has a wide range of uses as a tow throughout the whole of the war and a number of interesting variants that could be modelled. Including of course the 10/4 and 5 AA which are likely to be of particular interest from a wargaming perspective.

I'd certainly pick up more than a few of them, for a number of different uses, and it seems like a particular gap in the market which Rubicon could fill - would go nicely with the range of AT and AA guns in progress too.

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Re: SdKfz 10 Halftrack
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2017, 07:54:25 pm »
Agreed. A vehicle produced in large numbers that would find a place in any German army of WWII.

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Re: SdKfz 10 Halftrack
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2017, 07:19:26 am »
I have been looking for this very thing in 1/56 and have not yet stumbled upon the single resin kit you mentioned. Who makes it?

This vehicle is far more interesting to me than the ever-present Sd.Kfz 7. Yes, those 88's need to be towed by something, but how often do those show up in games anyway?  And when they do, are they usually parked way in the back along a table edge (given their range).  Do we need to have their transport handy?  It's not likely to be hitched up to the gun to move and reposition the thing, is it?

Whereas the Sd.Kfz 10 towed all sorts of early and mid-war weaponry, and would be far more likely to show up on a tabletop, probably actually towing the weapon itself.

What was the standard tow for the Pak 36 37mm ATG?  Yep, The Sd.Kfz 10
Didd it tow the Pak 38 50mm ATG? Yes indeed.  And the ammo trailers as well.
How about the 20mm Flak 38 AA? Yes
Nebelwerfer 41? Yepper
Maybe the LeIG 18 75mm Artillery piece.

Not to mention the 10/1, 10/2, 10/3, 10/4 and 10/5 variants.

So yes, three cheers for the Sd.Kfz 10!!!


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Re: SdKfz 10 Halftrack
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2017, 01:32:14 pm »
I'm with you EWG. Although I think the Sd.Kfz.7 is an interesting vehicle and deserves inclusion by Rubicon it, and many other vehicles, don't really belong in the front line. I sometimes think they should be on a secondary table where they are only likely to be in danger from enemy artillery and tactical aircraft. At 1/56 scale they really shouldn't be mixing it with the opposing infantry and therefore on the primary gaming table unless broken down! 

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Re: SdKfz 10 Halftrack
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2017, 04:10:28 pm »
Army Group North has a resin sdkfz 10 and sdkfz 10/5

Jimmy_P

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Re: SdKfz 10 Halftrack
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2017, 12:43:47 am »

Yeah, exactly EWG! And it could be used throughout the whole length of the war really.

Johan beat me to it, AGN make one. I've got their 10/4 and it's not a bad model, I would have liked to get a couple of the standard 10s as tows too but the exchange rate kills that idea now (they're a Canadian company).

Hopefully Rubicon will add to their list!  ;D

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Re: SdKfz 10 Halftrack
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2017, 05:52:06 am »
Several of these vehicles are still being collected and showed at e.g the Militracks show in Overloon (NL)
https://f.jwwb.nl/public/7/7/8/foto-albert-overloon/w9e0bc/Militracks5.jpg

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Re: SdKfz 10 Halftrack
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2018, 02:14:16 am »
Agreed. A vehicle produced in large numbers that would find a place in any German army of WWII.

I am with you here.
Apart from its large actual numbers, it also is the cheapest half-track option in BA (for units), so chances are it will be bought for sheer gaming purpose, too.

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Re: SdKfz 10 Halftrack
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2018, 06:32:31 pm »
Yes, it is surprising that we can't get a good Sdkfz 10 in a plastic kit. Especially since it was a commonly used vehicle.

From a wargaming point of view, the Sdkfz 10 would be a common sight in any German Army miniature collection because it was used from 1938 to 1945. It was mostly used as a common transport and tow, but there a few interesting variants of the Sdkfz 10 as well as a few field modifications like those that were fitted with a 37mm PaK 36 or a 50mm PaK 38 anti-tank gun. Rubicon Models already has a Pak 36 plastic kit, so it would be easy to make that field modification if only we had a Rubicon Models Sdkfz 10. More importantly, it would be nice to just have the Sdkfz 10 as a common transport or tow.

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Re: SdKfz 10 Halftrack
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2018, 06:53:09 pm »
Are there any parts compatibility with the 250 Half-track?

Are they something that could be a joint product with some nebelwerfers?

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Re: SdKfz 10 Halftrack
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2018, 11:22:07 pm »
IRC the 10 is a 250 frame lengthened with an extra road wheel ( 6 instead of 5 ) so all the kit track / wheel sets won't work . So I guess there's not much to reuse , but at least Rubicon has the wheel design in CAD somewhere , so that should save them some time  , unless , like every other German half track , the stamped wheel pattern was unique to the 250 and not reused on other models  ::)

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Re: SdKfz 10 Halftrack
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2018, 02:24:42 am »
Looking forward to this model.

ripley

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Re: SdKfz 10 Halftrack
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2019, 08:25:40 am »
Thought I would refresh this thread as the interest in a SdKFz 10 seems to be picking up again .  Here's a multi view drawing of the 10 for those who don't know what it looks like ( plain jane troop transport / tow vehicle )

The 10-2 and 10-3 were chemical vehicles that got phased out and reworked



                                                                With the addition of a 20mm Flak 30 they became the 10-4


Here's a diagram of the various weapons the 10-1 could haul. Rubicon already has most of these out or soon to be released in plastic ( the Nebelwerfer in resin I think )

                                                                   I do have a pile of pictures saved of various weapons both towed or mounted on the 10 , but I'll save those for another day  :D
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Re: SdKfz 10 Halftrack
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2019, 11:13:43 pm »
I know that the SdKfz 10 Halftrack was commonly used to tow the PaK36, the PaK38, and the PaK40, and it could tow the PaK41 or PaK43, but was it commonly used to tow the PaK41 and PaK43 AT-guns?

ripley

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Re: SdKfz 10 Halftrack
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2019, 12:45:47 am »
88mm Pak 41 weights 9600 pounds , the 88mm Pak 43 weights 13000 ( on its wheeled carriage ) . A SdKfz 6 can tow 11000 and a SdKfz 7 can tow 17,500.  I think that the larger 8 ( tow 31,000 ) and 9 ( tow 39.500 ) would be a waste of a heavy tractor.
SdKfz 6

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