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Title: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - Question?? 180426
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 15, 2016, 01:02:00 pm
Save this space... Yes, another German vehicle is coming!   ;D
Title: Re: Save this space... another German vehicle coming! 161015
Post by: H0ffmn on October 16, 2016, 01:24:56 am
C'mon..............Early Panzer III !!!
Title: Re: Save this space... another German vehicle coming! 161015
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on October 16, 2016, 03:26:17 am
It does say vehicle, which may mean something other than a tank...
Title: Re: Save this space... another German vehicle coming! 161015
Post by: ripley on October 16, 2016, 05:22:13 am
While the hint of a new vehicle is very exciting , I would really like to see your Maultier , motorbike , 251 add on kits , jeeps  and crew figures in the shops  :)  On the other hand I do realize that taking a concept from idea , to cad , to master , to plastic , to the stores  takes time . But I'm not getting any younger  ::)
Title: Re: Save this space... another German vehicle coming! 161015
Post by: Swamprat33 on October 16, 2016, 05:44:08 am
Have to agree with you there Ripley.
I am in desperate need for some 251 crews & Tank Commanders to complete all the models ive built so far.

Assuming the next German model is not a tank then i really hope it will be an SD.kfz. 7 multi kit so you can build either Prime mover or one of the flak wagons.

Cheers
Tim
Title: Re: Save this space... another German vehicle coming! 161015
Post by: Pinky on October 16, 2016, 10:07:23 am
I think it might be the revamped Panzer IV, since that was discussed a little while back.

But if it's not a tank, then I'd like it to be an armoured car.
Title: Re: Save this space... another German vehicle coming! 161015
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 16, 2016, 12:05:07 pm
Seems like everyone is keen to know... we have decided to work on the
Panzer IV first, Panzer III will come later.  Research had begun, should
everything goes smoothly, we might be able to create 3 box sets!

As for this particular project... will post something soon!  ;)
Title: Re: Save this space... another German vehicle coming! 161015
Post by: H0ffmn on October 16, 2016, 10:03:50 pm
C'mon..............Early Panzer III !!!
  I know. I remember Rubicon stating in another post that they would start with their rework of their Panzer IV first.
  It was just wishful thinking.........
Title: Re: Save this space... another German vehicle coming! 161015
Post by: Aircav on October 26, 2016, 05:37:33 am
Another German one  :'( :'(
We need more British stuff
Title: Re: Save this space... another German vehicle coming! 161015
Post by: Swamprat33 on October 26, 2016, 07:39:11 am
Panzer 1V ausf J ......PLEASE ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Save this space... another German vehicle coming! 161015
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 26, 2016, 04:02:24 pm
The long wait is over!   Introducing the SdKfz 222/223/260/261 project...

The Leichter Panzerspähwagen (German: roughly "light armoured reconnaissance vehicle") was a series of light four-wheel drive armoured cars produced by Nazi Germany from 1935 to 1944.

Designed to meet operational requirements including reliability, run on a variety of grades of fuel, simple construction and good off-road performance the first such vehicle was the SdKfz 221 but this proved too small and too lightly armed, so in 1936-37 a heavier version was planned, using one of two standard chassis for four-wheel armoured cars, one with a front-mounted engine, the other rear mounted version, was used in the SdKfz 222, which became the standard light armoured car in German army service until the defeat of Nazi Germany.

SdKfz 222
This version of the vehicle was armed with a 2cm KwK 30 L/55 autocannon and a 7.92mm MG13 machine gun. The crew was increased to three by the addition of a gunner, relieving the commander of that task. In 1938, the MG13 was replaced by a Maschinengewehr 34, in 1942 the KwK30 was replaced by the faster firing KwK38 of the same calibre. Production ran from 1937 to late 1943, with at least 990 vehicles being produced for the army. Its full name was Leichter Panzerspähwagen (2cm).

SdKfz 223
An armoured car with similar features to the SdKfz 221, but with the addition of a frame antenna and a 30-watt FuG10 medium-range radio set. Later versions of the vehicle were equipped with an improved 80-watt FuG12 radio set. It was originally armed with a 7.92mm MG13 machine gun, but in 1938 this was changed to a Maschinengewehr 34. The crew was increased to three by the addition of a radio operator. Production ran from 1936 to January 1944, with at least 567 vehicles being produced for the army. Its full name was Leichter Panzerspähwagen (Fu).

