Rubicon Models
Rubicon Models => Work In Progress => Topic started by: Rubicon Models on May 01, 2019, 05:43:13 pm
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Something not for wargamers but still can be used as an objective!
"Karl-Gerät" (040/041), also known as Mörser Karl, was a WW2 German self-propelled siege mortar (Mörser) designed and built by Rheinmetall. Its heaviest munition was a 60cm (24") diameter, 2,170kg shell, and the range for its lightest shell of 1,250kg was just over 10km (6.2mi). Each gun had to be accompanied by a crane, a two-piece heavy transport set of railcars, and several modified tanks to carry shells.
This will be a Limited Edition resin & pewter kit. The model vehicle itself (in firing mode) is about 20cm(L) x 5.7cm(W) x 7.9cm(H), that's 8" x 2.3" x 3.3". No price info yet as it is still in 3D drawings. Two variants can be built:
Gerät 040: original model, armed with a short 600 millimetres (24 in) calibre barrel;
Gerät 041: later model, armed with a long (L/11.55) 540 millimetres (21 in) calibre barrel.
We might add a Munitionsschlepper to the project if time permits.
(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Resin/Karl-Geraet%20040-041%20190505-1_zpsrmbyixah.jpg)
(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Resin/Karl-Geraet%20040-041%20190505-2_zpsopl4ohjc.jpg)
(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Resin/Karl-Geraet%20040-041%20190505-3_zps3x8quelx.jpg)
(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Resin/Karl-Geraet%20040-041%20190505-4_zps3c7cvtrj.jpg)
(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Resin/Karl-Geraet%20040-041%20190505-5_zpshhfyah6d.jpg)
Enjoy!
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Cool subject. Usual reservations about metal and resin, but obviously has to be a limited production kit.
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Very cool . Anybody make modern day looking civilian 1/56 figures ? I can see using this thing in a Kublinka Museum diorama , sitting next to the Maus . Probably going to have to sell a kidney to get one though ….
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Cool project, I could certainly see one as an objective in a game - or as a large (and no doubt expensive) scenery piece.
Ripley - O gauge railway figures are probably the closest (possibly a little large) & certainly the easiest to get hold of (I believe S gauge might in fact be a better match, but they're harder to find). Woodland Scenics and Noch have reasonable ranges.
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That is the level of insanity usually reserved for Rich H on Lead Adventures.
That is going to be some centre piece.
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Just remembered that Wargames Factory made civilian male and female plastic sets , for their zombie game . If I get rid of the gun hands they could work as museum visitors as the poses aren't too action oriented . So many ideas
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That is the level of insanity usually reserved for Rich H on Lead Adventures.
That is going to be some centre piece.
“Rich, build a T95.. build a T95.. build a T95”
*rich builds a T95*
I can be a bad influence sometimes!
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Out of curiosity, how big was the crew for this thing?..
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Rubicon, why would you waste you time and resources on this monstrosity, when that time and resources could be spent on more useful projects?
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Elias , the info I found says crew of 21 . What they do and where there are situated on the gun I have no idea . In action pictures show 3 or 4 guys on the side platforms ramming the ammo , plus there's a driver to move this thing , very slowly . Probably a crew of 2 or 3 on each of the munition panzers , probably a platoon of guys to help get this thing on it's railroad carriages or to break it down and put it on the multi wheeled hi way trailers . And I would think it would have security and a couple of anti aircraft type support units attached
Picture from contents page Encyclopedia German Tanks
(https://i.postimg.cc/NKTFxXLz/IMG-20190501-171730693.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NKTFxXLz)
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Rubicon, why would you waste you time and resources on this monstrosity, when that time and resources could be spent on more useful projects?
We have to stress once again we are a design studio working hard to diversify based on our digital work training and experiences. We now have 3 different teams of people responsible for various design tasks - plastic products, resin products, and digital sculpting. All trainees or new staff must start with resin products to get themselves accustomed to all aspects of parts and component designs before they can be transferred to plastic product design (which is another skill level). Without proper training, there will never be a good plastic product.
All trainees will start with something small, then moving up to projects with larger size and more complicated subjects... and we can assure you the LCM(3) or the Karl-Gerät have not reached the monstrosity we are hoping for!
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I shouldn't like it ………….but I do!
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and we can assure you the LCM(3) or the Karl-Gerät have not reached the monstrosity we are hoping for!
The mind boggles, what do you intend, something warship class.
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DORA ?
