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Rubicon Models => Wish Lists => Topic started by: Preda on September 15, 2014, 12:11:21 am
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I wish me a Stug :o
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with Tank war due next week, i am longing for a whole platoon of StuG IIIs. Should not be too hard to design, as Rubicon allready has the Panzer III. Should sell as well, as there is no plastic StuG available right not. And if you do them, do a F Variant as well please.
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Both Preda and MudDevlan wanted a StuG, here is a teaser for you both!
Even though we have a mid-war Panzer III, the StuG is basically a refined 3D model over the existing one; we have learned a lot since then! Was thinking about doing a F/F8/G combo, but they are so different in so many ways, we rather prefer to focus more on choices than variant for the StuG. We might do some earlier StuG III & Panzer III variants at a later stage.
The StuG is not the only project we are working on, so there are no fixed release schedule yet. THIS is also a good reason to become a member on this forum, this type of info won't be on FB or our website...
Mind you though, not all what you see on these drawings will be on the final product. Sprue space rules!!
Enjoy!
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I hate it to be put on the rack ;)
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thank you for the Teaser :)...really looking forward to this.
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This is WIP stuff, you can provide input on what you would like to see on the kit. We might be able to accommodate if the suggestion is viable. ;)
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Looks amazing from what i can see, only thing you maybe can do would be a seperate sprue for all tanks which contains Accessories.
I mean nearly all pictures you find from WW2 which show a Tank which has a loot of stuff attached to it, from Reservecanister for Fuel to Sleepingbacks :) I mean yeah, you can get that in Resin or Metal, but that would negate the major advantage of you product, being made of plastic :)
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Looks amazing from what i can see, only thing you maybe can do would be a seperate sprue for all tanks which contains Accessories.
I mean nearly all pictures you find from WW2 which show a Tank which has a loot of stuff attached to it, from Reservecanister for Fuel to Sleepingbacks :) I mean yeah, you can get that in Resin or Metal, but that would negate the major advantage of you product, being made of plastic :)
Accessories are something we are working on too! Seems like you guys (and gals) knew every moves we are taking... haha~
All these accessories are a bit small, making them for wargaming are very different from making them for modelling!
You also need lot of details on the bits, making them in plastic complicated the design for these small parts too!
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soo cool stugs!! ;)
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Hello Rubicon. I would echo the StuG III and suggest you have a look at The Plastic Soldier company as they have combined the F8 and G in one kit. Principal difference being the front upper hull.
To make a new suggestion, I would think Jagdpanzer IV both normal and "zwischelösung" would sell well. A very nice vehicle.
Also, perhaps a Nashorn/Hummel kit and a Marder IIIM/Grille M/Flakpanzer 38t as well!
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Porkmann: For the StuG III, it is true the F8 (03/42) and G (11/42) are very similar; but after 1942, the G had many feature changes that make us impossible to combine the F8/G into a single kit. The question is "Will the customers want a F8/G early production kit in the 1942 era" or "Will the customers wants a G that covers early/mid/late production (1942-44)"? Sadly, the Plastic Soldier version is in 15mm so they are able to "overlook" a lot of the details, we can't do that in 28mm.
There are some vehicles you had suggested are on our list, some are not. Will continue to monitor this wish list to adjust R&D schedule.
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The G version would be the best choise.
But I want to see the StuG IV in plastic. ;D
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Agreement to Mr.Steiner!
Stugs are Out there, but absolutely few StuGs IV wich are Way cooler than the IIIGs. Are you Planing them?
I Need 4-8 of them ;)
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Am I being censored or is this tablet messing me about?
Let's try again. A composite F8/G kit is not problematic if one splits the upper hull. The rear deck is the same the front different. The mantlet and gun is the same (monoblock and l/48) the differences between Gs are minimal even comparing the F8/G hybrid and late G. PSC did a very good job on theirs. Yes compromises are present but nothing too serious.
