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Rubicon Models => Work In Progress => Topic started by: Rubicon Models on October 21, 2015, 12:55:21 am
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The SU-85 (Samokhodnaya Ustanovka 85) was a Soviet casemate-style self-propelled gun used during World War II, based on the chassis of the T-34 medium tank. Earlier Soviet self-propelled guns were meant to serve as either assault guns, such as the SU-122, or as tank destroyers; the SU-85 fell into the latter category. The designation "85" signifies the bore of the vehicle's armament, the 85 mm D-5S gun.
The SU-122 (from Samokhodnaya Ustanovka 122 mm) was a Soviet self-propelled howitzer or assault gun used during World War II. The number "122" in the designation represents the caliber of the main armament— a 122 mm M-30S howitzer. The chassis was that of the T-34.
Objective for this project:
- To create a 3-sprue 1/56 (28mm) plastic kit
- Options to build either a SU-85 tank destroyer or a SU-122 assault gun
- Hopefully will include a tank commander
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NOTE: This render is already out-dated. We have made many changes to it since the original posting a month earlier. Can you find them out when compared with the above line drawings?
Enjoy!
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They look good.
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They look great . May I recommend the round style front fenders for the SU -85 ,the angled type are more late war ie SU 85M /100. Also spare track is needed on the front plate under the gun of the SU-85 . As the space between the tow hooks was wider than the T-34 tank , they had 7 track links instead of 5 . No room on the front of the Su-122 for anything :) .
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May I recommend the round style front fenders for the SU-85, the angled type are more late war ie SU 85M /100. Also spare track is needed on the front plate under the gun of the SU-85. As the space between the tow hooks was wider than the T-34 tank, they had 7 track links instead of 5.
The vehicle design will enable you too choose between round style or angled type front fenders for the SU-122; of course, the SU-85 will only use the round style front fenders.
For the spare tracks, we have already taken notes on the subject. Thanks!
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Ripley is right about the SU-85's spare tracks and fenders. I'm really happy to see these vehicles in the pipeline - especially the SU-122.
Here's my suggested re-write of the introductory blurb - this makes them both sound a bit more exciting. The SU-122 should come first.
The SU-122 ('Samokhodnaya Ustanovka 122' - the number represents the calibre of the main armament) was a Soviet self-propelled assault gun that entered service in late 1942. Inspired by the German Sturmgeschutz III assault gun, it was built on the proven T-34 chassis. It was intended to provide fire support for the infantry, but the introduction of a new shaped charge anti-tank round in 1943 enabled it to deal effectively with German armour at short ranges.
The SU-85 ('Samokhodnaya Ustanovka 85') was a Soviet self-propelled gun, also based on the T-34 chassis. It was the result of a crash program in 1943 to develop a tank destroyer that could deal with heavy German tanks like the Tiger I, which was largely invulnerable to the standard 76.2mm Soviet tank gun. The SU-85's main armament was a modified 85mm anti-aircraft gun. As it was intended to provide long-range anti-tank support, no machine-gun was fitted. It first saw action in 1943, and proved to be a popular weapon.
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Thanks Pinky for the rewrite. The original write-up is again wikipedia material (with minor modifications)... haha!
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Nice to have a choice in fender styles , but the Su -122 never had angled style fenders , IRC it was out of production by that time . In fact some factories never did implement the angle fender or change from dish wheels even in post war production of T-34 /85 & SU-100.
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Ripley, in that case, might save us two extra parts... ;)
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Just a quick update on our SU project:
- We have revamped the top front hull assembly on both the SU-85 and SU-122 so that they are much easier to get attached to the hull body.
- The SU-85 gun assembly had also been reworked so that it will be comparable to the real gun in terms of elevation and rotation.
- The hatches (edited, thanks ripley) on both tanks had also been modified and make them sturdier when they are open.
- We have decided to re-tool the optional oil drums on the original "common" T-34/76 and T-34/85 sprue. The T-34/76 front hull machine gun also benefit on this change.