(https://i.postimg.cc/6ybY8H7X/Dora.png) (https://postimg.cc/6ybY8H7X)
OOPs , wrong Dora
(https://i.postimg.cc/BLN2d6H0/DORA.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BLN2d6H0)
Ah , that's more like it
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Something like this could also be the chance for you to start diversifying in scales... I can't imagine buying one of these (or anything bigger!) in 1/56. 1/100 however... 8)
A 1/100 or TT Gauge DORA would be amazing.
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DORA ?
(https://i.postimg.cc/6ybY8H7X/Dora.png) (https://postimg.cc/6ybY8H7X)
OOPs , wrong Dora
(https://i.postimg.cc/BLN2d6H0/DORA.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BLN2d6H0)
Ah , that's more like it
I do have a 1:56 gustav in MDF...
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Interesting Elias . Have you started building it yet ? And how big is it going to be when finished ?
Jimmy , there are a few Doras in1/72 ( Trumpeter & Hasegawa IRC ) , and some mad fool of a company makes one in 1/35 scale . Its about 8 feet long when built . There was a nice set of pictures of a built one in a diorama ( about 18 feet long ! ) a couple of years ago on Armorama I think . It was totally awe inspiring .
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and we can assure you the LCM(3) or the Karl-Gerät have not reached the monstrosity we are hoping for!
The mind boggles, what do you intend, something warship class.
They had hinted something special for the up coming D-Day anniversary, and maybe now you gave then an idea.
Maybe now they are thinking about doing a warship of some type (a support ship at D-Day) project. ;D
We have to stress once again we are a design studio working hard to diversify based on our digital work training and experiences. We now have 3 different teams of people responsible for various design tasks - plastic products, resin products, and digital sculpting. All trainees or new staff must start with resin products to get themselves accustomed to all aspects of parts and component designs before they can be transferred to plastic product design (which is another skill level). Without proper training, there will never be a good plastic product.
I have read and understand why they started that big resin project. If Rubicon Models is looking for big, bigger, and biggest projects, why not something like a 1:56 scale armored train?
For sure, a good 1:56 scale armored train will be much more welcome or wanted (selling more) than a 1:56 scale Karl-Gerät 040/041.
(https://www.flamesofwar.com/Portals/0/all_images/Historical/Blitzkrieg/Polish-Train-Service-02.jpg)
The picture above shows a 1:100 (15mm).
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Interesting Elias . Have you started building it yet ? And how big is it going to be when finished ?
Jimmy , there are a few Doras in1/72 ( Trumpeter & Hasegawa IRC ) , and some mad fool of a company makes one in 1/35 scale . Its about 8 feet long when built . There was a nice set of pictures of a built one in a diorama ( about 18 feet long ! ) a couple of years ago on Armorama I think . It was totally awe inspiring .
Yes I have thought about getting one in 1/72 but its then too small for 28mm and too big for 15mm - and whilst it could just be a display piece fundamentally the issue is storage space! I already have many many (many many) boxes of models, like most on here I suspect, and not sure I could justify the room the Karl-Gerät (or anything bigger) would take up in 1/56!
Agreed an armoured train would be good too!
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They had hinted something special for the up coming D-Day anniversary, and maybe now you gave then an idea.
Maybe now they are thinking about doing a warship of some type (a support ship at D-Day) project.
Not really - they don't seem to have any actual plans for a D-Day special.
I have read and understand why they started that big resin project. If Rubicon Models is looking for big, bigger, and biggest projects, why not something like a 1:56 scale armored train?
That's a great idea. And actually more useful than a siege gun, at least for wargaming. Both German and Soviet trains would be very cool.
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I was reading the rview of this a while back.
https://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/products/railgun-gladiator-ww11-railgun-or76boom02 (https://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/products/railgun-gladiator-ww11-railgun-or76boom02)
I wonder what the market for that is like
Of course if Rubicon have done the development for a 1/56 scale model, they have the opportunity to reuse it for, say 1/87 for one of the model railway companies.
On the subject of armoured trains, what gauge would you suggest? In "true scale", the track would need to be custom at 25.6mm (27mm for Soviet lines). If you used HO/OO the track would be less than metre gauge and O gauge is five foot ten and a bit. There are a couple of European metre gauge track systems around "O Gauge" scales (but not O - quarter inch - scale).
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Rubicon, why would you waste you time and resources on this monstrosity, when that time and resources could be spent on more useful projects?
Because it's awesome!
