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Rubicon Models => Work In Progress => Topic started by: Rubicon Models on October 03, 2015, 07:43:34 pm
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Upcoming "Allied Stowage Kit 1"...
This is an improvement over our previous "German Stowage Kit 1" with more "creative" items!
Depending on how many can be fitted on a single sprue, most of these items will be included. You will get TWO of these per pack... we are talking about VALUE pack!!!
In this lot, you will find quite a few unusual items, can you name them?
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/Allied%20Stowage%20151003-1_zpslqv0d7wq.jpg)
Enjoy!
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That's a very good selection of gear. There are few items of soft stowage that are (I think) of dubious value. Is it too late to make changes?
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That's a very good selection of gear. There are few items of soft stowage that are (I think) of dubious value. Is it too late to make changes?
These are just prototypes... our mould making queue is full right now! Don't think will fit all in a single sprue anyway!
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Looks good . As a modeler I would rather have more spare track / road wheels and separate mg ammo and wooden boxes than molded stacks of boxes and packs / tarps . What happens is, if you have a lot of models to add stuff to , the piles of spare gear all look the same . Look at Warlords resin Sherman DD .Why would you want 2 or 3 kits all looking like that ? Check out the movie , Fury , every Sherman has the same type of gear but each crew has loaded on their tank in their own way , looks much more "real " than the same 3 box / 2 jerry can molded piece on the rear of each tank . Individual pieces make it a lot easier to customize each vehicle .
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Ripley, you will get two sprues per kit (at least that's the plan). The stacked gear are for those who wanted it "quick and dirty", plus you can "add" to it. Furthermore you can rotate the stack to give it a different look from a different angle. It is much easier for customers to load their truck with gear too!
If sales for both German and Allied stowage kits are good, we will release a 2nd stowage kit for both sometime next year again with a different set of items on them!
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I'm actually fine with the large stack of crates - it's mostly going to end up as truck cargo, or as some kind of terrain. I'm also fine with the ammo boxes moulded in rows. I'm less keen on the smaller stack of boxes, as most of the detail is hidden under the tarp. I agree with Ripley that more spare track would be good - you can never have too much of that! And Allied tanks in NW Europe carried a lot of spare tracks.
A few other suggestions:
- I'd suggest that instead of the later British oil cans (the 2 square cans next to the jerrycans) you included more typical British 'flimsies'. See the comparison photo below. This shows a 2 gallon can, a 4 gallon tin (non-returnable), aka 'flimsy', a 4 gallon returnable can (the BEF used these as well as flimsies) and a jerrycan for comparison.
- I'm not sure if it's the photo, but the large US infantry pack (the one with 2 pockets) looks too big. There are also too many of them - they wouldn't normally appear on a tank. Generally speaking, the smaller 'generic' packs are much more useful.
- by the same token, the arrangement of 2 packs under a blanket roll is a bit big, and will be hard to position on most tanks.
- the 2 bags on the right are of pretty marginal value. As is the duffel bag (the one with the strap). Trust me - I've added a lot of stowage to Allied vehicles! What is missing is some bedrolls - these were very common on US and British tanks, and would be much more useful.
- any chance of some spare T-34 track? Preferably in fairly short sections. It's not likely you'll do a Soviet accessory set in a hurry...
- how about a funnel? British crews often carried a large square funnel for refuelling - see the 2nd photo below.
- most importantly, how about a British blanket box? See the 3rd photo below for the types fitted to Shermans.
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Thanks for the input, Pinky. Will look into that after Spiel.
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If there's room on the sprue , please add tow cable ends like you did on the German Stowage kit . :)
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If there's room on the sprue , please add tow cable ends like you did on the German Stowage kit . :)
There are 4 tow cable ends per sprue... not shown!
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Very nice!
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There are a number of great items there. Individual back packs are useful, building them from scratch is time consuming and requires a great deal of skill. Making bedrolls and tarpaulins from greenstuff is easier than trying to make premade items fit. It also allows you to bed the other items in.
Pinky's suggestions get a thumbs up from me, they would be great for your only British usable model (the Crusader). Additional tools, shovels, picks etc. would be useful, some vehicle crews reportedly bundled their tools in their kit to stop pilferage (and replace moulded in place items).
I would suggest the stacks, with or without tarpaulins might be better as loads and possibly either as resins or a separate set.