- Have sent the file to 3D prototyping, and hopefully will see some samples soon!
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Just to set things straight , the SU-122 and 85 really didn't have Commander hatches . The Commander in each , sat in the right front corner of the vehicle. The SU-85 had a movable periscope and 2 fixed ones in a bulge on the roof . The SU-122 only had a movable scope as it was a indirect fire weapon , which sat back from the front line like the artillery piece it was based on . The square hatches on both vehicles are for crew access and resupply of ammo . The SU-100 did have a Commanders hatch , it being the same round cupola used on the T-34/85 tank .
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I think Rubicon was just referring to the hatches generally. Open hatches are one of the vulnerable points of wargaming models - along with headlights and MG barrels...
Really looking forward to this kit.
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Sorry , just a little OCD when it comes to identifying tank parts . So many kits have things mislabeled . Really can't wait for this lit though . I thought my Russians were good with 8 T-34 tanks , but now I'm going to have to rethink my combat force . And kit bash more tank riders ::) . Maybe when Rubicon gets their figures perfected they could release sets of seated tank riders from the major players of WW2 . Sort of like BA figure sprues , 5 or 6 seated bodies , assorted heads , arms and weapons .
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Sorry , just a little OCD when it comes to identifying tank parts . So many kits have things mislabeled . Really can't wait for this lit though .
We totally agree, we had spend a lot of time trying to get the right part names, but sometimes is quite difficult for us because of language translation issues... still we tried our best!
I thought my Russians were good with 8 T-34 tanks , but now I'm going to have to rethink my combat force . And kit bash more tank riders ::) . Maybe when Rubicon gets their figures perfected they could release sets of seated tank riders from the major players of WW2 . Sort of like BA figure sprues , 5 or 6 seated bodies , assorted heads , arms and weapons .
Soviet tank riders had ALWAYS on our mind... something that we would like to do it right! Probably 5 to 6 riders in various poses with different weapons in summer uniform. Will make that happen in 2016!
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Finally had the time to get the SU SPG (SU-85 & SU-122) 3D prototypes done:
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Comment anyone?
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Nice Kit. The details looks good. What about some tools on the chasis or where there usualy none?
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Nice Kit. The details looks good. What about some tools on the chasis or where there usualy none?
This is a 3 sprue kit - 2 new one together with a retooled existing T-34 sprue. We do not have spare space to put anything else on the two new sprues. However, we will be doing a Soviet Stowage Kit in 2016, please wait.
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Great looking vehicle , a good combination of detail to satisfy both the gamer and the modeler . To answer Yaquir's question , most books I have show very few vehicle tools on Russian tanks . The odd pick and shovel on JS tanks and SPGs and a pair of shovels on early T-34s . The usual thing found on almost all Russian tanks was a Cross Cut Saw , usually in a V shaped holder on the tank's side . Early KVs had the saw on the fender and later KVs had it in one of the fender bins .
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They both look terrific.
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Eye candy for what is to come...
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More pic soon!
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Looks good.
I cannot remember if they had one of these at Duxford?
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Eye candy for what is to come...
Looking good!
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Love the open roof hatches on the SU-85 . Now where can I find a decent 85mm gun breech to add to the interior when I get one ?
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Very nice!
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Now that our HK studio resumes work... Sweet poison!
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More plastic crack! Q2 for this kit?
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More plastic crack! Q2 for this kit?
Hopefully YES~!
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Nice.
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This is our painted samples using our SU-SPG TS1 plastic sprues. The kit comes with a common chassis and two front hulls options enabling you to build either a SU-85 tank destroyer or a SU-122 assault gun.
Other options include open hatches, elevated guns, and fuel cans. No figures are included.
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Enjoy!
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Very nice.
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Yes, these look very nice indeed. Rubicon's lineup of Soviet armour is impressive (especially when you include the later model T-34/76, which I think is the best of the T-34 kits). I like Kent's paint jobs on the two SU test models as well.