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Everything is possible, the question is how many sprues are needed, and each sprue rises the price for the master by a huge amount :(
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What's about JAGDPANTHER? :)
AFAIK Currently only warlord games provide this vehicle... but it's not correctly scaled, as well as their old resin Panther. ... the Panther is available soon, so I'll buy at least two of them :D
A JAGDPANTHER would be a nice addition to everyx late german army
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...and maybe u can use the track / hull section of the Panther kit... ?
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A JAGDPANTHER would be a nice addition to everyx late german army
100% signed!
A Rubicon Jagdpanther is a great idea! :)
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100% signed :)
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A Jagdpanther... had been bumped up on the LIST. Will keep you all posted on progress!
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Flakpanzers in general would be appreciated, Wirbelwinds, Ostwinds (& a Kugeblitz would be cool - yes I know only two were built) & mostly only require different turrets.
Also a plastic Hetzer would be great.
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What about the Tiger II? I hope it's already on the to-do list ;D
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What about the Tiger II? I hope it's already on the to-do list ;D
The Tiger II would be a challenge! The size of the tank with two turret variant to fit into 3 or even 4 (like the Tiger I) sprues is something that we need to look into! The Tiger II is something that we will do much later... after we had gain more experience with plastic production first!
;)
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Sturmpanzer IV Brummbar Sd. Kfz. 166
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A Stug III G would be an great kit to produce . Options could include Schutzen side skirts , the bolted or the so called Pig's Head cast mantlet and a choice of the 75 mm gun or the 105 mm howitzer , as both types of gun were mounted in both mantlets. . And if you want to get real rivet counter ::) , both versions of the loader hatch , opening front and rear or side to side , the roof mounted close - defence weapon and the remote control machine gun mount
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A Jagdt Tiger would be nice, so would some of the open topped Tanks: Nashorn, Hummel, werblewind etc.
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I like the Jagdpanther and Jagdtiger., the Hummel and Nahorn I would backup too.
I know that there where only a small number of prototype Maus tanks but they would make fine piece for a what if scenario
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Really liking the details on the StugIII G. The addition of pilsen etc. on the roof, separate shot deflector, smoke dischargers etc. along with the stowage rack (odd spare wheel placement there though) is great. Little details that make all the difference.
Any chance of a 'two-part' hatch too, with 'rabbit-ear' binoculars?
My vote is for the standard Jagdpanzer IV, ideally both the L/48 and L/70 versions in one box.
I'm interested in how feasible zimmerit is to produce? I image that it is almost impossible to do with standard two-part moulds without some horrible compromise (odd angles in the texture etc.) but perhaps easier on vehicles with larger flatter panels. Maybe even appliqué panels that can be added? Might take up a fair bit of sprue space though :)
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Well the Tiger II would have been my choice, it seems to be more a wish for 2016
What about the Tiger II? I hope it's already on the to-do list ;D
The Tiger II would be a challenge! The size of the tank with two turret variant to fit into 3 or even 4 (like the Tiger I) sprues is something that we need to look into! The Tiger II is something that we will do much later... after we had gain more experience with plastic production first!
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other vehicles that come to my mind would be, for both i know of no plastic kit by other companies. But would the demand for those be enough to justify a plastic kit? Most of "the" german vehicles are covered by your release. In general i can think only of a few that might be interesting in greater numbers (Tiger 2 as mentioned, 38(t) based vehicles (see below, my personal favorites) and maybe the Jagdpanzer IV (with l48 & l70 guns) others are much to rare to really justify a plastic kit (like a Ferdinand, Hummel (& Nashorn), etc.)
1. Sd.Kfz. 138/2 - Jagdpanzer 38(t) Hetzer (& Flammpanzer 38(t) Hetzer)
pro:
- mass produced (about 2500-3000, might not be as may as the StuG IIIG, but it was only produced during 1944-45)
- very good documentation about the vehicle
- fairly "easy" to make (maybe a 2 sprue kit?)