I suspect the US infantry back packs are for the M3 rather than the tanks, but would be redundant for me.
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Making bedrolls and tarpaulins from greenstuff is easier than trying to make premade items fit. It also allows you to bed the other items in.
...except for those of us who are too lazy and prefer to modify something from a kit!
I suspect the US infantry back packs are for the M3 rather than the tanks, but would be redundant for me.
And for the forthcoming US truck kit. But I think it's a case of too much of a good thing...
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You get twice as many US rucksacks than what you need in most US infantry packs anyway
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More single Commonwealth backpacks would be helpful as well, no Commonwealth infantry kit I have found includes enough for vehicle stowage as well.
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Yep, second that. With you having released the crusader we need kit to put on it since the practice of crews in the desert were to have an escape kit with water and similar on the outside of the tank in case they had to bail out.
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I too , would like to see more British style packs in this kit . But since most Allied releases are of US type vehicles at this time , barring the T-34s and Crusader , it seems logical to have more US style kit . Maybe Rubicon can add British packs to their next Brit vehicle :)
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Given how many US vehicles they do, maybe Rubicon could just do a US stowage set, and deal with the Brits later. It's basically that already. It should still have some bedrolls though.
I've also noticed that the jerrycans aren't quite right. See my comments in the 'Spiel' thread.
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I don't see the preponderance of US types as an issue in regard of the packs. Both the UK and Russia received huge quantities of US kit through Lend Lease, so non US packs are not exactly going to be rare on US built vehicles.
Also don't forget that I'm sure the Axis forces would have utilised abandoned Allied packs, etc from time to time, I know it went the other way.
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I don't see the preponderance of US types as an issue in regard of the packs. Both the UK and Russia received huge quantities of US kit through Lend Lease, so non US packs are not exactly going to be rare on US built vehicles.
Sure, but the British had their own distinctive types of pack, and you can see the differences in photos. British tanks were stowed differently to US tanks - for instance, the Brits liked to weld empty ammo boxes (German as well as British types) onto their tanks, and also had a number of different 'standard' stowage boxes. They were also big on adding brackets to hold stowage. I think it's fair to say that US tankers tended to be sloppier with their stowage (leading to disapproving remarks about 'gypsy caravans').
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All the British packs I had , used to collect in my youth , have a distinct , IMO , square look to them . American packs have more slightly rounded corners and loops for attaching stuff . Its really not a deal breaker in this scale but some of us, like kit to look as accurate as possible ::), Yes the gas cans do need some TLC to get them looking right , 3 bar handles would be a start . Personally I use Tamiya 48 scale cans , so I'll just pass mine on to others who don't care about the lack of handles
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Here's a 1/6 scale replica of a British backpack (note the distinctive bedroll under the flap).
I'm not worried about the handles on the jerrycans; I think the single handle is an acceptable simplification. Tamiya's 1/48 scale jerrycans are very nice, but look far too big on 1/56 scale vehicles (even allowing for the upsizing that goes on in this scale).
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Hey, Rubicon - when is the anticipated release date for this set?
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Hey, Rubicon - when is the anticipated release date for this set?
We are still refining the selection list. Hopefully Q1/16.
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This will all come in handy...especially the spare sherman type tracks !
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Here is a preview of what is to come...
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/Allied%20Stowage%20Kit%20Preview%20160108-1_zpslikbeiz5.jpg)
Enjoy!
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That's a very nice tuck stowage piece. It would be easy to carve off the rope etc to make slightly different pieces.
More please!
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More please!
To all our fanboys out there... Fresh from the factory, our first TS1 plastic. Will paint them up soon!
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/Allied%20Stowage%20TS1%20160110-01_zpsx9jxsffs.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/Allied%20Stowage%20TS1%20160110-02_zps0woqb8d4.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/Allied%20Stowage%20TS1%20160110-03_zpscmqdptvi.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/Allied%20Stowage%20TS1%20160110-04_zpsuyrn60vc.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/Allied%20Stowage%20TS1%20160110-05_zpsepnsc2ey.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/Allied%20Stowage%20TS1%20160110-06_zpsw6vdzq4y.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/Allied%20Stowage%20TS1%20160110-07_zpsrh9tdvsk.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/Allied%20Stowage%20TS1%20160110-08_zpsx7trzoqy.jpg)
Enjoy!
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Very nice, including the funnel.
Lots of smaller items which are easier to fit on tanks.
