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Rubicon Models => Wish Lists => Topic started by: Rubicon Models on June 28, 2019, 02:08:12 am
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We have two polls that we would like to do based on our Wish List* over the past five years, but first thing first...
Which British tank you would like us to do next... and why?
After this, we will do our second poll... Looking forward for some replies and comments!
* We do really do kept a Wish List somewhere in the studio!
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Valentine . Not sure which marks used used in desert ( at work , shhh ) with sand skirts and fender mounted spare fuel tank , 2 pdr gun , iconic desert tank . This version also sent to Russia in the lend lease program . There was also a version with 6 pdr gun ( same turret ? ) and late in the war a version with a 75mm gun and redesigned turret used as command vehicles in SP gun units . So with a little for thought a multi version kit might be possible as I believe the hull was the pretty much the same for all versions ( note Canada made some with cast nose { about 1400 IRC } , but all sent to Russia ). If you design the kit so all lower hull . wheels and track are on one sprue you might be able to use it in a Archer or Bishop kit by adding a new upper body , and gun turret / mount sprue
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Yes, I would back the Valentine. Probably the most used British tank (in terms of countries), with a good number of theatres (only missing out on France 1940)*.
The Bishop would be good as a resin variant using the plastic hull. The Archer could be combined with a seventeen pounder project, but in plastic.
* - Assuming we live with the Warlord Matilda.
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Another vote for the Valentine
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I would be happy with:
Valentine Mk II onwards. The Mk I never saw combat. All models from Mk II on saw service somewhere.
Cruiser A13, all marks.
Assuming that Rubicon is not interested in getting into the Matilda "space" at this time. And I don't think they should.
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Warlord has the Matilda covered . I've been given the plastic kit and its not too bad at all , covering the BEF , desert and lend lease version . It could use some variations in the nose bin covers , tow shackles , maybe the other 2pdr barrel type ,and also Aussie Frog modifications . Nothing a good model builder couldn't kit bash if he wanted to have that version . Nothing really to warrant a full redesign and release by another company IMO .
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@Ripley - that is what I thought, even though I have not got one (or more) yet.
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A plastic Comet would be fantastic.
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I'll add my support to the Valentine, please include what's needed for the lend lease versions!
But as a Bolt Action player, to be blunt I'd rather see a Humber, Daimler, or Staghound armoured car before any new british tanks.
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Thanks for the input... we will do some research on the Valentine to see which variant(s) can be included in a single kit.
What's your view on which Valentine variant(s) you want us to do?
After the weekend, we will announce a new British tank project (NOT RELATED TO THIS POST) for our "New Project of the Month"... stay tuned! ;)
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Here is our second poll...
Besides the Valentine, if we were to do a Churchill, which variant(s) would you like to see and why?
Of course, these variants had to be consistent in terms of hull features with no major design changes. The turret can be different. We had some ideas, but would like to hear from you guys for more comments.
We might have a third poll later! ;)
Reference Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill_tank
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Well, Churchill III, IV, V and VI all had riveted hulls. Starting with the VII they went to welded. I assume that is enough of a change to mean you can either do the riveted hull variants, or the welded hull variants, but that would be two separate kits.
Churchill I and II looked significantly different from the models that followed. Tracks were not fully covered, and the turret was smaller.
Starting with the III the turret size and shape changed significantly.
Starting with VII, the turret size and shape changed again
So just based on this, I could see possibly three kits:
Mk I and II (2 pdr armament) - Saw little front-line service. Dieppe comes to mind.
(@ 1,350 produced)
Mk II, IV, V and VI (6 pdr and infantry support howitzer) - Main versions of the Churchill, saw service in Africa, Italy, Russia and Normandy
(@ 2,750 produced)
Mk VII and VIII (QF 75) - Known as the Heavy Churchill (2 tons heavier). Late-war version, saw action in Normandy and Italy
(@ 1,600 produced)
So the second option looks to me to be the best bet for a multi-version kit that will have different turrets/weapon, and greater fielding opportunities.
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Why not just announce you are producing a Churchill kit to compete with the Italeri kit which has existed for several years?
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Why not just announce you are producing a Churchill kit to compete with the Italeri kit which has existed for several years?
We have no intention to compete with other companies. We are just exploring different options for our next batch of future BRITISH releases. This is why we post this as a POLL to ask for feedback.
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On the subject of the Churchill tank, I would like an A22F Churchill VII.
That would not be in direct competition with the Warlord/Italeri version and would give you a proper Crocodile and according to the family tree in the Wikipedia article an AVRE option.
