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Rubicon Models => Work In Progress => Topic started by: Rubicon Models on May 22, 2016, 01:41:33 am

Title: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 TS2 Painted 190323
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 22, 2016, 01:41:33 am
With the SdKfz 250/251 3D drawing phase of the project coming to a close, we are wrapping up
the bits and pieces from these projects and come up with standalone versions of these AT guns!

These guns will probably come in a single sprue, and will include crews.  Objective of this new
offering is to attract customers to replace their not so up-to-standard white metal artillery with
our all plastic highly detailed alternatives; and to give customers choices when they are starting
a new army.

The first one is the PaK 36...
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK36%203D-Drawing%20160509-3_zps1xtnd8h7.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK36%203D-Drawing%20160509-2_zpsshq6th3v.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK36%203D-Drawing%20160509-1_zpsbokf3bzr.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160522
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 22, 2016, 01:42:47 am
...followed by the PaK 40!
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK40-160522-1_zpsfr2xmtaz.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK40-160522-2_zpsoezlii9v.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK40-160522-3_zpsqixmeuos.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK40-160522-4_zpsosjkyf7v.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK40-160522-5_zpshptjseuc.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160522
Post by: ripley on May 22, 2016, 03:49:30 am
These look really good  .Hope the crews are in good action poses .  IRC the 75mm Pak 40  only had wooden boxes  and the metal tubes for ammo . That metal box pictured  was only used with the 50mm Pak 38  . You can see them strapped on SdKfz 234/2  Puma fenders in Normandy era pictures . An honest mistake , in fact Tamiya still include one in their model kit .( Its from the mid 70s and they don't want to retool it  ::) )
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160522
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 22, 2016, 04:26:36 am
Nice.

I note the lower shield is raised on the 75mm towed version, should the 37mm tow also have the lower shield raised?
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160522
Post by: ripley on May 22, 2016, 04:49:50 am
The lower shield on the 37mm was raised as well when it was towed , should be an easy fix with a knife  . The tricky part will be cutting the upper part of the gun shield to fold down the  3 flaps . ( have done that with the Tamiya 1/35 scale Pak 36 ) . Sometimes I think I should just build kits straight out of the box , no kit bashing  ...  :o
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160522
Post by: Pinky on May 22, 2016, 10:10:05 am
The Pak 40 looks really good.  I didn't know about the ammo box point Ripley mentioned.  I'd suggest you put out the Pak 40 first - it will be much more useful.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160522
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 22, 2016, 11:58:05 am
I note the lower shield is raised on the 75mm towed version, should the 37mm tow also have the lower shield raised?

You have keen eyes!  Those are the details we are aiming for... so for the PaK36, yes!
;)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160522
Post by: Seret on May 22, 2016, 02:15:07 pm
How many crew per gun?
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160522
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 22, 2016, 03:06:47 pm
I note the lower shield is raised on the 75mm towed version, should the 37mm tow also have the lower shield raised?

You have keen eyes!  Those are the details we are aiming for... so for the PaK36, yes!
;)

Cool.

As is, it would function a bit like a road grader ^____^.

Having the rest of the shield fold prototypically is not so much an issue for me and would make it more complex to mould and build.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160522
Post by: stevepalffy on May 22, 2016, 05:15:22 pm
Cool !

88 and Sdkfz 7 next ?
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160522
Post by: johan on May 22, 2016, 06:21:23 pm
Cool !

88 and Sdkfz 7 next ?

Steve, I don't think these will come soon. the 37mm and 75mm gun projects are being considered because a large part of the gun is/will be available anyway through the 250/251 projects, this means just the wheels and trails would have to be made. This is not so for the 88mm or sdkfz 7. (Though I would like to see these as well)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160522
Post by: Yaquir on May 22, 2016, 07:24:47 pm
realy, realy good!
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160522
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 27, 2016, 06:10:30 pm
The core design team will be away to the UK Games Expo in Birmingham for a week
starting from coming Monday.  So no more updates until we are back!  Just leave
some eye candy here...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK36%20160526-1_zpsczjcb7lk.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK36%20160526-2_zpsxcgawhyo.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK36%20160526-4_zpst7ukzwo4.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK36%20160526-3_zpsti83iq1f.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK36%20160526-5_zpss9q7zb7u.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160623
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 23, 2016, 11:43:40 am
3D Prototype for the PaK 40 is now here!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK40%20160623-01_zpsy7d1pw4h.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK40%20160623-02_zps62aydxtw.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK40%20160623-03_zpslf69phrd.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK40%20160623-04_zpsfthghqfi.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK40%20160623-05_zpsz9ibjrhy.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK40%20160623-06_zpsue61rsxx.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK40%20160623-07_zpsp7prfee9.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK40%20160623-08_zpslh8qpxue.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160623
Post by: Pinky on June 23, 2016, 02:27:31 pm
Looks great to me.  I like the way you've suggested the double layered gunshield, and the stowed version of the baseplate. 

I'm much more interested in this than the Pak 36, and I think it will be very popular.  Your caption mentions "3 crews" - does this mean 3 different full crews or 3 figures?  I'd assume the latter, since a set of mid-war figures would pretty much cover things.  However, it would be nice to have a crew in the same sort of gear as Warlord's plastic Grenadiers.  They are very popular.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160623
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on June 23, 2016, 04:09:42 pm
Excellent.

I cannot wait to see the crew.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160624
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 24, 2016, 07:01:50 pm
To fill the "gap" between our PaK36 and PaK40 projects...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK97-38%20160624-01_zps4xmrx3d0.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK97-38%20160624-02_zps0wqayiqc.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK97-38%20160624-03_zpsoviquzms.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK97-38%20160624-04_zpsg2l6c9in.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK97-38%20160624-05_zpswfegvcgh.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK97-38%20160624-06_zpsxerb61v8.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160624
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on June 24, 2016, 07:52:54 pm
Nice.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160624
Post by: Pinky on June 25, 2016, 02:12:16 pm
Very cool.  The Pak 38 will also be very useful.  I hope this kit wI'll come with a DAK crew, as the Pak 38 was an important weapon in the desert war.

The ammo for the Pak 97/38 seems to have been supplied in wooden crates, not pressed metal boxes.  As Ripley pointed out before, it was the Pak 38's ammo which came in metal boxes.  So you'd need to supply both types.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160624
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 26, 2016, 04:28:03 pm
One question, guys: Do PaK have camo?

Saw some with in museum pictures, how about in the field?
I know some have camo when they are mounted on vehicles...
how about when used standalone??