Question, how many boxes of sprues will be required for the spare track for one Polish Sherman? ^_____^.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease_Sherman_tanks#Poland
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Question, how many boxes of sprues will be required for the spare track for one Polish Sherman? ^_____^.
Be patient and you will get what you wanted later this year... ;D
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Wow - first impression is that is an awesome collection of bits!
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Okay, one question. The US-style jerrycan is there - it's the one pictured below. What is the other type that's been included on the sprue? Are they meant to be captured German types? Personally, I'd prefer more of the US type, although I know captured German jerrycans were widely used.
Great to see a British stowage box and funnel included.
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Okay, one question. The US-style jerrycan is there - it's the one pictured below. What is the other type that's been included on the sprue? Are they meant to be captured German types? Personally, I'd prefer more of the US type, although I know captured German jerrycans were widely used.
Great to see a British stowage box and funnel included.
That's the British version... basically similar to the German counterpart.
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Okay, one question. The US-style jerrycan is there - it's the one pictured below. What is the other type that's been included on the sprue? Are they meant to be captured German types? Personally, I'd prefer more of the US type, although I know captured German jerrycans were widely used.
Great to see a British stowage box and funnel included.
That's the British version... basically similar to the German counterpart.
There is a display of them at the IWM, I will see if I can find the picture.
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Okay, one question. The US-style jerrycan is there - it's the one pictured below. What is the other type that's been included on the sprue? Are they meant to be captured German types? Personally, I'd prefer more of the US type, although I know captured German jerrycans were widely used.
Great to see a British stowage box and funnel included.
That's the British version... basically similar to the German counterpart.
Okay, while I search my photographs, have a look at this IWM picture:
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205202769
Worker checking a jerry can is watertight somewhere in Britain, with the distinctive German pattern tanks in the background.
Do the British cans on the sprue have the distinctive War department logo?
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205202770
The logo looks like it appears on one side only if you look on the first photograph the next one to be tested looks like it has the logo,.
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Thanks - I didn't know that the British simply copied the German version (but preferred to use captured ones instead of their own). I found this article here after clicking on Ultravanillasmurf's link: http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2012/08/the-amazing-jerry-can/
Well that was my only question about this set. I think it looks brilliant - I'll buy a ton of them!
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Do the British cans on the sprue have the distinctive War department logo?
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205202770
The logo looks like it appears on one side only if you look on the first photograph the next one to be tested looks like it has the logo,.
At the present time, no... but we can see if our mould maker will have time to add it! ;)
Follow Up Action
- had looked into the 3D file - the lettering W^D (if scaled correctly) is less than 1mm in height. Will be too small for tooling; needless to say for the rest of the smaller lettering.
- one possible solution is waterslide decals, but will also be very small to apply.
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Thanks - I didn't know that the British simply copied the German version (but preferred to use captured ones instead of their own). I found this article here after clicking on Ultravanillasmurf's link: http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2012/08/the-amazing-jerry-can/
Well that was my only question about this set. I think it looks brilliant - I'll buy a ton of them!
Interesting link.
The Flimsies look like the ones in the LRDG Chevy at the IWM, found in the desert I think in the seventies. I have some pictures, in the same place as the jerry can pictures I have not found.
An LRDG Chevy would make a nice vehicle as well, I am not sure if there was a Chevy Portee SPG.
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- had looked into the 3D file - the lettering W^D (if scaled correctly) is less than 1mm in height. Will be too small for tooling; needless to say for the rest of the smaller lettering.
- one possible solution is waterslide decals, but will also be very small to apply.
Once you get down to that level of detail, you'd also be looking at providing separate handles and filler caps. I think what you've done is fine.
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Another question - are the wooden boxes generic, or based on specific types? The smaller one looks like it's about the same dimensions as a Soviet 76.2mm ammo box. The long one looks similar to one of the boxes in the German set, but could be a US 90mm ammo box. And the other one looks similar to the wooden ration box that came with the Tamiya M4A3 Sherman kit.
Would it be too hard/expensive to provide a sheet of cardboard marked up to make C-ration cartons?
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Rather late, here is the picture, the WD one is the snazzily red painted one on the left.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2fjRFrpIGFE/VpPrYiAjJzI/AAAAAAAABO8/4eHlAdectXM/s1600/IMG_8589.JPG)
At less than 1mm, you are right they are too small.