- some parts might be used for other kits (see below or a Panzer 38(t) when you go for early war kits)
- wargaming related: most likely a fairly cheap tank, so a gamer might field more than one or two
con:
- no variants except the flammpanzer
(- demand? can't comment on that though - personally i love the hetzer)
2. Sd.Kfz. 138 Marder III Ausf. M & Sd.Kfz.138/1 Grille (15cm Schweres Infanteriegeschuetz 33/1 auf Panzerkampfwagen 38(t) Ausf. M)
pro:
- plenty of common parts except gun (and ammunition storage); only for version M though
- fairly good documentation
- wargamig related: dual purpose kit, it serves very different need if i could be produced in a kombi kit (artillery & AT)
(- maybe there is a possibility for a Flakpanzer 38(t) in there as well, but the supersturcture is different (gun shield) and this would increase the number of parts even further)
con:
- fair complex kit, but you might learn from the Sd.Kfz. 250
- not really a common vehicles "Marder III M" about 900-1200 built, "Grille M"about 300 built
(- demand? Certainly not as high as a Hanomag, but for a lot gamers the combination in the kit could be attractive)
All of those are vehicles id love to see (until i get a Tiger 2)
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One more vote for a Hetzer and/or a Pz38-based Marder/flakpanzer kit, as well as Jagdpanzer IV.
If you do an accessory sprue, take a look and see if you can include a star antenna for the command vehicles. Not sure it's doable in plastic but a nice way to depict a command tank.
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I like have a Jagdpanzer IV /L70 or a Nashorn, or a Hetzer
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I would like to see a early Panzer lll. You could model a lllE thru an early lllJ with optional gun mantles, guns, a short 50mm, long 50mm and a 37mm, two options for rear armor for the lll E thru the lllJ and the lllJ itself, optional transmission covers, optional shock absorbers and optional drive sprockets and rear idlers, similar to what Plastic Soldier Company has done with their Panzer lllE thru lllH
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I would like to see a early Panzer lll. You could model a lllE thru an early lllJ with optional gun mantles, guns, a short 50mm, long 50mm and a 37mm, two options for rear armor for the lll E thru the lllJ and the lllJ itself, optional transmission covers, optional shock absorbers and optional drive sprockets and rear idlers, similar to what Plastic Soldier Company has done with their Panzer lllE thru lllH
You could then cover from every front from 1939 up to at least 1943
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Dont do any german vechicles now. Start doing some US or GB asap!
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I like have the "Neubaufahrzeug", sdkfz 231, sdkfz 232
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Hey, I'd like to suggest something else really.
As far as tanks are awesome, not only them were part of the battlefield. So I would like to plant an idea of doing a vehicle that saw service through the whole war, on every front. It also was quite small, so I have a feeling you guys at Rubicon could fit it on like two sprues.
What am I talking about? Why, SdKfz 222 of course.
- There were a lot of this biult, and it is also very well documented, so finding data, dimensions etc. should be on the easier side.
- Pretty much everyone needs this vehicle, wether it is a modeller who wants to make a diorama with this popular armoured car, or a gamer, needing a reconaissance vehicle in his army. I admit i'm not an expert on the market, but common sense hints it would sell really good (especially if you guys would indeed fit it in 2 sprues, thus reducing the cost compared to wonderful tank kits you already make).
- You could make more than just a 222 with almost no changes. Making SdKfz. 223 and 260 would require different vehicle's top and a new MG turret (for 223), and that's it. Still the 222 should be a main focus as vast majority of people would like just that, not a weird comms variant.
- No one does an SdKfz. 222 in plastic, and it doesn't seem someone would start soon. So there's a niche.
I know at this point you guys have far more German vehicles released, than any other nation's, but please consider this cute little armoured car, as for reasons stated above, I think it would be a good move on your side.
Nonetheless, Im very grateful for what you guys done so far, please keep up the good - wait no - fantastic work :)
Cheers, pmbk out!
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I like the SdKfz 222 as well, but its importance declined as the war went on because its off-road performance was poor. They were pretty rare by the middle of the war. I suspect a kit of some of the 8-wheeler variants would be more useful and more popular.