;)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160624
Post by: stevepalffy on June 26, 2016, 05:44:22 pm
Yes lots of photos of camo applied to PAK....
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160624
Post by: H0ffmn on June 26, 2016, 11:06:35 pm
I hope that you will include the more solid pressed steel wheel on your upcoming Pak 38 /Pak 97/38 anti tank gun kit.From pictures, it seems to be more common than the open spoked wheel on the example that you have
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160624
Post by: Pinky on June 26, 2016, 11:15:19 pm
Anti-tank guns were painted the same colours as vehicles.  Up to the switchover to dark yellow in early 1943, all of these guns would have been painted dark grey (the Pak 36 would have had a red-brown camo pattern in the intial year or so of the war).  They were often whitewashed in winter - usually very roughly.  Otherwise, they were camouflaged with foliage or even mud (common in the early states of the desert war).  Guns in service with the DAK were eventually painted brown yellow, although not always uniformly (a rough spray over the dark grey wasn't unusual).

With the change to dark yellow, all equipment was repainted, but it took time.  Crews often applied camo patterns to Pak guns - after all, camouflage was probably even more vital for an anti-tank gun than it was for a vehicle.  As a rule, they tended to be quite basic schemes (often just a quick sprayed pattern of either green or red-brown), but you do see some more elaborate 3-colour schemes.  Guns serving in Panzer divisions seem to have been more likely to be properly camouflaged than guns serving in infantry divisions.  If the gun was towed by a half-track then it tended to be camouflaged the same way.

I found this (genuine) colour photo of some German heavy artillery captured in Tunisia.  It gives an idea of the kind of slapdash application of camo that was pretty common on towed guns (and the actual colours).
(https://s32.postimg.org/7xc860dr5/German_artillery.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/7xc860dr5/)

Here is a photo of a Pak 38 with a more elegantly applied camo pattern.
(https://s31.postimg.org/whj2806hz/Pak_38.gif) (https://postimg.org/image/whj2806hz/)

And here is a Pak 40 with another fairly typical camo pattern.
(https://s31.postimg.org/ax3ppl6xz/Pak_40.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/ax3ppl6xz/)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160624
Post by: Pinky on June 26, 2016, 11:17:32 pm
I hope that you will include the more solid pressed steel wheel on your upcoming Pak 38 /Pak 97/38 anti tank gun kit.From pictures, it seems to be more common than the open spoked wheel on the example that you have

Agreed.  Knowing Rubicon, they'll provide both!

Also, I just realised that the Pak 38 had an additional wheel that was attached to the trails to make it easier to move the gun.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160624
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 27, 2016, 11:57:40 am
Also, I just realised that the Pak 38 had an additional wheel that was attached to the trails to make it easier to move the gun.

Yes, there is an extra wheel; but we are omitting it intentionally due to technical issues; knowing not too many will model it as being towed.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160624
Post by: ripley on June 28, 2016, 04:30:42 am
Actually the third wheel was mounted on the spade end of the trail and used by crews to move the gun manually . It was dismounted and bolted to the trail when the gun was towed by a vehicle
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160630
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 30, 2016, 09:04:02 pm
With the PaK 97/38 done, here is the remaining PaK 38 3D drawings...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2038%20eDrawing%20160630-1_zpsl3cwxq0x.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2038%20eDrawing%20160630-2_zpsxok215b5.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2038%20eDrawing%20160630-3_zpszf7wykyy.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2038%20eDrawing%20160630-4_zpsabnllqke.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2038%20eDrawing%20160630-5_zpsikkv0xiq.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - A spin-off from our SdKfz 250/251 Project - 160630
Post by: stevepalffy on June 30, 2016, 10:40:08 pm
Looking good
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 36 Crew Sculpts 160730
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 30, 2016, 08:03:42 pm
Here is the preliminary test sculpts for the PaK 36!

Decided to do 5 crew instead of just 3 to suit different needs
- gaming or modelling or both!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK%2036%20Crew%203D%20Sculpt%20160730-01_zpsw2392nws.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK%2036%20Crew%203D%20Sculpt%20160730-02_zpsqnojkpaq.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20PaK%2036%20Crew%203D%20Sculpt%20160730-03_zpsbebmbw6n.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 36 Crew Sculpts 160730
Post by: airborne on July 31, 2016, 02:55:33 am
You people have a real talent in making great models, and making me spend more money. I`m certain I said I would just go the occasional  axis item. Mainly buying just U.S.A. joke the first I brought was your Tiger. These are so brilliant for models or wargame.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 36 Crew Sculpts 160730
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 31, 2016, 11:41:35 am
Team work plays an important role to make great products!  When we first
started almost two years ago, it was 5 people; and over this period, we have
expanded the team to 9 (mostly sculptors).  With the studio expansion later
this month, hopefully we will have a dozen to keep up with all the projects
on hand.

Unlike most manufacturers, we tend to be very open about our work.  We
wanted customers to share our experience, and by going through the design
process - from concept to prototype to final product - you can all feel the
love we had put into each product! 

And with your comments and feedback, we are able to pick up things and
details that we had missed or screwed up.  Something we really cherished
and appreciated.

We think 1/56 scales is a perfect scale for both wargaming and modelling.
Even though we are (almost) the only one out there that actively promoting
plastic vehicles in this scale, we do hope other players will join in to make
market expand faster!


Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 36 Crew Sculpts 160730
Post by: Pinky on July 31, 2016, 12:47:45 pm
That's a good group of figures.  Natural poses and I like that they're not wearing too much gear.  If I was being super picky, I'd say their uniforms look a bit loose-fitting for early war Germans (although I realise they're deliberately 'chunky), and perhaps they should be crouching more, to reflect this gun's very short range...
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 36 Crew Sculpts 160730
Post by: Yaquir on August 05, 2016, 06:27:56 pm
Very good group! And i also think the uniforms looks a bit loose-fitting; looks more like american then german fit-style  ;)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 36 Crew Sculpts 160730
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on August 05, 2016, 08:39:45 pm
One of the kneeling figures (hand on leg, hand on floor) does seem to have prominent piping on his sleeves.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - Gun Crew 160905
Post by: Rubicon Models on September 05, 2016, 08:27:13 pm
When we design our PaK gun crew, we pay special attention so that
customers will have their choice with or without figure basing for
gaming or diorama use! We really care!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/Gun%20Crew%20160905-1_zpswjuqeppq.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - Gun Crew 160905
Post by: ripley on September 05, 2016, 09:29:24 pm
Nice variety of figures / poses .  Amazing how  a different set of arms can change the look of a figure . Lots of potential for uses as troops other than Artillery . Will these be a separate blister pack or just come with the gun kit ?
Title: Re: German AT Guns - Gun Crew 160905
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on September 10, 2016, 07:08:20 pm
They look good.

