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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Winter Track Links 180409
« Reply #300 on: April 09, 2018, 11:13:38 PM »
These are Winterketten, not cleats.  They were basically extensions to the tracks.  Cleats attach to the face of the track.  These are appropriate for 1942-43.

Anyway, another good idea.  I hope they are reasonably robust though.

Pinky is correct. They are Winterketten and not cleats/grousers. On American tanks these would be called "Track Extenders" but also nicknamed "Duckbills" for obvious reasons.

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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Winter Track Links 180409
« Reply #301 on: April 09, 2018, 11:48:41 PM »
These are Winterketten, not cleats.  They were basically extensions to the tracks.  Cleats attach to the face of the track.  These are appropriate for 1942-43.

If you looked carefully, you will see the H-shape cleats on the tracks... ;D

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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Winter Track Links 180409
« Reply #302 on: April 10, 2018, 07:51:00 AM »
The Germans had 2 types of winter track , WinterKetten and OstKetten . The WK was developed first , and while it worked , the extensions , ( which were part of the track link not add-ons like duck bills ) tended to snap off on hard turns . OstKetten which was a much more robust track link , almost shaped like a Tiger track link . The Germans also had add on ice cleats , in fact most modern tanks have them in a bin or like the German Leopard , mounted on the hull


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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Winter Track Links 180409
« Reply #303 on: April 10, 2018, 09:59:06 AM »
I can't see the cleats, but then I'm old and using a small screen to view this site.

I'm interested in whether these resin Winterketten will 'snap off on hard turns'.  They will obviously be great for modellers, but are they up to the rigours of the wargaming table?  Maybe I'll wait for the Ostketten.

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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Winter Track Links 180409
« Reply #304 on: April 10, 2018, 08:31:12 PM »
If they did snap of it would be very realistic . most photos show missing ends on well used tracks , just like Sherman Duckbills

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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Alternate Rear Air-Intake Chassis 180421
« Reply #305 on: April 21, 2018, 09:40:55 PM »
Thought someone was asking for this...

This piece is just too large to fit onto the plastic sprue, but should be an excellent upgrade piece in resin!




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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Alternate Rear Air-Intake Chassis 180421
« Reply #306 on: April 21, 2018, 10:53:16 PM »
 Or could you possibly make the two vented rear air intakes as separate pieces ,and add them onto your plastic spruce?? That shouldn't take up much space at all.

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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Alternate Rear Air-Intake Chassis 180421
« Reply #307 on: April 21, 2018, 11:38:49 PM »
Or could you possibly make the two vented rear air intakes as separate pieces ,and add them onto your plastic spruce?? That shouldn't take up much space at all.

Too late to do that now as all the plastic sprues for the early Panzer IV had been done.  We had looked into something similar to your idea but felt the structure would be too weak as a wargaming kit.

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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Alternate Rear Air-Intake Chassis 180421
« Reply #308 on: April 22, 2018, 12:29:58 AM »
Too late to do that now as all the plastic sprues for the early Panzer IV had been done.  We had looked into something similar to your idea but felt the structure would be too weak as a wargaming kit.

You’ve done exactly the same thing very successfully before (like the engine deck insert in the M10/M36 kit).  And this option was suggested a while ago...