Kleiner Panzerfunkwagen SdKfz 260/261
Unarmed radio car versions with long range radio equipment and a large "bed-frame" antenna over the vehicle. Generally used for signals use, three were used as armoured cars in Finland. The SdKfz 260 was equipped with radio sets to communicate with aircraft, the SdKfz 261 with radio sets to communicate with other Heer units. By 1 September 1940, the manufacturers had orders for 36 SdKfz 260 and 289 SdKfz 261. Production ran from April 1941 to April 1943, with 483 vehicles of both types being produced.


Proposed Features:
• Four build options to either assemble as a SdKfz 222 / SdKfz 223 / SdKfz 260 / SdKfz 261
• Choice of road wheel rims
• Interior details around the turret area included
• Full detail cannon
• Open or closed turret mesh (wire mesh anti-grenade screens)
•  Bedframe antenna
• Optional stowage
• One gun crew
• All new decal sheet
• Assembly instruction

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223%20161014-1_zpsslkseice.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223%20161014-2_zpsdqx4ytym.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223%20161014-3_zpscpycrlwa.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223%20161014-4_zpszirpfjfu.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223%20161014-5_zpsykgnzqu4.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223%20161014-6_zpsxcmicymi.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223%20161014-7_zpsbfbzt6dt.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223%20161014-8_zps9lquklsu.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: The Long Wait is OVER... SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 161026
Post by: Pinky on October 26, 2016, 04:16:07 pm
This is great news!  Another very useful and attractive vehicle. 

It looks as though the jerrycan rack on the SdKfz 223 is modelled on the Tamiya kit.  It's worth pointing out that it's not particularly accurate, although it's often copied.  Jerrycan racks were common on the desert version of all German armoured cars.  There were also various additional stowage boxes - it would be great if these could be included as options.

Really pleased to see this one coming in kit form!   
Title: Re: The Long Wait is OVER... SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 161026
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 26, 2016, 04:30:47 pm
It looks as though the jerrycan rack on the SdKfz 223 is modelled on the Tamiya kit.  It's worth pointing out that it's not particularly accurate, although it's often copied.

It might be the case, we are using references from reenactment vehicles as a base.  Historically, stowage choices are numerous!


Jerrycan racks were common on the desert version of all German armoured cars.  There were also various additional stowage boxes - it would be great if these could be included as options.

It will depend on how many sprues are needed.  From the look of it, this may be a 3 sprue kit... should be able to include some stowage!
Title: Re: The Long Wait is OVER... SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 161026
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on October 26, 2016, 05:08:16 pm
Hooray!

Excellent choice.

Now I would like a British equivalent vehicle ^___^.
Title: Re: The Long Wait is OVER... SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 161026
Post by: Pinky on October 26, 2016, 07:41:28 pm
It might be the case, we are using references from reenactment vehicles as a base.  Historically, stowage choices are numerous!

That's never a good source; restored vehicles are often based on unreliable research (including plastic kits) or shortcuts due to unavailable parts.  I'll see what I have.
Title: Re: The Long Wait is OVER... SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 161026
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 26, 2016, 07:51:36 pm
That's never a good source; restored vehicles are often based on unreliable research (including plastic kits) or shortcuts due to unavailable parts.  I'll see what I have.

We have at least 3 reference books for the subject, but more are welcome!  ;)
Title: Re: The Long Wait is OVER... SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 161026
Post by: Pinky on October 26, 2016, 08:59:35 pm
This is the best reference I have on these vehicles:

(https://s15.postimg.org/wmb6qhrev/IMG_20161026_2052056.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/wmb6qhrev/)

They didn't change much during production - mostly the visor design, lights and wheels (the triangular plate on the rim was dropped).  Some photos of the SdKfz 223 show a different design for the left side stowage box.
Title: Re: The Long Wait is OVER... SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 161026
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 26, 2016, 09:05:47 pm
They didn't change much during production - mostly the visor design, lights and wheels and wheels (the triangular plate was dropped).  Some photos of the SdKfz 223 show a different design for the left side stowage box.

This is very true!  In most cases are the repositioning of selected tools and equipment, adding stowage boxes, and such.  Besides the visor, lights, and wheels, the most modified piece of the vehicle is the top side of the upper hull design and layout.
Title: Re: The Long Wait is OVER... SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 161026
Post by: Ballardian on October 26, 2016, 10:19:52 pm
Pleased to see the 222 family up next for the Rubicon treatment, it's a useful little a/c with the 222 in particular remaining in service for pretty much the whole war - so nobody has an excuse not to get one ;D.
Title: Re: The Long Wait is OVER... SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 161026
Post by: airborne on October 27, 2016, 04:15:44 am
Well I`ve gone from collecting U.S.A to German, Russian and British and this looks so good  with the Bmwas well what a prize.
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - New Options Added 161030
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 30, 2016, 01:57:56 pm
Additional new stowage and headlight option added to the 3D drawings.
Also added the SdKfz 260/261 to the project.