Now we need someone to supply a suitable base for the AT guns, "triangular" with curved rather than angular corners. The problem is that all the different guns will have different lengths and widths.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - Gun Crew 160905
Post by: elias.tibbs on September 10, 2016, 09:15:10 pm
I like oval bases for artillery.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - Gun Crew 160905
Post by: MassRager on September 11, 2016, 05:36:11 pm
I like oval bases for artillery.

same, the Rendra ones work well for boltaction Ive found
Title: Re: German AT Guns - Gun Crew 160905
Post by: Ballardian on September 11, 2016, 08:20:05 pm
Excellent looking gun & crew, always nice to be able to replace fragile & chip-prone pewter. I agree that oval bases are currently the best choice for basing guns but ultravanillasmurf's suggestion of cake wedge shaped bases is a good one.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - Gun Crew 160905
Post by: elias.tibbs on September 11, 2016, 10:55:34 pm
I like oval bases for artillery.

same, the Rendra ones work well for boltaction Ive found

Same, although I use 60mm round bases for the smaller ones and the renedra one wasn't big enough for my long Tom!
Title: Re: German AT Guns - Gun Crew 160905
Post by: Pinky on September 12, 2016, 10:21:40 am
Just wanted to join with everyone else who likes these.  The figures look better than the Pak 36 crew.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - Gun Crew 160905
Post by: Klank on November 15, 2016, 11:47:18 am
Nice set of light and medium AT guns for sure. I'll be getting them for my Germans when they come out.

How abut a little discussion on some heavy AT guns for down the road like the 88mm Pak 43/41?

(https://s13.postimg.org/g3dssk283/PAK43gun31_1.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/g3dssk283/)

(https://s17.postimg.org/z5h0ara57/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101_I_698_0038_07_Russland_8.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/z5h0ara57/)

And then there's the king daddy of them all... the 12.8 cm PaK 44 there were two versions made n limited numbers.

(https://s15.postimg.org/e920c9u1j/Krupp_K_44_2.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/e920c9u1j/)

(https://s21.postimg.org/67hq2qioz/kanone44.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/67hq2qioz/)

I don't know about the rest of you folks but I would most defiantly get this model in 1/56 if only to have it.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - Gun Crew 161126
Post by: Rubicon Models on November 26, 2016, 09:35:24 am
AT gun crew prototype painted. There will be 3 sets of gun crew available
the our upcoming plastic PaK 36/38/40 AT guns.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/Gun%20Crew%20Painted%20161125-1_zpsvie0ltrk.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/Gun%20Crew%20Painted%20161125-2_zpsrrskoqtn.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/Gun%20Crew%20Painted%20161125-3_zpszunf8co9.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/Gun%20Crew%20Painted%20161125-4_zps3vsewznu.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - Gun Crew 161126
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on November 26, 2016, 04:18:49 pm
Very good.

My only comment is the position of the binoculars,  I do not have a pair to hand but without a strap the position looks a bit awkward to hold for any length of time.

Similar open ammunition boxes for the tank guns would be nice for diorama (rather than stowage) sets.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - Gun Crew 161126
Post by: Pinky on November 26, 2016, 08:22:31 pm
That's a pretty common position for binoculars on figures.  I agree it would be hard to maintain, but I think the idea is that he has just lowered them in order to gesture dramatically towards the enemy. 

I like the uncluttered look of the crew; the poses seem sensible (although anti-tank crews crouched rather than stood, as a rule) and the detail seems sharp.  Only the heads look a bit rough.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - Gun Crew 161126
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on November 26, 2016, 10:21:12 pm
What would be nice is some pictures viewing the model from a more horizontal angle.

As you say crews would be crouching rather than standing.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 36 TS1 Plastic 161212
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 12, 2016, 11:42:13 am
PaK 36 TS1 Plastic finally arrived...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2036%20TS1%20Plastic%20161208-01_zpseqsmczzz.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2036%20TS1%20Plastic%20161208-02_zps58to7omx.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2036%20TS1%20Plastic%20161208-04_zpso57n2wtp.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2036%20TS1%20Plastic%20161208-05_zpspjrupdhb.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2036%20TS1%20Plastic%20161208-03_zpsnb97ddr0.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2036%20TS1%20Plastic%20161208-06_zpsz2xyn3kg.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2036%20TS1%20Plastic%20161208-07_zpsh4vxpdxa.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 36 TS1 Plastic 161212
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on December 12, 2016, 05:08:02 pm
Excellent.

Are there only the ammo boxes for vehicle interiors (blocks of  five or six)? I could not see any individual ones (which I would assume would be more likely for the field guns.

So what would be a common tow for this AT gun?
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 36 TS1 Plastic 161212
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 12, 2016, 05:44:30 pm
Are there only the ammo boxes for vehicle interiors (blocks of  five or six)? I could not see any individual ones (which I would assume would be more likely for the field guns.

From research, the ammo boxes are the same.  Did not have individual ones because they are too small as a single part.


So what would be a common tow for this AT gun?

Any halftracks and trucks.  We might even have some new trucks coming... ;)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 36 TS1 Plastic 161212
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on December 12, 2016, 06:53:01 pm
Thanks
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 36 TS1 Plastic 161212
Post by: ripley on December 12, 2016, 10:13:03 pm
Looks really good . You could separate the row of ammo boxes with a hobby razor saw ( 1-2 mm thick blade , 32-64 teeth per inch ) if you wanted to show a crew on the ground in action . That's what I'm going to do  :D
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 36 TS1 Plastic 161212
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on December 12, 2016, 11:05:37 pm
Looks really good . You could separate the row of ammo boxes with a hobby razor saw ( 1-2 mm thick blade , 32-64 teeth per inch ) if you wanted to show a crew on the ground in action . That's what I'm going to do  :D

That is a good idea.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 36 TS1 Primed 161217
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 17, 2016, 04:51:32 pm
A detail look at what the PaK 36 plastic kit will be like!
No release date yet as we are still working on the additional gun crew.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2036%20TS1%20Primed%20161216-02_zpsznay5os5.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2036%20TS1%20Primed%20161216-01_zpswdldf8wk.jpg)

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(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2036%20TS1%20Primed%20161216-04_zpswcvzw8d7.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 36 TS1 Primed 161217
Post by: Yaquir on December 17, 2016, 06:09:57 pm
looks excellent!
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 36 TS1 Primed 161217
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on December 23, 2016, 04:59:14 pm
Very nice.

I guess the vehicle mount gun is usable for the Universal carriers based self propelled gun.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 36 Painted Crew 161231
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 31, 2016, 01:33:15 pm
PaK 36 AT gun crew painted - We have two sets of figures available.
One set for 25mm based poses and the other for without bases.
Figures in both sets can be interchanged for variety too!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2036%20TS1%20Painted%20161223-01_zps8ammbil2.jpg)

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Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 36 Painted Crew 161231
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on December 31, 2016, 04:40:57 pm
They look good.

The labelling is a bit odd, a number of the pictures say 25mm bases, they all appear to be on big bases unless you have branched out to 6mm scale and the gun is on a 25mm base.

