Rubicon Models
Rubicon Models => Work In Progress => Topic started by: Rubicon Models on April 11, 2018, 12:38:24 pm
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No more complaints... last of the April Fools mystery unveiled!
Project for an LRDG Chevrolet 30cwt truck had begun!
Please check for details and omissions so that we can revise it before sending the truck for 3d prototyping. Much appreciated!
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/UK%20Truck/LRDG%20Chevrolet%20Truck%20180411-01_zpswhylbqnt.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/UK%20Truck/LRDG%20Chevrolet%20Truck%20180411-02_zpseeiwqzcl.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/UK%20Truck/LRDG%20Chevrolet%20Truck%20180411-03_zps7ihorqhs.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/UK%20Truck/LRDG%20Chevrolet%20Truck%20180411-04_zpsg7mzku8q.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/UK%20Truck/LRDG%20Chevrolet%20Truck%20180411-05_zps4q3lf5ad.jpg)
Enjoy!
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This looks like a fun kit. I always liked the Matchbox 1/76 scale version. It has to come with lots of stowage though - which is a good excuse to do some of the specifically British items missing from the current Allied stowage sprue, and maybe improve on your sculpting of soft stowage like blanket rolls. Some suggestions:
- teapot or similar item for brewing up
- British-style pressed steel ammo boxes
- proper British knapsacks
- ration boxes
- generic crates and barrels
The tread patterns and the shape of the tyres aren't correct. The tyres were fatter, and had a diamond tread pattern which was quite distinctive.
Also, it's a small point but the petrol can racks on the running-boards are mis-shapen. For some reason I can't post photos, but the rack was higher and the guard around the top was vertical, not sloping. I think the petrol cans themselves are also underscale in your drawing.
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Nice start.
I just looked at the photographs on Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Desert_Group (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Desert_Group).
The structures on the front mudguards look like tanks in the drawing but appear to be rolled up sand mats.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/T_Patrol_T10.jpg)
Pinky's comment about the can holder can be illustrated by the above photograph. I can see how the shape of the model was "seen" or it might be a variation.
Really looking forward to this one (or three).
Now, how about the heavy weapons option? That would please the Italian gamer/modellers ^__^.
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The structures on the front mudguards look like tanks in the drawing but appear to be rolled up sand mats.
Yes, we are aware of it. Those are a placeholder when we are doing the 3d drawings (with the correct size and measurement). Once done, we will pass the file to our 3d sculptors to do the rolled up sand mats in details.
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Now, how about the heavy weapons option? That would please the Italian gamer/modellers ^__^.
If you are talking about a Breda 20mm AA Gun, that will be a separate project as we wanted all guns to be a standalone project.
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Now, how about the heavy weapons option? That would please the Italian gamer/modellers ^__^.
If you are talking about a Breda 20mm AA Gun, that will be a separate project as we wanted all guns to be a standalone project.
I thought it would be, I do not want to be buying multiples of the Breda if I am building troop carriers ^__^. Much better use of the two two sprues for stowage.
Thanks.
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The structures on the front mudguards look like tanks in the drawing but appear to be rolled up sand mats.
Yes, we are aware of it. Those are a placeholder when we are doing the 3d drawings (with the correct size and measurement). Once done, we will pass the file to our 3d sculptors to do the rolled up sand mats in details.
Cool, that explains it. Thanks.
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Wow , very nice . So much potential to go wild with the stowage and weapons load out ;D
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Very happy to see this. Thank you and well done Rubicon 8)
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What other countries made regular use (not captured) of the Chevrolet WB 30cwt truck?
Was it only used by the Long Range Desert Group?
Chevrolet WB 30cwt Truck (LRDG) with a 37mm Bofors:
(http://www.milicast.com/shop/images/T/UK110%20BOFORS.jpg)
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The tread patterns and the shape of the tyres aren't correct. The tyres were fatter, and had a diamond tread pattern which was quite distinctive.
We are aware a good portion of the LRDG tyres will the diamond tread pattern, but this pattern is basically not possible to mould with a standard injection mould. The only alternative is the current design which is also found in historical photos. One way to create the diamond tread pattern is the use of rubber injection tyres... a questionable alternative solution. We are still looking into other ways to solve this technical issue.
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The tread patterns and the shape of the tyres aren't correct. The tyres were fatter, and had a diamond tread pattern which was quite distinctive.