The key difference for the SdKfz 260/261 compared to the SdKfz 222/223
is the lack of weapons on the vehicle.  Other features include a different
design on the left hull side stowage box (on some units) and the addition
of a frontal stowage bin.  It also featured a retractable "bedframe" antenna
which had been faithfully recreated.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223-260-261%20161030-1_zpsycqzddk4.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223-260-261%20161030-2_zpsbpzzzwqf.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223-260-261%20161030-3_zpszvqqfa8q.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223-260-261%20161030-4_zpsw7wh4bhv.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223-260-261%20161030-5_zpsriy9jlyg.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype 161111
Post by: Rubicon Models on November 11, 2016, 01:04:02 pm
3D Prototype of our SdKfz 222 and SdKfz 223.  Didn't have SdKfz 260/261 yet.
I have to say this is by far one of our best creations!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223-260-261%20Prototype%20161105-00_zpsnveacrmx.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223-260-261%20Prototype%20161105-01_zps9ip1awv5.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223-260-261%20Prototype%20161105-02_zpsxwyaedt5.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223-260-261%20Prototype%20161105-03_zps9hkiqp4k.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223-260-261%20Prototype%20161105-04_zpszyugmdxc.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223-260-261%20Prototype%20161105-05_zpssu007yaw.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223-260-261%20Prototype%20161105-06_zpsexn9p6mg.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223-260-261%20Prototype%20161105-07_zpsghtq2m2u.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223-260-261%20Prototype%20161105-08_zps1y4bhiik.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223-260-261%20Prototype%20161105-09_zpsailncgaq.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223-260-261%20Prototype%20161105-10_zpscjyrvymk.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223-260-261%20Prototype%20161105-11_zpshxjtez7t.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223-260-261%20Prototype%20161105-12_zpszwjlvrss.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222-223-260-261%20Prototype%20161105-13_zpsrw5f0t45.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype 161111
Post by: Pinky on November 11, 2016, 03:41:06 pm
Yes, I have to agree - this looks like one of your best so far.  A very elegant model, and both versions really capture the lines of the originals.

A couple of very minor points: I'm not sure about the little wooden box on the mudguard - it doesn't look like anything (also copied from the Tamiya kit?).  How about including a proper 20mm ammo box?  And maybe also thin down the struts on the jerrycan rack?  It looks a bit heavy-handed at the moment.
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype 161111
Post by: Rubicon Models on November 11, 2016, 04:00:47 pm
A couple of very minor points: I'm not sure about the little wooden box on the mudguard - it doesn't look like anything (also copied from the Tamiya kit?).  How about including a proper 20mm ammo box?  And maybe also thin down the struts on the jerrycan rack?  It looks a bit heavy-handed at the moment.

The wooden box is optional and can be removed.  Can add 20mm ammo box instead.

The rack is a separate part from the jerrycans, we therefore need to keep the plastic to a
minimum thickness; otherwise it will get deformed during mould injection.  Can talk to our
designer for alternate solution.
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype 161111
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on November 11, 2016, 04:11:42 pm
20mm ammunition boxes (and MG ammo boxes) would be great (and something for the next stowage set).

That aside, they look great.

How easy will it be to add crew, one of the disadvantages of "open top" vehicles in miniature?
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype 161111
Post by: Rubicon Models on November 11, 2016, 04:24:47 pm
How easy will it be to add crew, one of the disadvantages of "open top" vehicles in miniature?

Adding crew is quite tricky, except for poses where he is sitting on top of the turret with legs tugged inside.
We have tried having crew sat inside manning the gun, but is basically impossible to assemble or rotate the
turret at all.  Even in real-life, it is difficult. We probably will have one crew sitting outside...
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype 161111
Post by: Yaquir on November 11, 2016, 05:06:14 pm
Great vehicle! And exact the right one for my Bolt action Westfeldzug army  :)
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype 161111
Post by: H0ffmn on November 11, 2016, 11:22:53 pm
It is a very good looking prototype indeed. The mesh over the top of the 222 turret though, most of the pictures that I've seen do not have the raised elongated d-shaped parts on top of the mesh that you show in your drawings and 3-D prototype. Will there be an option for the mesh screens over the 222 turret??
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype 161111
Post by: Rubicon Models on November 12, 2016, 12:02:13 am
It is a very good looking prototype indeed. The mesh over the top of the 222 turret though, most of the pictures that I've seen do not have the raised elongated d-shaped parts on top of the mesh that you show in your drawings and 3-D prototype. Will there be an option for the mesh screens over the 222 turret??