Saying that Forge World once did 6mm scale multipart wombles.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 36 Painted Crew 161231
Post by: ripley on December 31, 2016, 10:04:59 pm
Great looking figures , Hopefully available as a separate pack as they will convert nicely to regular Infantry by adding BA bits from the parts box .  Are you going to supply them with canteens , bread bags , ammo pouches , etc , or just leave them " naked " of personal gear ?
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 36 Painted Crew 161231
Post by: elias.tibbs on January 01, 2017, 01:31:53 am
They look good.

The labelling is a bit odd, a number of the pictures say 25mm bases, they all appear to be on big bases unless you have branched out to 6mm scale and the gun is on a 25mm base.

Saying that Forge World once did 6mm scale multipart wombles.

I think they mean the crew would fit on a 25mm base if needed.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 36 Painted Crew 161231
Post by: Captain Blood on January 03, 2017, 02:22:54 am
The gun looks superb.

The figures, being honest, do not look quite right. The arms look too long, and the uniforms look too baggy - I think the creases are too over-exaggerated, making these figures look like they are wearing great big, loose sack type clothing. Sorry to be critical. I admire your ambition, but I think making good looking miniatures using digital sculpting is a lot more difficult than making good looking hardware, equipment and vehicles... I'm sure the quality of figure sculpting will improve with future releases. My advice would be - cut back on the amount of creasing in the sleeves in particular. By quite a lot.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 38 & 40 TS1 Plastic 170209
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 09, 2017, 01:46:00 pm
First test shot plastic for the PaK 38 and PaK 40 finally arrived!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2038%20TS1%20Plastic%20170207-1_zpsqjsjk4na.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2040%20TS1%20Plastic%20170207-1_zpsiw2cwsm9.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 38 & 40 TS1 Plastic 170209
Post by: Pinky on February 09, 2017, 03:42:19 pm
Excellent!

It's great that you've included multiple ammo boxes.  A lot of kits of guns only have one.

I assume you didn't decide to include the wheel on the carriage of the Pak 38?  There was a discussion about it a while back. 
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 38 & 40 TS1 Plastic 170209
Post by: Yaquir on February 09, 2017, 04:23:30 pm
Very good. Move on!  :)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 38 & 40 TS1 Plastic 170209
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 09, 2017, 05:40:17 pm
I assume you didn't decide to include the wheel on the carriage of the Pak 38?  There was a discussion about it a while back.

We have looked at the extra wheel on the carriage and found it quite complicated to design while making it look realistic, so we dropped it.

The wheel needed extra pieces to "lock" the carriage while in transport.  We see the chance people using this pose is minimum.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 38 & 40 TS1 Plastic 170209
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on February 09, 2017, 05:41:33 pm
Nice.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 38 & 40 TS1 Plastic 170209
Post by: Swamprat33 on February 09, 2017, 08:54:57 pm
Very nice.
When can we expect to see these in the shops????

Tim
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 38 & 40 TS1 Plastic 170209
Post by: Pinky on February 09, 2017, 11:41:21 pm
The wheel needed extra pieces to "lock" the carriage while in transport.  We see the chance people using this pose is minimum.

Ripley pointed out that the wheel was used to manoeuvre the gun when in action, not for when it's in transport mode.  But never mind - I guess it's fairly easy to add.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 38 & 40 TS1 Plastic 170209
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 09, 2017, 11:50:45 pm
Ripley pointed out that the wheel was used to manoeuvre the gun when in action, not for when it's in transport mode.  But never mind - I guess it's fairly easy to add.

We were saying the part is difficult to design without duplicating additional (extra) trails and parts to make it look realistic.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 38 & 40 TS1 Plastic 170209
Post by: Pinky on February 10, 2017, 12:01:40 am
I don't think many will notice its absence.  The guns look really good - looking forward to these two.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 38 & 40 TS1 Plastic 170209
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 10, 2017, 12:39:18 am
The mid-war crews are almost done, now still waiting for the late-war version!  Will take a while before they are ready on the release list.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 40 TS1 Painted 170212
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 12, 2017, 02:38:21 pm
Here is the PaK 40 TS1 plastic painted:

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2040%20TS1%20Painted%20170211-00_zpsv4hk0rp8.jpg)

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(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2040%20TS1%20Painted%20170211-03_zpsevmtd6vr.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2040%20TS1%20Painted%20170211-05_zpsff5wyp6x.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2040%20TS1%20Painted%20170211-06_zpscqpwriya.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2040%20TS1%20Painted%20170211-07_zpscdqwdxwb.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2040%20TS1%20Painted%20170211-08_zpsamdpxiul.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 40 TS1 Painted 170212
Post by: Pinky on February 12, 2017, 03:08:17 pm
It looks very nice.  Great to see another important piece of equipment finally available in plastic. 

The slot in the loading tray below the breech block should be much wider and deeper - the loading tray was just a folded piece of metal.  There was also usually a long box attached to the back of the shield (for storing the sight, I think).  But these are very minor points, and easily dealt with by anyone who cares.

Apparently the barrel was retracted when in travel mode.  I'm guessing it's possible to position the barrel in that way.  As you mentioned before, it's normally going to be built in the 'in action' configuration.

(https://s29.postimg.org/lwuhbar6r/IMG_0067.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/lwuhbar6r/)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 40 TS1 Painted 170212
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 12, 2017, 03:58:32 pm
True!  We had simplified the loading tray for mould making (the plastic can't be too thin and had to be at an angle).  Other than that, should be reasonably close.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 40 TS1 Painted 170212
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on February 12, 2017, 04:34:00 pm
Really good.

What is the usual tractor for one of these, a 251?

Echoing Pinky, it is great to see  important artillery in plastic.

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Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 40 TS1 Painted 170212
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 12, 2017, 05:54:00 pm
What is the usual tractor for one of these, a 251?

Official approved vehicles to tow a PaK 40 included SdKfz 11, 3-ton truck (Opel Blitz, Mercedes L3000, etc), SdKfz 251, RSO, and Maultier.

From 1942 to mid-43, an SdKfz 11 or a 3-ton truck would be most common, after that an RSO or Maultier or 3-ton truck would be most common.  There are many photos of PaK 40's being towed by SdKfz 10 - this is due to the fact that PaK 40 was replacing the PaK 38 in many existing units; they got new guns but no prime movers. The PaK 40 is 1/2 ton heavier than the SdKfz "official rated" towing capacity, but photographic evidence (and "use what you have" in reality) suggested otherwise.  There are also photos of PaK 40's being towed by Steyr 1500, which is also a bit light of a vehicle for the job.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 40 TS1 Painted 170212
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on February 12, 2017, 06:41:14 pm
Thanks.

Any chance of a box containing the gun, the crew and a towing vehicle?
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 40 TS1 Painted 170212
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 13, 2017, 12:54:39 pm
Any chance of a box containing the gun, the crew and a towing vehicle?