We are aware a good portion of the LRDG tyres will the diamond tread pattern, but this pattern is basically not possible to mould with a standard injection mould. The only alternative is the current design which is also found in historical photos. One way to create the diamond tread pattern is the use of rubber injection tyres... a questionable alternative solution. We are still looking into other ways to solve this technical issue.
Would it be possible to do a resin upgrade option for the tyres at a later date?
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Please, no rubber tyres...
I can see how this is an issue, but the diamond tread pattern is very distinctive. Maybe this would justify including resin wheels?
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What other countries made regular use (not captured) of the Chevrolet WB 30cwt truck?
Tchad Leclerc Free French used Chevrolet 30cwt indian patern trucks
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LRDG crew together with some organic parts for the Chevrolet 30cwt project done!
Once prototyped and approved, we will be able to move the project to our mould making queue.
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/UK%20Truck/LRDG%20Chevrolet%20Crew%20180525-1_zpswpyvflzo.jpg)
Enjoy!
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Looking good . I assume the gunner on the running board is really for the gun in the rear . Don't think I've ever seen pictures of guys firing the gun from there , that's the co drivers job :D
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LRDG vehicle crews didn't all wear turbans and shorts. That's more of an SAS hallmark. An LRDG crew would be far more varied, as they brought their own personal equipment from whichever part of the armed services they had been in. They had a motley appearance, with various types of headgear and clothing - including battledress (with long pants), non-uniform jackets, woolen caps and slouch hats.
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I assume the gunner on the running board is really for the gun in the rear. Don't think I've ever seen pictures of guys firing the gun from there, that's the co drivers job :D
The standing gunner can be posted in front or at the rear holding the MG (there will be two MG choices). While at the front, you can omit the sitting passenger. ;)
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LRDG vehicle crews didn't all wear turbans and shorts. That's more of an SAS hallmark. An LRDG crew would be far more varied, as they brought their own personal equipment from whichever part of the armed services they had been in. They had a motley appearance, with various types of headgear and clothing.
We are doing these as "generic" plastic crew and the heads are separate anyway. We will do additional LRDG crew with different poses, headdress and gear at a later stage.
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They're not really 'generic' - they're basically SAS...
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But SAS are cool ;)
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We have revised two of the three digital sculpts with uniform changes to give them a more LRDG look...
Appreciate input from you guys! ;)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/UK%20Truck/LRDG%20Chevrolet%20Crew%20180707-1_zps5lanc3tn.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/UK%20Truck/LRDG%20Chevrolet%20Crew%20180707-2_zpsejqsapuq.jpg)
Enjoy!
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That's a vast improvement. Especially the driver. Any chance of some optional headgear, for variety? Then one could have a slouch hat...
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Shiny shiny shiny shiny....
Now this I am enthusiastic about.
Good start on the Lewis gun (must convince Anvil to do an Heroic scale one with optional mag).
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I would be looking at these for Free French transport. They are pretty motley crew, but any head options that particularly work for them would be quite welcome!
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With a head swap those guys could work in various Commonwealth armies . I hope Rubicon releases them in figure blister pack
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The LRDG vehicles were mainly two-wheel drive, chosen because they were lighter and used less fuel than four-wheel drive. They were stripped of all non-essentials, including doors, windscreens and roofs. They were fitted with a bigger radiator, a condenser system, built up leaf springs for the harsh terrain, wide, low-pressure desert tyres, sand mats and channels, plus map containers and a sun compass. Wireless trucks had special compartments built into the bodywork to house wireless equipment.
Initially, the LRDG patrols were equipped with one Canadian Military Pattern (CMP) Ford 15cwt F15 truck for the commander, while the rest of the patrol used up to 10 Chevrolet 30cwt wide-body (WB) trucks.
The 30cwt truck is a 2-sprue kit with a multi-slide mould cab body, comes with 5 plastic LRDG crew, stowage, and weapon options.
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/UK%20Truck/30cwt%20TS1%20181008-1_zpsxuwqq9np.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/UK%20Truck/30cwt%20TS1%20181008-2_zps1lv1oknl.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/UK%20Truck/30cwt%20TS1%20181008-3_zps1gjukouq.jpg)
Enjoy!
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Very nice.