I can see that as that version was not delivered to the Soviets, that is one market that is not present for that version.
Crocodiles were deployed to Korea, so would tie in with the new Bolt Action supplement.
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Thanks for the input... we will do some research on the Valentine to see which variant(s) can be included in a single kit.
What's your view on which Valentine variant(s) you want us to do?
Right, so where is my copy of the relevant NVG and the Bradford drawings book?
After the weekend, we will announce a new British tank project (NOT RELATED TO THIS POST) for our "New Project of the Month"... stay tuned! ;)
MkIV light ^___^
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All WW2 AVREs were either III or IV , IRC the VII version was post war . But I do think that a VII gun tank and Croc is the way to go if Rubicon want to release a Churchill . Despite its faults , the Warlord kit does build up nicely and covers the III / IV , the NA 75 . And while gives you the Petard you have to design and build your own AVRE hull mounts . I wonder if Rubicon would consider designing resin / plastic addons for other companies kits , much like Black Dog or Accurate Armor do in 1/48 & 1/35 scale ?
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Which British tank you would like us to do next... and why?
I was going to say the Matilda II, but Warlord Games has recently released the Matilda II in plastic, so it would be better to do something new not already available in plastic kit form.
How about the M3 Grant? Yes, I know its not a British designed and built tank, but it was used by the British. Better yet it can be a duel kit - M3 Grant/Lee (British/American).
If it has to be a British designed and built tank, why not the Valentine – for those that need them.
Does it have to be a tank? Why not a British armored car – one of the most common types.
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Valentine for me too, please :)
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All WW2 AVREs were either III or IV , IRC the VII version was post war . But I do think that a VII gun tank and Croc is the way to go if Rubicon want to release a Churchill . Despite its faults , the Warlord kit does build up nicely and covers the III / IV , the NA 75 . And while gives you the Petard you have to design and build your own AVRE hull mounts . I wonder if Rubicon would consider designing resin / plastic addons for other companies kits , much like Black Dog or Accurate Armor do in 1/48 & 1/35 scale ?
That is what I thought (based on previous reading), the family tree in Wikipedia is a recent arrival.
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If the Grant is an option, even though it wasn't British made, I'd rather have that over a Valentine
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The British were offered the Lee in the Lend Lease program , but they wanted something more in keeping with their doctrine ( radio in turret ) , so they had the Grant turret designed . And since it was designed specially for the Brits(, not used by the Yanks) , I would call the Grant a British tank. IRC the Grant was a cash sale item as it had to be produced as opposed to the Lee which was "in stock " as it were . The whole Lend Lease program story makes some interesting reading
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I'll add my support to EWG's suggestions of Valentine and Cruiser A13.
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The British were offered the Lee in the Lend Lease program , but they wanted something more in keeping with their doctrine ( radio in turret ) , so they had the Grant turret designed . And since it was designed specially for the Brits(, not used by the Yanks) , I would call the Grant a British tank.
M3 Medium tank:
That is a very good point. The M3 Grant was used only by the British while the M3 Lee was used by the Americans, Soviets, French, and a few other countries. But what most gamers do not know is that the M3 Lee was also used (in limited numbers) by British as well. On top of that, the M3 Medium tank (aka Lee/Grant) was used in a wide variety of theaters - North African, Eastern Europe, Pacific, Burma, Western Europe (to just name a few) - making it a desirable model kit to many gamers and modellers alike.
Valentine tank:
The British designed and built a variety of tanks just before and during WW2. Some of these tanks were only made in limited numbers, but a few saw large production runs. The Valentine was one of those tanks that were made in large numbers. But more importantly, it was used in multiple theaters. Also, for those asking for post war tanks will know that it was used in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and the Cyprus crisis (1963–64).
Why not just go for it:
If Rubicon Models has the time and resources, it would be fantastic idea for them to release both a Valentine kit and an M3 Lee/Grant kit. Bot these kits would find a good market in the gaming community as well as for modellers. And the best part of the idea is that no one else offers the Valentine and M3 Lee/Grant in plastic kit form.
How fantastic would that be!! Rubicon Models releasing both a Valentine and M3 Lee/Grant kit. :)
RM had asked, "Which British tank you would like us to do next... and why?"
Hopefully the above response helps with the which and why.
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Thanks all for the feedback. We are working on several British vehicles as we speak, some in the planning or drawing stage and one is almost done!
One of the reasons we want a poll here is to make sure we are not too far away from the expectations of forum members.
On a side note, we still have not done anything with the Churchill yet mainly because of priority issue. It will be on our to-do list until we have the time to start the project.