We are only looking at gun with crew for the moment because of logistic issues.  We might be able to create some sort of bundle later for our channel partners.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 38 TS1 Painted 17023
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 13, 2017, 12:59:12 pm
This post is going to be extremely graphics heavy... total of 23 images covering both PaK 38 and PaK 97/38...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2038%20TS1%20Painted%20170203-01_zpseweyx1nu.jpg)

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(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2038%20TS1%20Painted%20170203-23_zpsjjtmdoe4.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 38 TS1 Painted 17023
Post by: Pinky on February 13, 2017, 02:57:38 pm
I really like this one.  I think it's my favourite of the new guns you're doing - partly because there have been a lot of kits of the other 2 guns in various scale, but this one is much less common.  This one also seems a bit more detailed than the Pak 40.  Very nice.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 38 TS1 Painted 17023
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 13, 2017, 03:00:03 pm
This one also seems a bit more detailed than the Pak 40.  Very nice.

This is also my favorite one too!  Much more rich in details...
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 38 TS1 Painted 17023
Post by: Yaquir on February 13, 2017, 04:57:43 pm
Very nice!
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 38 TS1 Painted 17023
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on February 13, 2017, 06:41:21 pm
Looks very good.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 38 TS1 Painted 17023
Post by: Pinky on February 14, 2017, 09:41:38 am
Does the Pak 38 come with the metal ammunition boxes as well?
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 38 TS1 Painted 17023
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 14, 2017, 12:09:48 pm
Does the Pak 38 come with the metal ammunition boxes as well?

Yes, it does.  The ammo box and crew in the photoshoot was a standin.  They are not done yet...
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 38 TS1 Painted 17023
Post by: Captain Blood on February 15, 2017, 02:58:22 am
So these are not the final gun crew figures?

The guns themselves look absolutely brilliant.

Sorry to be boring, because I know I made the same point before, but the crew I'm afraid, still look like they are wearing baggy overalls or pyjamas, rather than WW2 German uniforms. Too 'full' and too much overdone creasing.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 40 Gun Crew TS1 170306
Post by: Rubicon Models on March 06, 2017, 03:54:23 pm
Just received from factory... PaK 40 late war gun crew (TS1 plastic).
Still have moulding issues, but is a good start!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2040%20Crew%20TS1%20Primed%20170306-1_zpssdxd8atb.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 40 Gun Crew TS1 170306
Post by: ripley on March 06, 2017, 10:33:29 pm
These guys look good , love the cammo smocks . Really would like to see figure  sets like this available without the guns . Lots of potential for conversion to regular infantry ( or who know what  ::) ) for us modellers . I can see guys that already have other companies metal / resin guns using these as well to expand their crews
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 40 Gun Crew TS1 170306
Post by: Rubicon Models on March 07, 2017, 12:09:45 am
Test assembled and painted the PaK 40 crew by our in-house painter for details and possible errors...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2040%20Crew%20TS1%20Painted%20170306-1_zpsds7nqqs5.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PaK%2040%20Crew%20TS1%20Painted%20170306-2_zpsloo4z0cw.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 40 Gun Crew TS1 170306
Post by: Rubicon Models on March 07, 2017, 12:13:19 am
Really would like to see figure sets like this available without the guns. Lots of potential for conversion to regular infantry (or who know what ::)) for us modellers.

Don't think these will be packaged without the gun initially.  Is not feasible economically in terms of repackaging these figures for individual sales.
Title: Re: German AT Guns - PaK 40 Gun Crew TS1 170306
Post by: ripley on March 07, 2017, 09:04:11 am
Fair enough . I will have to get at least two guns then ( maybe 3 ) . One in action ,and one being towed , leaving me a crew to kit bash  :)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm FlaK 38 3D Drawings 170328
Post by: Rubicon Models on March 28, 2017, 02:55:04 pm
"Feindliches Flugzeug eingehend..." The 2cm FlaK 38 was not only the primary
German light anti-aircraft gun, but by far the most numerously produced German
artillery piece throughout the war.

Other than as a standalone piece with crew in firing or on tow stance, possible
scenario include being mounted on a SdKfz 7/1, or on a Bltiz or Maulter...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20170328-1_zpsqzfxtfvt.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20170328-2_zpsuzoaqtgh.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm FlaK 38 3D Drawings 170328
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on March 28, 2017, 03:04:38 pm
Very nice.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm FlaK 38 3D Drawings 170328
Post by: Pinky on March 28, 2017, 04:19:40 pm
Looks very good.  But could we have some non-German field weapons before this?
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm FlaK 38 3D Drawings 170328
Post by: Yaquir on March 29, 2017, 04:34:18 pm
Looks very good.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - More 2cm FlaK 38 3D Drawings 170413
Post by: Rubicon Models on April 13, 2017, 08:22:03 pm
More work done on the FlaK 38.  Now with the mobile carriage.  While being transported the FlaK shields are folded sideways with the gunner seats removed.  In some instances, the shields are simply removed.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20170413-2_zps1zb4i1cs.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20170413-1_zps6shy4fi4.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - More 2cm FlaK 38 3D Drawings 170413
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on April 13, 2017, 11:42:42 pm
Going to need lots of ammo boxes.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - More 2cm FlaK 38 3D Drawings 170413
Post by: ripley on April 14, 2017, 01:43:50 am
Might be an idea for a accessory set - Ammo boxes  . rubicon  could do a German set , clips and 2 clip boxes for the 20mm flak , as well as metal and wood boxes for the 50mm pak , wood boxes and metal tubes for the 75mm pak , and a variety of wood boxes for the long barrel kwk 75mm of the Panther  and the Tiger's 88 . A set of 6 pounder  metal boxes as well wooden boxes for the US 75mm , and wood boxes for the Russian 76 , 85 , 122 mm  might work as a Allies set .  Could also just make them in resin and sell them in 10 piece bubble packs , they do that a lot in 1/35 scale
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm FlaK 38 Prototype 170505
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 05, 2017, 04:27:22 pm
This is the prototype for our version of the quad-autocannon... first shown at Salute 2017!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/Quad%202cm%20FlaK%2038%20170505-01_zpslmmsbozw.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/Quad%202cm%20FlaK%2038%20170505-02_zpshf13vetf.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/Quad%202cm%20FlaK%2038%20170505-03_zpshlvbfybc.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/Quad%202cm%20FlaK%2038%20170505-04_zpssc8ynh1e.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/Quad%202cm%20FlaK%2038%20170505-05_zps0e8nbzac.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm FlaK 38 Prototype 170505
Post by: ripley on May 05, 2017, 08:29:41 pm
Another fantastic gun kit in the works , YAY !!!
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm FlaK 38 Prototype 170505
Post by: Ballardian on May 05, 2017, 10:14:26 pm
That is very nice, way better than any of the pewter ones out there - I see an SdKfz 7/1 in my future...
 That said, will the 3.7cm flak 36/37/43 get the same treatment ? Playing late war I'd particularly favour the last of those.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm FlaK 38 Prototype 170505
Post by: Swamprat33 on May 06, 2017, 12:21:25 am
Hi, Can you please make the gun barels slightly overscale to be less fragile for gaming.
These normally are the first things to break and can be a pain to repair.