The d-shape parts are the support stand to strengthen the mesh screens when they are opened.
This is on most of the mesh screens that we have came across.
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype 161111
Post by: Swamprat33 on November 12, 2016, 03:00:06 am
Hi, Ive been researching the 222 quite a biy as i am adding detail to a 1/6 Armortek model.

There are not that many clear period pix of wartime 222 from this ange and not that many that clearly show the tops of the screens.

The nearest i have found is on Jaque Littlefield's restored 222, and in this case the d sdhaped pieces look to be finer and are attached on both sides of the screen.
Having said that, i am always very wary of features on restored AFVs.

Please take a look at the excellent Panzer Tracts series, and in this case, the Leichter PanzerSpaehwagen book which covers all the series from 221 through to 261.
This book does not mention these d shaped parts on the screens at all.

I certainly think that at present they are too coarse and dont look right.

Cheers

Tim
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype 161111
Post by: Pinky on November 12, 2016, 08:47:19 am
I agree about the D-shaped brackets being questionable. The Tankograd book has several clear photos of SdKfz 222 turrets and none show these.  The screens were held open by a vertical strut.  Were they perhaps a feature of late SdKfz 250/9s?

(https://s18.postimg.org/ltunn5lsl/IMG_20161112_0837225.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/ltunn5lsl/)

(https://s17.postimg.org/gbuffnzbf/IMG_20161112_0837423.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/gbuffnzbf/)

(https://s13.postimg.org/54vlk7z2b/IMG_20161112_0838193.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/54vlk7z2b/)

Also - what is the tubular object attached to the upper right side behind the turret?  I can't find any photos that show this.
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype 161111
Post by: Rubicon Models on November 12, 2016, 11:35:33 am
I agree about the D-shaped brackets being questionable. The Tankograd book has several clear photos of SdKfz 222 turrets and none show these.  The screens were held open by a vertical strut.  Were they perhaps a feature of late SdKfz 250/9s?

We can easily remove the d-shaped brackets before the actual mould production begins.
Will discuss with our research guys and designer on the subject further.


Also - what is the tubular object attached to the upper right side behind the turret?  I can't find any photos that show this.

Think that tubular object is a filter of some kind.  Saw that on some 222/223 photos.
Will look further...
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype 161111
Post by: Rubicon Models on November 12, 2016, 07:30:24 pm
Also - what is the tubular object attached to the upper right side behind the turret?  I can't find any photos that show this.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/Captured_SdKfz_223_in_NAfrica_1942_zpsxdtl8fu1.jpg)

Here is a photo with the what we suspected is an air filter of some sort on an SdKfz 223 in North Africa.
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype 161111
Post by: Pinky on November 12, 2016, 09:56:17 pm
I found another photo with the same fitting - this time an SdKfz 222 being unloaded in North Africa.  I remember this from the Tamiya SdKfz 223, and I see it's usually referred to as an air filter for desert use.  I assume this piece is optional?

(https://s17.postimg.org/3joosnaaz/d41361eb61e6e3b6176622a5212cfb0d.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/3joosnaaz/)
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype 161111
Post by: Rubicon Models on November 12, 2016, 10:21:20 pm
I found another photo with the same fitting - this time an SdKfz 222 being unloaded in North Africa.  I remember this from the Tamiya SdKfz 223, and I see it's usually referred to as an air filter for desert use.  I assume this piece is optional?

Yes, this part is optional.  We might remove it totally if the sprue layout is too crowded.
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype 161111
Post by: Pinky on November 13, 2016, 12:14:45 pm
The filter is probably more useful than the dish that's shown on your SdKfz 223 prototype.  I'd suggest including the big jerrycan rack for the front, plus a couple of jerrycans in brackets for the hull sides, the smoke grenade rack shown on one of your drawings, and some ammo boxes.  As well as the the various optional stowage boxes shown on your prototypes.
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype 161111
Post by: ripley on November 15, 2016, 11:51:50 pm
IRC the object on the rear of the turret of the 222 is the radio ariel ( sp ? )  base , as  the radio was located  in the rear of the turret . It was one of those small ones ., like under the dash board of the 251 . The tube on the side of the engine right would be some kind of pre filter for the air intake , probably a retro fit for the sand / dust found in Africa and Russia . The Stugs IIIs used in Africa got the same kind of up grades with filters on the rear fenders , IRC there was a Tropical version of Panzer III and IVs produced with better internal filters , I guess the cars had no room in the engine compartment for them
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype 161111
Post by: lou passejaire on December 07, 2016, 10:28:22 pm
the Sd.Kfz. 223 Funk Luftwaffe was used during the blitzkrieg period as a "ground correspondant" for the Henschel Hs 126 .
(https://i19.servimg.com/u/f19/13/75/67/21/sdkfz_11.jpg)
(https://i19.servimg.com/u/f19/13/75/67/21/sdkfz210.jpg)
working with the panzer divisions .