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I agree completely!
Although I never said it was the most universal or best-for-the-job armoured car of German Army. I only said that there were a lot of these built, and saw service throughout the whole war. Sure the later the war, the less of them saw action, and there were better vehicles developed (234 series), but still the versatility is what speaks for this car. And that is the reason I think it would be a good move for Rubicon, as their models have to, no matter how gorgeous or niche they are, simply sell. And I can't imagine it not selling (although I might be wrong, as I said earlier I'm not an expert on miniatures market, but that is for Rubicon to determine).
So Rubicon, what do you think about that?
pmbk out!
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I like the SdKfz 222 as well, but its importance declined as the war went on because its off-road performance was poor. They were pretty rare by the middle of the war. I suspect a kit of some of the 8-wheeler variants would be more useful and more popular.
They were still quite numerous by 1944, often paired with 8-wheelers in recon units. The HJ division for instance had both SdKfz 222's and 232's in the Panzerspähkompanie of their PanzerAufklärungabteilung. However, Warlord does a 222 in resin, so maybe a 232 would be a better choice. Yet, a good 222 kit with a few different options could be used from 1939 to 1945 on all fronts.
The 6-wheelers though were strictly early war.
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I did a google search for SdKfz 222, just to see if I could find any late war pics.
Here's one in Italy, january 1944
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/IWM-NA-11444-SdKfz-222-Italy-19440125.jpg)
Here's one from Carentan, belonging to 17th SS panzer.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7343/9985530426_ff8cf0bb96.jpg)
(In case hotlinking doesn't work above, the original is also here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kruegerrossi/9985530426/in/pool-1905359@N20-58422024@N04 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/kruegerrossi/9985530426/in/pool-1905359@N20-58422024@N04)
So they were present, and used, to the end of the war.
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I fully second the idea of flak versions of pz iv... They are super cool vehicles and also good game wise.. You will perhaps reuse most of your pziv sprues or add a third sprue to the pziv to get these vehicles so one can have both versions...
Also hetzer is super cool and useful and the idea of pz 38 based tank hunters and sp guns is great...
I definitely want also the sd 250 neu
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For German tanks, I would variants of the 38t would be great and lend themselves nicely to multi-kit options. (The Czech company SDV Model has done a lovely series of kits in 1/87 re-using the chassis parts in each one.)
The cutest one which I would absolutely have to get is the recon tank 140/1 with the 222 turret ^,^
http://www.sdvmodel.cz/index.php?page=shop.product_details&product_id=39&flypage=garden_flypage.tpl&pop=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=53&lang=ru (http://www.sdvmodel.cz/index.php?page=shop.product_details&product_id=39&flypage=garden_flypage.tpl&pop=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=53&lang=ru)
(And of course the 222 turret would lend itself to doing the 222 itself, and the 250/9 halftrack which would also be irresistibly cute; and while not in the tank category, if you had a 250 variety of kits, I'ld have to build a whole Recon force with them!)
But back to the 38t variants, a Marder/Grille multi-kit would be very nice, and of course a Hetzer, and even options for the Flakpanzer model.
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Just be aware that the SdKfz 250/9 neu had a redesigned turret. Only the alte had the same turret as the Sd.Kfz 222.
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Indeed, the older decagonal turret was used only on SdKfz 222 and SdKfz 250/9 (alt). The new hexagonal turret though, was mounted on most of the vehicles you mentioned, like SdKfz 234/1, SdKfz 250/9 (neu), SdKfz 251/23, SdKfz 140/1.
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The Jagdpanzer IV line would be a good for multi version kit with it's different and armored skirts and 75mm gun production types.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pEQLRa8CJ3k/UiuwJXEXmpI/AAAAAAAAAXA/q2UWXw8j074/s1600/Jagdpanzer+IV+jagdpanzerivronvolstad.jpg)
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It would be nice to see an Elefant/Ferdinand.