Overall, this looks to be another superb offering and a world apart from others on the market.

Tim
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm FlaK 38 Prototype 170505
Post by: Pinky on May 06, 2017, 09:54:24 am
Hi, Can you please make the gun barels slightly overscale to be less fragile for gaming.
These normally are the first things to break and can be a pain to repair.

I second this.  Or provide an optional set of overscale barrels.  These are simply too fragile for wargaming.  If they are true to scale, they will be even thinner than the 1/48 scale Tamiya Flakvierling barrels, which are very fine.

And please start on some Allied artillery, like the 2-pdr and 6-pdr/57mm.  The Germans have had plenty of love now...
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm FlaK 38 Prototype 170505
Post by: tyroflyer on May 06, 2017, 10:17:27 am
Perhaps an optional set of barrels is the way to go. I wouldn't like to see such a nice model messed up with very obviously oversize barrels. I don't know whether there are any other solutions to minimising damage (apart from leaving it in a glass case!).
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm FlaK 38 Prototype 170505
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 06, 2017, 03:53:25 pm
I am not sure if this is technically feasible, but:

Is it possible to supply turned (not cast) metal barrels as an option? I understand this would require some special design work as there would have to be sufficient space to provide a suitable socket within the body of the gun and working with a new medium and the supplier issues that would entail.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm FlaK 38 Prototype 170505
Post by: Ballardian on May 06, 2017, 08:21:22 pm
 I agree that in-scale barrels that are that small are inherently fragile, though I don't knonw how practical the inclusion of barrels in other materials is - perhap a blister of replacement barrels would be possible. I've tended to replace the barrels on any I've previously made with readily available brass or aluminium rod or tube, (art shops tend to carry them, as do Amazon & Ebay) which are far more robust at scale (or near scale) size.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm FlaK 38 Prototype 170505
Post by: ripley on May 06, 2017, 08:56:46 pm
A blister pack of metal / wire barrels and resin flash guards would probably work . But it depends how the  gun kit is made . Do the barrels fit together at the position by the gun shield or is each  gun -  one full piece . Lots of fun trying to drill out the end of 4 guns to add metal barrels . I can see a disaster waiting to happen . Of course Rubicon would end up selling more gun kits probably  ::)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm FlaK 38 Prototype 170505
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 07, 2017, 02:24:36 pm
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/Quad%202cm%20FlaK%2038%20170505-05_zps0e8nbzac.jpg)
My (non technical) thought was to have the body of each gun in two parts with a hollow (when assembled forming a socket) that takes a length of the turned/ rod barrel to provide strength to the exposed part of the barrel. Scale plastic barrels would just need a stub piece for assembly.


It might be possible to make the plastic barrels a friction fit, making replacement easier.

Ripley makes a good point about the flash guards, an alternative would be to provide the socket (so no need to drill the body of the gun) and flashguards in plastic as spares on the sprue.

No idea of the feasibility, but the Crusader kit had a wire brush guard option, a first for this scale.

Technical issues are preventing me from posting a diagram.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - More eDrawings 170622
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 22, 2017, 11:21:49 pm
This is the latest batch of eDrawings for the FlaK 38...
now being mounted on an Opel Maultier!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20170622-1_zpscvwww0n7.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20170622-2_zpsvrddaal8.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20170622-3_zpssvasffc7.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - More eDrawings 170622
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on June 23, 2017, 02:12:15 am
Nice.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - More eDrawings 170622
Post by: jdg on July 07, 2017, 01:41:53 pm
The Maultier never carried the Flakfierling 38 it was to heavy for the Maultier.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - More eDrawings 170622
Post by: Swamprat33 on July 07, 2017, 04:45:42 pm
It does look good but agree it is not correct.
For this reason, i used the single 20mm mount on the back of my Opel Blitz.

Tim
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - More eDrawings 170622
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 07, 2017, 05:47:32 pm
The Maultier never carried the Flakfierling 38 it was to heavy for the Maultier.

That's very true... sorry about the confusion.  But it did mounted on an Opel Blitz...

;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - More eDrawings 170622
Post by: Pinky on July 10, 2017, 06:53:00 am
We discussed this before.  It seems fairly certain that the Flakvierling was not mounted on the basic Opel Blitz, as it was too heavy.  The only photos purporting to show this combination (in Afrika Korps service) are apparently of a 4 1/2 ton truck, not an Opel. The Flakvierling doesn't seem to have been mounted on the Maultier either - all the photos show the single barrel version.  Of course, anything is possible given the Germans' need to improvise.  But it would be a very rare, non-standard vehicle.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - More eDrawings 170622
Post by: johan on July 10, 2017, 07:44:00 am
If Rubicon also produces the 2 cm Flak 30 or the 3.7 cm Flak, then we can make the opel Blitz and maultier with the 2 cm and the 7/2 with the 3.7 cm.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - More eDrawings 170622
Post by: jdg on July 13, 2017, 03:27:35 am
" Of course, anything is possible given the Germans' need to improvise."

Not really the Germans were limited by reality just like everybody else. The track system added to the Opel Blitz to make the Maultier was less robust that the original wheels which meat the Maultier couldn't carry as umch weight as the Blitz.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm FlaK 38 Gun Crew Sculpt 170824
Post by: Rubicon Models on August 24, 2017, 06:28:31 pm
Finally, some preliminary gun crew for the 2cm FlaK 38 done!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2020mm%20Crew%20170824-01_zps7atshhx4.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2020mm%20Crew%20170824-02_zpscnj3nqby.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2020mm%20Crew%20170824-03_zps3k2yby09.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2020mm%20Crew%20170824-04_zpspxab5usa.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 38 SdAh52 Trailer 171011
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 11, 2017, 02:19:55 pm
More work is done on the Flakvierling 38 project.


This is the SdAh 52 trailer with two build options: (1) Carriage Trailer for transporting the FlaK 38 or as an (2) Ammunition Trailer when the FlaK 38 was mounted on vehicles.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%20Cart%20171011-1_zpsckzzxdlx.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%20Cart%20171011-2_zpsygrqmaoi.jpg)

Enjoy!
 ;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 38 SdAh52 Trailer 171011
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on October 11, 2017, 05:03:09 pm
Looks good.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 38 SdAh52 Trailer 171011
Post by: ripley on October 11, 2017, 08:13:58 pm
Very nice
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 38 Gun Crew 171012
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 12, 2017, 02:28:02 pm
Took us a while to turn these figures into 3D prints based on our digital sculpts.
The result is very good.  Everything fits perfectly the first time!

The Flakvierling 38 will come with four German Heer crew – each with separate
figure heads.  We’ve also included the towing trailer as it would be rare to see a
Flakvierling without its means of transport.