I want to clarify one point. It might be the photos distorting the actual shape of the model, but the mantlet on the SU-122 doesn't seem to slope back enough. It seems to bulge forward a little bit too much. Here's a photo of a (captured) SU-122 - the mantlet seems to slope more (although again it might just be the angle of the photo). Could we see a profile shot of the model?
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However, we will be doing a Soviet Stowage Kit in 2016, please wait.
With all the figure work you have been doing, any chance of tank riders in the Soviet Stowage set?
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However, we will be doing a Soviet Stowage Kit in 2016, please wait.
With all the figure work you have been doing, any chance of tank riders in the Soviet Stowage set?
What do you think? ;)
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@Rubicon Models he think about soviet infantry to place on the tanks, how they were usually to do
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All, there isn't much to put on a Soviet Stowage set - may be some tarpaulins and rucksacks, and a two hand saw...
Soviets don't or rarely had stowage on their tanks... they won the war by numbers. An average tank won't last too long, thus not much stowage on them.
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How about suit cases , brass beds and pianos as stowage pieces ? ( I've even seen a US lend lease jeep on the back of a T-34 / 76 . )Just look at some of the pictures from Berlin late May 44 . Lots of stuff to send home to mum :) . Most Soviet tanks had a cross cut saw , the odd shovel and pick , and the mandatory un ditching logs . That's about it except for a tarp . Some vehicles like the T-34 / 85 had a permanent place with tie down loops for the tarp on the rear face of the turret , others just stuffed it where there was room . And although extra track links were carried , they were mainly for repairs , not extra armor like the Germans and other Allied tanks . Soviet doctrine of the day stated that they made the best tanks in the world for armor and fire power and to feel the need for a bigger gun or extra protection was a defeatist attitude , you didn't have faith in the State's products . Easy to say sitting back in some cabin on the Volga , a little more pressing in Berlin under fire from everything Jerry had left . And yes a few seated tank rider figures would be awesome !
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On the subject of bed frames, what about bed frame/mattress stand off armour?
That seems popular with modellers at the moment, the diminutive but incendiary Kiwi company even do an add on for their T34 models.
Okay, slightly off Soviet tank destroyer topic...
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We are continuously refining our products. We don't create and forget just like many other companies do!
Providing the best customer experience is as important as creating new products...
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Enjoy!
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Looks better :)
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The new sprues are much crisper in detail . As I have said before , it is really nice to see companies listening to customers by tweaking and upgrading their products . I could name quite a few in the 1/35 scale game , who despite years of asking for feed back , and getting it from noted experts in the hobby , still rerelease the same rubbish kit . Well done Rubicon
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Good to see Rubicon taking the opportunity to upgrade this sprue. This is why I think it's inevitable that they will re-do the Sherman tracks when that kit is revised...because they can.
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Looking good.
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Here is the preliminary design of the 280034 SU-85 / SU-122 decal sheet.
Based on the first "Generic" Soviet Tank decal sheet, we have updated the following:
- all the regiment symbols
- all new tank slogans
- all new tank numbers (various sizes)
- added new insignia, including Poles and Czechs
>>> IF you have any comments on this decal sheet, please do so BEFORE Apr 15 (Thursday) before we send them to print!
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Enjoy!
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They look pretty good . I'm not sure if the Czech three color circle is WW2 or post war , my SU books are Polish ;D All I can think of that you might add is a white stripe for the SU-85 , as seen in Berlin 1945 . Personally I would like a set with individual numbers - 1,2 , 3 , 4 , up to 9 ,0 .in a couple of Russian style scripts . If I'm going to field a platoon of these , they should all be numbered alike - 433 , 434 , 435 , 436 , etc . You get the idea . Maybe you could bundle your various Russian decal sets ( T-34 , SU ) and a decal sheet of numbers as a set for sale, like your going to do with German decals . Any idea when this kit will hit the stores in Canada ?
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Can I echo Ripley about the numbers.