(https://i19.servimg.com/u/f19/13/75/67/21/cas_y210.jpg)

as you can see, without the "desert filter"  ;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype Painted 170211
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 11, 2017, 09:54:36 pm
It has been exactly 3 months without an update on this little beast!

Here is a painted prototype of the SdKfz 222... completed with full autocannon
assembly, rotatable and elevating gun, open or closed turret mesh, and options
to build a SdKfz 223 as well.  If sprue space is available, the kit will also be able
to build a SdKfz 260/261 too!  More photos to follow...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222%20Prototype%20Painted%20170211-00_zpsdqx0qhjs.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype Painted 170211
Post by: Pinky on February 11, 2017, 10:38:56 pm
Looks awesome. 
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype Painted 170211
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on February 11, 2017, 10:57:49 pm
Definitely want a number of those.
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype Painted 170211
Post by: ripley on February 11, 2017, 11:07:38 pm
Showing us both the Sherman M4A3 and this in the same day , too much awesomeness to take in at once .... :)
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype Painted 170211
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 11, 2017, 11:13:25 pm
Showing us both the Sherman M4A3 and this in the same day , too much awesomeness to take in at once .... :)

People had been complaining about us releasing too much teasers and not able to buy the actual kit.  We felt disturbed and distressed as we are not able to release these creations fast enough!  With design work going digital, the bottleneck had always been in mould making.  There is simply no other means to speed up the mould making process.  We can draw and print out projects at lightning speed, but will go nowhere without mould making...  Is a sad reality!

:(
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype Painted 170211
Post by: tyroflyer on February 12, 2017, 09:13:21 am
No complaints from me. I like to see what is in the pipeline. As a 1939 vehicle this one will be on my shopping list. 
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype Painted 170211
Post by: Captain Blood on February 12, 2017, 10:18:06 pm
Definitely want a number of those.

Me too  8)
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype Painted 170211
Post by: Yaquir on February 13, 2017, 05:03:27 pm
+1!
And better we get a really good, detailed modell than an anaccurate, loveless designed one with low detail grade. Take the time that you need  :)
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype Painted 170211
Post by: Jimmy_P on October 08, 2017, 05:36:03 pm

Nothing on this project for a while.... any news on when we might see it? Really want a few of these! :)
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype Painted 170211
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 08, 2017, 07:28:00 pm
Nothing on this project for a while.... any news on when we might see it? Really want a few of these! :)

Mould done, now awaiting testshot #1 to send over to the studio for test fitting and assembly.
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype Painted 170211
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on October 08, 2017, 10:59:56 pm
Yay!
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype Painted 170211
Post by: Jimmy_P on October 09, 2017, 06:10:52 pm
Nothing on this project for a while.... any news on when we might see it? Really want a few of these! :)

Mould done, now awaiting testshot #1 to send over to the studio for test fitting and assembly.

Awesome  :) Q1 2018 release then?
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype Painted 170211
Post by: Panzermad on November 20, 2017, 01:49:21 am
Great model, look forward to It's release!!
Re the D shape bar on the turret mesh discussed a page or 2 back, it was a 'back rest/support ' for crew when seated on edge of turret, it folded out towards rear of vehicle,  enclosing crew perched on edge.. the cylindrical air filter was usually on DAK vehicles so definitely ought to be an optional part :)

Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype Painted 170211
Post by: Tracks on November 20, 2017, 03:10:34 pm
Great work Rubicon!
I'm really looking forward to getting this kit.
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype Painted 170211
Post by: luminous_fish on January 25, 2018, 03:42:19 pm
Has there been any update on the progress of this kit published anywhere else? I know these things sometimes get referenced in other topics or on other sites from time to time!
Thanks
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype Painted 170211
Post by: Pinky on January 25, 2018, 06:00:43 pm
Check this out:

http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=688.0
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - 3D Prototype Painted 170211
Post by: luminous_fish on January 25, 2018, 07:55:55 pm
Ah, thanks for that. Not going to be Q1 2018 then, if they are still adjusting the moulds!
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - SdKfz 260/261 TS5 180221
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 21, 2018, 04:43:40 pm
Test shot (TS5) of our SdKfz 260/261 expansion kit for the upcoming SdKfz 222/223 plastic kit:

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222%20TS5%20180221-01_zpsddrafxnk.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222%20TS5%20180221-02_zpsak9zzxwq.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222%20TS5%20180221-03_zpsknlbb2dn.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222%20TS5%20180221-04_zps9kjbnerg.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222%20TS5%20180221-05_zpsveywtf3l.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222%20TS5%20180221-06_zpspxazgpqv.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - SdKfz 260/261 TS5 180221
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on February 21, 2018, 04:50:47 pm
Nice.

How are the mould changes going on the base kit?
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - SdKfz 260/261 TS5 180221
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 21, 2018, 04:55:12 pm
How are the mould changes going on the base kit?

The final changes had been completed and we are now in the final phase of approving the moulds. We are also working on the assembly instruction and decal set as well.
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - SdKfz 260/261 TS5 180221
Post by: Pinky on February 21, 2018, 05:18:48 pm
I'm a sucker for armoured cars, and German types especially, so this variant looks good.  I'm not sure if an unarmed signals vehicle has much utility in warhaming, so this is probably one for the modellers.  It will soon be possible to model an extensive group of German HQ vehicles - some cool diorama ideas there.
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - SdKfz 260/261 TS5 180221
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 21, 2018, 05:32:10 pm
The SdKfz 260/261 expansion kit is a simple 2 sprue kit (figure size version) in a blister pack.  It should be released together with the SdKfz 222/223 kit if production schedule is on time.  ;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - SdKfz 260/261 TS5 180221
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on February 21, 2018, 10:59:23 pm
A number of rules sets have command and radio vehicles as working parts of the unit, especially for early war forces as they are required for Off Table assets and to extend command ranges.

Possibly not for the generic BA reinforced platoon though.

And they are not as shiny as a tank ^__^.
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - SdKfz 260/261 TS5 180221
Post by: elias.tibbs on February 22, 2018, 01:57:17 am
I’m seeing a lot of people take specialised command units like this for tank platoons at my event. I guess it’s a cheaper option.
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - SdKfz 260/261 TS5 180221
Post by: Tracks on February 22, 2018, 02:13:34 am
These look good, but to be honest with you I'm really only hoping to order at least a couple of the 222 kits - hope this kit is to be released soon.  ;)

Test shot (TS5) of our SdKfz 260/261 expansion kit for the upcoming SdKfz 222/223 plastic kit:

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz%20222%20TS5%20180221-01_zpsddrafxnk.jpg)
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - Question?? 180426
Post by: Rubicon Models on April 26, 2018, 12:19:55 am
Can anyone give it an offical name for this piece of wire?
We know it is a bumper or fender guide...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20222/SdKfz_223_01_zps0zz5nikc.jpg)

Thanks!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - Question?? 180426
Post by: Jimmy_P on April 26, 2018, 12:26:40 am

No idea! But it looks ace! Particularly looking forward to this kit  8)

And that doesn't look like plastic on the wire mesh on the top of the turret...?!

Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - Question?? 180426
Post by: Captain Blood on April 26, 2018, 01:01:33 am
Width antennae?
(Sorry, that’s a guess, I don’t know the answer  ;D)
But I think that’s what they were there for....
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - Question?? 180426
Post by: Pinky on April 26, 2018, 01:15:06 am
They are usually referred to as “width indicators” or “width indicator poles”.  They were driving aids so the driver knew where the edges of the mudguards were.

I think this is a photo of a Tamiya SfKfz 223...
Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - Question?? 180426
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on April 26, 2018, 01:17:44 am
Best match I have found is "Width Marker"

There are examples on this page:
http://www.oldcaraccessories.com/kerbfeelers.htm (http://www.oldcaraccessories.com/kerbfeelers.htm)

Kerb feelers are the inverse of Width Markers, but they are on the same page.

[Edit] as Pinky said.

Title: Re: SdKfz 222/223/260/261 - Question?? 180426
Post by: Jimmy_P on April 26, 2018, 02:22:09 am

I think this is a photo of a Tamiya SfKfz 223...

Ah, doh!  :-[