Thanks again!
;)
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I thought that the M3 medium was already on the design list, with our Gracious Hosts having started with the bogie design.
I am sure the British used an SDKFZ 10 as well ^___^.
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As for Valentine variants, a Bridge Layer with a deployable bridge would be a most excellent addition!
The British tank I would most like however would be one with a combo turret option if possible of a Cromwell/Challenger. A troop of 4 (3 Cromwell + 1 Challenger) would be perfect for the 1st Polish Armoured Division.
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As for Valentine variants, a Bridge Layer with a deployable bridge would be a most excellent addition!
The British tank I would most like however would be one with a combo turret option if possible of a Cromwell/Challenger. A troop of 4 (3 Cromwell + 1 Challenger) would be perfect for the 1st Polish Armoured Division.
The A30 Challenger has a stretched Cromwell hull (with an extra roadwheel).
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Tanks_and_Afvs_of_the_British_Army_1939-45_KID906.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Memorial_To_7th_Armoured_Division_Desert_Rats_-_geograph.org.uk_-_299386.jpg)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruiser_Mk_VIII_Challenger (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruiser_Mk_VIII_Challenger)
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The A30 Challenger has a stretched Cromwell hull (with an extra roadwheel).
Ah well then, the Challenger would be my first preference to fill the market gap.
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How about Rubicon expand on a tank they already have ? Here's 3 vehicles based on the Crusader hull .
(https://i.postimg.cc/4nvydkKN/Crusader-AA-II.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4nvydkKN)
(https://i.postimg.cc/ppqdffYw/Crusader-ARV.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ppqdffYw)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NLvkyH48/Crusader-Artillery-Tractor.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NLvkyH48)
If Rubicon decide to release a 17 Pdr than the Tractor kit should be a given . If they release a 40mm Bofors than the AA turret could be released as an expansion kit . The ARV parts could be released as a plastic blister pack
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Good idea Ripley.
The Bofors turret would make a great plastic kit, the tractor a resin add on.
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+1 on Ripley's idea. Not sure whether there's a Centaur variant possible on a basic Crusader hull also or whether that's not viable, given the vehicle differences.
Sorry to say I don't think the answer to your question is a Comet, although doubtless that choice will have some fans. A Lee/Grant, Churchill, Matilda or Cromwell all better in my view. I accept there are some plastics of some of these other vehicles out there but I think we've got to the point where we simply expect the Rubicon version to be better than the competition and you do not disappoint ;D
EC
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Sorry to say I don't think the answer to your question is a Comet, although doubtless that choice will have some fans.
EC
The Comet is old news, as it is off and running.
(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/A34%20Comet/A34%20Comet%20190626-01_zps97m9ok9b.jpg)
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=874.0 (http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=874.0)
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yes, indeed UVS, I knew about it, hence apology for being negative. sloppy phrasing on my part ...
EC
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Thanks for the input... we will do some research on the Valentine to see which variant(s) can be included in a single kit.
What's your view on which Valentine variant(s) you want us to do?
I'd like to address this. I think the kit should include parts for a Mark II and/or Mark III (with sand shields, fuel tank etc), and a Mark IX. This would give you a common Desert War version and a (useful) version used by the Red Army. It might also be possible to squeeze in the parts for a Bishop (it's a horrible looking vehicle and a mediocre SP gun, but it would be a nice option to include). Once the chassis is done, you could also do the Archer, which would (I suspect) be reasonably popular.
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How about Rubicon expand on a tank they already have ? Here's 3 vehicles based on the Crusader hull .
(https://i.postimg.cc/4nvydkKN/Crusader-AA-II.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4nvydkKN)
(https://i.postimg.cc/ppqdffYw/Crusader-ARV.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ppqdffYw)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NLvkyH48/Crusader-Artillery-Tractor.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NLvkyH48)
If Rubicon decide to release a 17 Pdr than the Tractor kit should be a given . If they release a 40mm Bofors than the AA turret could be released as an expansion kit . The ARV parts could be released as a plastic blister pack
I'm having a fat kid on cake moment! yes, yes and thrice yes. these would be great!
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All your new plans and new kits Rubicon Models are great, and thank you for them.
I only wanted to point out that there is very little if any 1/56 plastic armoured cars and we need them :)
I've seen you are already working on Staghound, and that's fantastic!
AEC, Humber, Daimler, Daimler Dingo would be great addition also.
From Tanks department I miss Grant/Lee very much.
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From Tanks department I miss Grant/Lee very much.
You are not alone.