The German sets have sequences of numbers which make platoons easier to fit out (though I have had issues getting them to bed nicely onto Zimmerit even with Decalfix).
Plain "cyrillic" style number sets would be useful, I have some Russian and Tazbekistan models that need numbers, though I suspect I might have to hand paint "The Mighty Ibex" on the latter's vehicles
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I'm not sure if the Czech three color circle is WW2 or post war , my SU books are Polish
Yes, it was. It was adopted by the 1st Czechoslovak Tank Brigade in 1945 when it reached Czech soil, and painted on the forward side of the turret. The large, soft-edged 3-digit numbers included on the decal sheet were painted on the turret. However, they don't seem to have used SU-122s or SU-100s.
I agree that individual numbers would be very useful for models intended for wargaming.
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Yes, it was. It was adopted by the 1st Czechoslovak Tank Brigade in 1945 when it reached Czech soil, and painted on the forward side of the turret. The large, soft-edged 3-digit numbers included on the decal sheet were painted on the turret. However, they don't seem to have used SU-122s or SU-100s.
Good job in identifying the Czech three color circle. Since this is a generic Soviet tank decal sheet, we included it just in case...
Can still use it on our tanks as there are no specific records what tanks are not used during the uprising!
I agree that individual numbers would be very useful for models intended for wargaming.
Will look into this later. Might release a series of pre-made tank numbers for both Allies and Axis.
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Can still use it on our tanks as there are no specific records what tanks are not used during the uprising!
The tanks using in the 1945 Prague uprising were captured German types. The 1st Czechoslovak Tank Brigade was equipped by the Soviets, mostly with T-34/85s (and a few IS-2s), and it's these tanks that carried the Czech roundel - they weren't involved in the uprising. But it's useful to have these decals in this kit anyway.
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The Hetzer decal sheet has uprising elements, though you have to scratch build the "mantlet" ^____^.
There is a picture on the Hetzer thread.
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A two-year-old project being given a breath of new life!
A resin upgrade kit for the 280034 SU-85/SU-122 SPG to become a SU-85M or SU-100...
3D drawings done, now awaiting approval and then 3D prototyping!
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Enjoy!
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So what bits are resin?
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So what bits are resin?
Upper hull, gun assembly and the hatches; the rest are plastic.
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Looks good. Definitely will want some of these. Assume it's just the front half of the upper hull, to fit like the different parts of the SU-85 / 122...?
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3D prototype of the SU-85M and SU-100 is finally upon us!
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Enjoy!
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What's the logic in all of the upper hall being resin? I can't see that there's anything different on the engine cover or the rear of the tank?
Just takes it from a must-buy to a not-worth it for me, as it won't be possible to interchange it with the existing SU-85/122 front hulls.
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Probably should just be the crew compartment in resin . There's the commanders cupola and side bump out , redesigned shape of the front roof hatch , double mushroom fan covers and of course the gun mount . The SU-100 did have the square front fenders though unlike the early SU-122/85 .
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Will there also be resin T-34 tracks? While the plastic tracks are pretty good, I am quite interested in Rubicon's planned range of extra-detailed replacement tracks.
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Will there also be resin T-34 tracks? While the plastic tracks are pretty good, I am quite interested in Rubicon's planned range of extra-detailed replacement tracks.
Good point. To my shame I have not got the existing tank destroyers, but the original T34 tracks do lack detail on the inner surface.
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This is our SU-85M SPG & SU-100 TD "RESIN" conversion upgrade based on our SU-85 / SU-122 plastic kit. The quality of the kit is comparable to our plastic counterpart.
The conversion comes with 16 FACTORY-CLEANED resin parts which means you can start assembly and painting right out-of-the-box!
We also include OPTIONS in such a small package...
- SU-85M or SU-100 conversion
- Open or close crew hatches
- Two front fender choices
We even also offer "SPECIAL BUNDLE" with the plastic kit once this kit becomes available.
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Enjoy!
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