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Munitionsschlepper PzKpfw IV Ausf F, Ammunition transporter/loader for the Mörser KARL-Gerät 040/041, is almost done
Once the eDrawings are approved, we will start the prototyping. Can't wait to see the final product... another Limited Edition release!
(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Resin/Munitionsschlepper%20190517-2_zpsbuivjcyj.jpg)
(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Resin/Munitionsschlepper%20190517-1_zpsfju0h2at.jpg)
Enjoy!
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Rubicon, why would you waste you time and resources on this monstrosity, when that time and resources could be spent on more useful projects?
Because it's awesome!
Because they can. “Look at what we can do” is a great message the the other manufacturers.
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Rubicon, why would you waste you time and resources on this monstrosity, when that time and resources could be spent on more useful projects?
Because it's awesome!
Because they can. “Look at what we can do” is a great message the the other manufacturers.
Yes, you are correct.Rubicon can do whatever they'd like . It may be a great 'Look what we can do' message to other manufacturers of 1/56 scale miniatures. But, 1/56 is a wargame scale. I myself would rather see Rubicon spend their time and resources on useable 1/56 scale kits, and to speed up the manufacturing process and release time of kits on their list of future releases.
I feel that they would make more money on say an M4A4 Sherman, a Panzer 2, a Sdkfz 11,another British truck,any Italian or French armor than what they would on an armored train or huge tracked mortar, but then again, ultimately it is Rubicon's decision ,and just my opinion.
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Rubicon, why would you waste you time and resources on this monstrosity, when that time and resources could be spent on more useful projects?
Because it's awesome!
Because they can. “Look at what we can do” is a great message the the other manufacturers.
It is a great message to commercial customers as well, we have to remember that Rubicon Models does more than make our toys, they make stuff for others as well.
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This looks to be one of those projects assigned to a new group of people to see what they can do.
Perhaps someone else is making a KARL. They would of course need multiple Munitionsschlepper.
It's an interesting piece.
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Both the Munitionpanzer IV and the Gerat 040/041 are very , very niche kits in this mostly war game scale . But if Rubicon can make a profit on these pieces , more power to them . Are they things that are on my list of WW2 vehicles and tanks I want to build ? No . Are they cool as hell looking vehicles ? Oh yeah . The price point for the Grerat will be the decider in my case , unless I win the lottery course , then I'll field all 6 combat vehicles . But , if the spare cash turns up , I can see either a Kublinka diorama with one of these things posed next to the Maus , or a scenic base diorama with a couple of Munitionpanzers and a bunch of troops .
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Talking big scale Doras, this one just about is the last word http://www.vonabt.co.uk/models/Dora/DoraBuild.htm
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This is our Munitionsschlepper IV Ausf F prototype. This upcoming resin/plastic kit can be assembled with the ammo container in open or closed position, and is highly detailed and faithfully reproduced like the real one. Will go well with our Karl-Gerät 040/041 kit.
(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Resin/Munitionsschlepper%20Prototype%20190530-01_zpsmqt9cwlg.jpg)
(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Resin/Munitionsschlepper%20Prototype%20190530-02_zpsi1dabcri.jpg)
(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Resin/Munitionsschlepper%20Prototype%20190530-03_zpsw6rgn55e.jpg)
(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Resin/Munitionsschlepper%20Prototype%20190530-04_zps3gfmwyhk.jpg)
(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Resin/Munitionsschlepper%20Prototype%20190530-05_zpss49ueaae.jpg)
Enjoy!
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Awesome.
The rounds might need a bit of smoothing.
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The rounds might need a bit of smoothing.
Those are low res output, will use a different printer for the final master. ;)
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The rounds might need a bit of smoothing.
Those are low res output, will use a different printer for the final master. ;)
I did think you would have that covered, but thought I would mention it.
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Gorgeous, but what do you think to producing a munitionsschlepper on the MkIII chassis - a more commonly used conversion with a number of uses? All it'd require is the resin parts for the upper hull, since you've got the ammo boxes covered on the stowage/accessories sprues.
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Question : will there be a choice of both ( 540mm or 600mm ) ammo types ?
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Question : will there be a choice of both ( 540mm or 600mm ) ammo types ?
YES! ;)
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So both kinds of ammo , that's great . Now I'm going to have to build both versions . Time to start raiding my grand children's piggy banks
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Just noticed this is going to be released soon!
So I thought I’d add to this old thread!
It would make a superb battlefield objective for gaming, perhaps some Warsaw partisans trying to disable it?
I shudder to think what this bad boy will cost though? 8)