The Flakvierling was also to be seen without the protective shields and we’ve
produced the model so you can leave these off if you so desire.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%20Gun%20Crew%20171011-1_zps95ohyzk1.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%20Gun%20Crew%20171011-2_zpsstswjmla.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%20Gun%20Crew%20171011-3_zpstcqbwaxv.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%20Gun%20Crew%20171011-4_zps55kc3zz3.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 38 Gun Crew 171012
Post by: Pinky on October 12, 2017, 02:48:32 pm
The figures seem to be significantly better than the previous ones.  There is real depth to the details like the helmets and clothing.  The switch to a lighter coloured plastic will also help a lot. 
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 38 Gun Crew 171012
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 12, 2017, 03:03:20 pm
The figures seem to be significantly better than the previous ones.  There is real depth to the details like the helmets and clothing.  The switch to a lighter coloured plastic will also help a lot.

We are using the same figure template since day 1 of digital sculpting.  Nothing had changed... except a much better photo booth setup!  :D
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 38 Gun Crew 171012
Post by: H0ffmn on October 12, 2017, 07:59:55 pm
Your figures look very good. The only problem that I see is your figure's tunic pockets. There was never a tunic issued to Heer troops that had a  flat pocket flap and pleated pockets together .It was one or the other.
German tunics had pleated pockets up until around 1942. Around 1943, also for economy reasons and ease of assembly, the pocket flap was cut straight across ,until the end of the war.

Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 38 Gun Crew 171012
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on October 13, 2017, 12:13:34 am
They look good (pocket flaps not withstanding).
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 38 Gun Crew 171012
Post by: ripley on October 13, 2017, 08:11:32 am
I like them . I can live with wrong  pockets in this scale . Would rather see them out ASAP than sent out for a re sculpt that could take months ( ? ) . Plus the way I over do the GW wash on my figures the pockets won't be seen any way  ::)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 38 Gun Crew 171012
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 13, 2017, 05:41:02 pm
Your figures look very good. The only problem that I see is your figure's tunic pockets. There was never a tunic issued to Heer troops that had a  flat pocket flap and pleated pockets together .It was one or the other.
German tunics had pleated pockets up until around 1942. Around 1943, also for economy reasons and ease of assembly, the pocket flap was cut straight across ,until the end of the war.

It was the camera that is making the illusion...the pocket flap is not flat. If you look at the digital sculpts a few post earlier, you will see it.  Should have taken the photo with a proper camera instead of a phone one!  :(
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 initial drawing 171201
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 01, 2017, 07:07:04 pm
To start the month of December, let's have something new!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036-37%20171130-1_zps7u335x7o.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 initial drawing 171201
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on December 02, 2017, 12:06:41 am
Certainly going to be popular, if previous posts are to be believed.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 initial drawing 171201
Post by: Jaeger on December 02, 2017, 06:15:47 am
YES!
I want both!
Very iconic field artillery anti-aircraft anti-tank piece.
Limbered and unlimbered?
What about the half track to move it about the battlerfield?
Perfect to oppose Operation Goodwood and tow around desert battlefields to engage British tanks.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 initial drawing 171201
Post by: Pinky on December 02, 2017, 09:13:16 am
Rubicon showed the designs for the intended gun tractor for this several months ago.  Maybe they are planning a deluxe set with both gun and tractor!
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 initial drawing 171201
Post by: ripley on December 02, 2017, 09:24:34 am
Love the guns , but want to see the gun crew before getting more than one , ok , more than two  :-[
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 initial drawing 171201
Post by: Tracks on December 02, 2017, 09:45:40 pm
I'm still waiting to receive my Pak 36, and I cannot wait to order the Pak38 and Pak40 kits once they are available, but after the Pak38 and Pak40 are in my hands, I know I will be ordering one or two Flak36/37 kits when they become available.

Crews:
My only concern would be with the crews. Not just for the Flak36/37, but also with the Pak38 and Pak40. If you make them too anatomically correct, they will not blend in well with other 28mm WW2 miniatures (plastic or metal). Also, they will not be popular with gamers. For some reason gamers hate anatomically correct miniatures. There must be a fine line between anatomically correct and looking "gaming" good.

Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 initial drawing 171201
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 02, 2017, 10:48:46 pm
Crews:
My only concern would be with the crews. Not just for the Flak36/37, but also with the Pak38 and Pak40. If you make them too anatomically correct, they will not blend in well with other 28mm WW2 miniatures (plastic or metal). Also, they will not be popular with gamers. For some reason, gamers hate anatomically correct miniatures. There must be a fine line between anatomically correct and looking "gaming" good.

There are just times that we must make our stance.  In the old days of the garage or home-brew foundries, many figures were sculpted anatomically correct; but the final product (the metal figure) was being distorted due to bad rubber mould castings... they got squeezed and deformed.  Of course, there are many factors that lead to the horrible "gorilla" style (some called them heroic-scale to make themselves feel better) human proportion.  We have seen much better sculpts in 15mm and 20mm, so why cannot 28mm?

Our figures are more or less based on the style of the Perry brothers, only slightly bigger to match the size of other metal figures in the market.  Don't think you will notice a big difference between our figures and from other manufacturers when placed on the gaming table.

If you look at the 28mm market right now, many manufacturers had begun to sculpt anatomically correct figures, both plastic and metal, to reflect a change of style because it is just wrong to sculpt these figures incorrectly!

;)

Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 initial drawing 171201
Post by: ripley on December 03, 2017, 12:51:10 am
IMO Rubicon's figures work well with the other plastic , metal and resin figures I have . All though it's nice to see uniform size and shape men on the gaming table , in reality people come in all shapes and sizes . And as long as the gear and personal weapons the figures come with , match the other brands you have it will work . Guys use 1/35 & 1/32 figures in 1/32  aircraft dioramas all the time due to lack of options in 1/32 . If all have the same rifle , canteen , mess kit , etc it works . IRC  helmets came in various sizes , ( US - 3 & German - 5 ), so you don't have to worry about that although you do have to pick and choose as some company 's figures are all over the place on scale , even in the same kit ( early MiniArt ) . I know I've rambled on a bit about 1/35 , but that's a scale I've had lots of experience with , having built WW 2 figures from maybe 20 different companies over the years . In 28mm we only have Warlord , PSC  , Perry , and Rubicon making WW 2 plastics , with PSC making 3 kits and Perry 2 . Warlord has about a dozen , and they have changed in size since their first releases , the late war German and the Brits  are not as heroic as the last few kits, with  the German weapons sprue  rifles being  much more to scale than the new ones , but you tend to break them easier . Perrys are on the slight size , and PSC are a little on the ape ugly size , but as modellers we should be able to mix and match and end up with unique , great looking figures , I think I do ,now if I could just improve my painting
(https://s2.postimg.org/hz6slgixh/tumblr_nhqdz59n_GP1rfehtgo1_500.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/hz6slgixh/)
OK , this might be pushing it a little  :D
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 initial drawing 171201
Post by: Tracks on December 03, 2017, 01:34:14 am
Crews:
My only concern would be with the crews. Not just for the Flak36/37, but also with the Pak38 and Pak40. If you make them too anatomically correct, they will not blend in well with other 28mm WW2 miniatures (plastic or metal). Also, they will not be popular with gamers. For some reason, gamers hate anatomically correct miniatures. There must be a fine line between anatomically correct and looking "gaming" good.