The triple handle might be an idea on the racked cans as they are moulded from the top and bottom.
Oh, and on the subject of ammo boxes, I saw these at Duxford (no idea if they are real).
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HID-9fXf35Q/VpPuKdZOG9I/AAAAAAAABPY/c6JG0SZT6Rw/s1600/IMG_8890.JPG).
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Would it be too hard/expensive to provide a sheet of cardboard marked up to make C-ration cartons?
Due to my ineptness, I would be happier with moulded boxes and a decal set ^___^.
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Another question - are the wooden boxes generic, or based on specific types? The smaller one looks like it's about the same dimensions as a Soviet 76.2mm ammo box. The long one looks similar to one of the boxes in the German set, but could be a US 90mm ammo box. And the other one looks similar to the wooden ration box that came with the Tamiya M4A3 Sherman kit.
Will need to ask the person who handle this project. Think these are based on reference photos on US supplies.
Would it be too hard/expensive to provide a sheet of cardboard marked up to make C-ration cartons?
We have tested some cardboard style boxes in 1/56 scale using various paper thickness. Results, in general, are not good.
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Due to my ineptness, I would be happier with moulded boxes and a decal set ^___^.
I have to admit, I would probably struggle with assembling tiny cardboard cartons too. It was just a thought...
Great photos - I think the ammo box is for .303 rifle/machine gun ammunition.
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Here is the preview of our painted Allied Stowage Kit (TS1 Plastic):
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/FB%20Allied%20Stowage%20TS1%20Painted%20160121-01_zpsbznb7l0v.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/FB%20Allied%20Stowage%20TS1%20Painted%20160121-02_zpsodqwxey2.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/FB%20Allied%20Stowage%20TS1%20Painted%20160121-03_zpsk4ymot3l.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/FB%20Allied%20Stowage%20TS1%20Painted%20160121-04_zpsvppswnwv.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/FB%20Allied%20Stowage%20TS1%20Painted%20160121-05_zpskmziwv31.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/FB%20Allied%20Stowage%20TS1%20Painted%20160121-06_zps8wtwmodt.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/FB%20Allied%20Stowage%20TS1%20Painted%20160121-07_zps3sl94e2u.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/FB%20Allied%20Stowage%20TS1%20Painted%20160121-08_zpsaxfmuacw.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/FB%20Allied%20Stowage%20TS1%20Painted%20160121-09_zpskt2vtby9.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/FB%20Allied%20Stowage%20TS1%20Painted%20160121-10_zpszamenp5i.jpg)
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Enjoy!
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Great stuff! Only the sandbag looks a bit odd. Please release it soon!
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What type of pack is hanging on the side of the Sherman's turret? It sort of looks like a German pack.
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I think it's meant to be one of the US pattern packs, although the details aren't quite right. I don't think Rubicon are too fussed about this sort of detail - I'm guessing it's intended to be fairly generic.
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Very good.
One thing that confused me was on the jerry cans and drums picture was why one of the US cans in the multi pack had a different filler cap, it was only when I saw the overall picture I realised that what I thought was a pack of five was actually four plus a separate one ^___^. The difference is only visible with them next to each other.
That will make gearing up allied vehicles much easier and I will not have to nick all the back packs from my BA infantry.
Now I need to get hold of that Company B M4A3 decal set, and does any one know where I can get a 28mm scale milk churn?
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To me it looks like a row of US cans with a loose Brit can at the end , and a row of Brit cans with a loose US one . And by the way the US did have 2 styles of cap on their cans . IRC , the round , screw off cap was on water cans , and the flip top was on fuel cans , that way you can't f*ck up and fill the fuel tanks with water during a blackout lol .
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As long as the US jerrycans match the ones mounted on the M3A1 half-track, it's fine.
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We do listen to feedbacks...
Even though not quite sure if our mould makers will be able to etch letter size that small, we'd pushed hard to give it a try!
Here it is! Not sure if you can still see it after priming and painting... but it is there!
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/Allied%20Stowage%20TS2%20160127-1_zpsowwyzt3e.jpg)
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We do listen to feedbacks...
Even though not quite sure if our mould makers will be able to etch letter size that small, we'd pushed hard to give it a try!
Here it is! Not sure if you can still see it after priming and painting... but it is there!
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/Allied%20Stowage%20TS2%20160127-1_zpsowwyzt3e.jpg)
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Cool.