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When will these hit the shelves, approximately? :)
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When will these hit the shelves, approximately? :)
Hopefully after the Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82. ;)
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man those look nice, they will sell like hot ckes
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Yes, I think this will be popular. A nice choice of subject. Looks as though there is a good choice of crew figures as well.
The soft stowage still looks a bit odd - sort of lumpy. And why does it have 2 steering wheels?
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If your talking about the stowage on both front fenders , its a canvas roll with wooden strips to use as a traction mat in the sand . Sort of like the Bobbin on the AVRE , just a lot smaller
(https://i.postimg.cc/JyK4pXKz/churchill-Avre-Carpet-Layer-jpg.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JyK4pXKz)
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Yes I know, Ripley. But it doesn't look right. Rubicon still seem to struggle with depicting soft stowage.
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I think it might just be the CAD picture . The soft stowage I thought was too smooth or weird looking I painted in liquid green stuff and stippled on texture .
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We have painted up our Chevrolet WB 30cwt truck TS1 plastic after finishing the factory QC report for preview...
Different gun choices and two sets of crew for either LRDG or SAS.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4904/32875876558_e472c3e4b5_o.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7918/46749757621_c06e1d33a7_o.jpg)
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(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4826/45834307715_ca09994e28_o.jpg)
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(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4869/45834307755_d8326cab17_o.jpg)
Enjoy!
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Looks awesome . I can just imagine the variety of guns I could mount on this thing , 50 cal , MG 34 , maybe a 20mm Flak ???
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Very nice.
Looking forward to these (must get my Perry figures built).
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Absolutely gorgeous. Can’t wait 8)
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There is a thread on the Lead Adventures forum discussing LRDG in 20 and 28mm scales.
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115148.msg1441170#msg1441170 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=115148.msg1441170#msg1441170)
What has come up is the absence of stowage in the displayed images.
Will there be additional stowage in the box, or will there be additional stowage sets coming out at the same time?
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4904/32875876558_e472c3e4b5_o.jpg)
I know there are the two existing stowage sets, but there is also the additional sets specifically for the Jeep.
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The models look very good. But please remember the SAS didn't use these vehicles. That's why I originally suggested changing the headgear(although some LRDG crews did wear Arab-style headress). Hopefully you haven't done the box art referring to SAS crew already.
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Personally , I think the Truck has the gear in the kit ( sand channels , canvas rolls , spare tire ) that were issued with the vehicle . Everything else , fuel , ammo , weapons in various amounts etc would be added depending on the number of crew and the mission . We'ld have to dig in to our own parts box to depict the vehicle we are modelling , but that's OK by me . I would rather have to add stuff to the kit than try to remove a box or fuel can from a single molded pile .
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Personally , I think the Truck has the gear in the kit ( sand channels , canvas rolls , spare tire ) that were issued with the vehicle . Everything else , fuel , ammo , weapons in various amounts etc would be added depending on the number of crew and the mission . We'ld have to dig in to our own parts box to depict the vehicle we are modelling , but that's OK by me . I would rather have to add stuff to the kit than try to remove a box or fuel can from a single molded pile .
I certainly agree - especially about removing stuff from a moulded pile.
What would be nice would be some additional kit beyond what is in the two stowage sets. Soft stowage I can do, but ammo boxes etc would be nice. But then I am after 40mm ammo boxes.
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It would be nice to get some specific ammo boxes for all sides . I've cast up my own Russian 45/76mm ( same size box ) and 85mm ammo boxes but really need 25 pdr boxes to attach to my Shermans and various other Allied vehicles in need of water tight stowage . I think there are some in the Brit LVT crew set but as its molded in resin ( IRC ) its going to be a bitch to break down the large casting into separate pieces . That's the problem I see with large stowage castings , they only really fit in the vehicle series they were made for while single pieces can be put any where you want . Hopefully Rubicon take the chance and release some ammo box blister packs , they are quite popular in other scales , especially 1/35 . Heck , AFV even make 25 pdr boxes as a single plastic sprue for sale as a blister pack ( 4 boxes in total ) .
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Preliminary decal design for Chevrolet 30cwt truck.
Decals included 3 New Zealand patrols - R, T, and W; plus the Guards version. What do you think?
Comments welcome before we send it to print
(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Waterslide%20Decals/British%2030cwt%20Truck%20Decal%20190330-1_zpsdprvasm1.jpg)
Enjoy!
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