I suppose the manufacturing date is out of the question? ^____^
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Wow , great looking cans . Your mold makers have really upped their game . Great comment smurf lol
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Wow!
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OK, when will it be available?
Marco
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As I was working on Sherman 1 number four, I realised that shackles would be really useful. I made ones for my Matilda out of wire, but they lack the Bolt part. It would make using the tow wire loops you provide on both stowage sets easier.
Possibly a bit late for this set, but maybe the next set?
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Here is content list for our upcoming "280033 Allied Stowage Set 1" kit.
Each sprue had 39 stowage items (a total of 53 parts per sprue)!
Like it's German counterpart, the Allied set comes with two identical sprues... doubling whatever you seen here!
Actual sprue can be found in an earlier post under this topic!
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/FB%20Allied%20Stowage%20160410-0_zps3kzbdmff.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Stowage%20Kits/FB%20Allied%20Stowage%20160410-1_zpsb7mojj6w.jpg)
Enjoy!
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I am so looking forward to this one. All my Rubicon US vehicles have spaces all over them waiting to be filled with bits from this set!
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Excellent. This will be really useful.
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Lots of useful parts . I still think the wooden crates # 13 , 17 & 18 are way too big . The ones in the German set I used on my 1/35 scale tanks . Some were almost 5 ft long and 2 ft wide in 1/56 scale., too big for ammo crates even for a Tiger II . No way stuff that size would carried unless it was a bolted on box like the ones seen on the rear of some Stugs . IRC , the M8 had a larger hub and tire than the halftrack and truck . Also the M8 tires , like most, ( not all ) allied armored cars tires, were designed to run flat , so spares weren't carried . As with most stowage sets , I'm going to find use for everything supplied in one of my hobby scales :)
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I agree with Ripley about the size of the crates, I have so far used the German Stowage #15 on a Stug and an M4. Smaller boxes would be more useful as they can fit on the tanks.
Oh, and for the second German set can we have some Panzerschreck boxes, they fit nicely on 11 AD Shermans' mudguards (pages 18 and 21 of British Tanks in Normandy by Ludovic Fortin).
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Personally I would rather have boxes for the Western allies that aren't generic . For example , 25pdr ammo boxes , of both types ( charge & projectile ) were used by everyone for on vehicle stowage . The metal boxes were water tight with a rubber seal , and the inside dividers could be removed as various ammo types used the same box . IRC the 25pdr propellant box ( held 4 ) was also used for the 2 inch smoke rounds ( 12 ) that were fired in most British tanks and US Shermans . You see them welded on the turret rear of Shermans , and even in cut outs on the fenders of Canadian Stag Hound armored cars . Most 75 mm boxes were made of wood and there is a lack of them in period photos , probably cut up and burned to make tea or coffee . ::) Plus US rounds also came in cardboard style tubes , just look at any photo of a tank used as a mobile field gun in Italy , you see piles of them . There are also a few versions of the 6pdr boxes that would also be use full . On the German side , you only see ammo boxes during resupplyiing ammo as the boxes weren't deep enough to hold stuff and being wood , not water tight . You do see MG ammo crates as well as mine / grenade crates on the rear and fenders of Pz III & IV . Remember those fenders were very narrow so a large box wouldn't fit and you really didn't want to pile stuff up on the engine deck as it covered the engine fans and also kept the gun from targeting 360 degrees . There's an aftermarket niche for some resin company ,- 1/56 scale ammo boxes , there's tons out there in 1/35 and a few in 1/48 , I think we deserve some too ;D
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Ripley - agreed on the crates, although I think 13 is about right for a 90mm ammo crate. 17 and 18 seem to be the same as items in the German set, and are oversized. I suggested British metal ammo boxes when this set was being designed.
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Thanks for the 'a bit too late' feedback. We will keep that in mind with the next set release.
In the meantime, you can all post at least a picture of the crates or boxes you wanted so that we can keep them for future references if possible.
Thanks again!
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These ammo boxes are used at IWM Duxford to mark the edge of paths.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HID-9fXf35Q/VpPuKdZOG9I/AAAAAAAABPY/c6JG0SZT6Rw/s1600/IMG_8890.JPG)
Unfortunately I forgot to put any scale markers in the picture.
Pinky identified the box the last time I posted it, I will find the post.
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Awesome!
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Here: http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=325.msg3063#msg3063