There are just times that we must make our stance.  In the old days of the garage or home-brew foundries, many figures were sculpted anatomically correct; but the final product (the metal figure) was being distorted due to bad rubber mould castings... they got squeezed and deformed.  Of course, there are many factors that lead to the horrible "gorilla" style (some called them heroic-scale to make themselves feel better) human proportion.  We have seen much better sculpts in 15mm and 20mm, so why cannot 28mm?

Our figures are more or less based on the style of the Perry brothers, only slightly bigger to match the size of other metal figures in the market.  Don't think you will notice a big difference between our figures and from other manufacturers when placed on the gaming table.

If you look at the 28mm market right now, many manufacturers had begun to sculpt anatomically correct figures, both plastic and metal, to reflect a change of style because it is just wrong to sculpt these figures incorrectly!

;)

I like the Parry brothers figures very much. They do great work! Their miniatures are a blend of semi-anatomically correct and a gaming look. Still, I know a few gamers that still think their figures are too thin. You can’t please everyone all the time.

Anatomically Correct:
It is important to note that while modeling figures tend to have much better anatomically correct proportions, wargames figures tend to have a bit more girth and oversized proportions because wargames sculptors want to put the emphasis on those parts, but also for other possible reasons like durability. While not a very important aspect, but something that is often overlooked by gamers is how their figures will hold up when handled as well as how are they going to paint up. A gamer will spend a small fortune on their miniature collections, and how the figures will stand up to the treatment of gaming as well as how the figures paint up should be a factor to consider. The latter of course all depends on a person’s painting skill level and/or style of painting because one brand of figure might be better to work with than another for a particular miniature painter.

As mentioned earlier, for some reason gamers dislike anatomically correct miniatures. I even remember a time - a long time ago - when CinC Miniatures made some very nice anatomically correct Napoleonic miniatures. However, they didn’t last long because nobody was buying them. I guess it is because they look too thin compared to other figures, or maybe they were too flimsy for the game table. Regardless, there is a trend for gamers to dislike anatomically correct figures. There has to be reason for this, but I do not know what it is.

Figure Height:
Normally wargaming figures are measured in height, not scale, but scales have begun to be assigned to figure height. More times than I would like to admit I have gotten drawn into a discussion about the proper height of figures. To me, it seems like a lot of gamers have their own opinions and suggestions about what the true size of a figure should be. My goal here is to cast some light on this subject. Now I’m not going to sit here and convey to the reader that I’m all knowing in this area, and that what I know and consider is correct or to be the absolute truth on the matter, but rather, they are my own opinions based on facts, and this is only my attempt to share them with others.

In the past, manufactures of figures tried more or less to produce figures of the same height. This measurement was from the bottom of the feet to the top of the figure’s head. This was actually beneficial for the gamer because unlike now, the availability and selection of figures in the past were very lean to say the least. In some cases, what one figure manufacture did not have another manufacture attempted to produce. Even though in most cases the different companies produced figures that were visually different in detail and design, they were at least very close to being of the same height which of course made them more compatible with each other on the gaming table. This way you did not have the unpleasant appearance of un-natural giants and/or midgets within the ranks of your miniature army formations.

The manufacturing of gaming figures is not regulated by any official office or convention, which means in essence that there is no true standard or guideline to follow. When companies decided to introduce and produce new figures for the gamer they are free to do as pleased. In the beginning however, some manufactures of gaming figures attempted to establish some sort of a standard size. At the time, the most common sizes were 15mm, 20mm, and 25mm figures, and according to some old literature printed up by some of these pioneer manufactures, the height of a figure was supposed to be the measured distance from the bottom of the feet to the top of the head. This of course seemed very reasonable since this only takes into account the height of a standing man and the thickness of the base as well as the headgear is irrelevant. Figures that measure 15mm or 25mm from the bottom of their feet to the top of their heads are what I will consider “True 15mm” or “True 25mm” miniatures.

As time progressed, figures had begun to get taller and taller leading to what is commonly known as the scale creep phenomenon. What started this phenomenon in the first place? The answer is not all that simple, but basically it seems to be the cause and effect for control of the figure market. That is, the trend is more about competition and greed than cooperation and teamwork among the figure manufactures. It seemed that one day a manufacture of figures decided to adjust the measurements of their figures to mean that 15mm or 25mm was the distance between the feet and the eyes, or to some other two obscure points. However, it didn’t stop there! Now it seems that this measurement is from the ankle to the nose or chin, which to me seems a bit ridiculous. What’s next, the distance from the knee to the clavical? The reason for all this was so that a manufacture’s figures would not blend in well with other manufactures. The result of this entire scale creep phenomenon was taller figures, but also a much wider range of sizes of non-compatibility. Personally, I see this to be a potential problem in the miniature gaming community as new comers to the hobby will only get confused and uncomfortable as they explore the details in getting started, and as a result might turn away from this wonderful hobby.

When I started there was a notion of true height, but it wasn’t a standard throughout the industry. Originally true size was measured from the bottom of the feet to the top of the head without measuring the base. In cases were a figure had a shako or other headgear making it hard to measure, it was approximately measured. This of course made figures from different manufactures compatible in height even if the details were very significant.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 initial drawing 171201
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on December 03, 2017, 02:19:32 am
I remember figure heights as always being ground to eyes because you could not see the top of the head, especially if said figure was wearing a shako.

I have a large collection of GZG 25mm figures.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 initial drawing 171201
Post by: elias.tibbs on December 03, 2017, 02:32:38 am
I prefer the Perry and Rubicon scale, and I’m a gamer before a modeller.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 initial drawing 171201
Post by: Tracks on December 04, 2017, 09:05:51 pm
Measuring to the eyes was the start of the scale creep.

Just like when you go to the doctor's office, they measure your height from the bottom of your feet to the top of the head. I suppose that is why back in the days figure height was measured from the bottom of the feet and to the top of the head. The latter was sometimes a best guess because the figure might have headgear, but it was a pretty good guess.

If you look at some older figures from the 70's and even 80's, you will see that they measure 15mm, 20mm, or 25mm from the bottom of the feet to the top of the head (not including headgear). For example, the old Heritage figures (Napoleonic and American Civil War ranges) were true 15mm figures, and the 15mm and 25mm that Minifigs produced were also a true height. Even all of the Scruby Miniatures that were advertised and 15mm, 20mm, or 25mm were of a true height. However, some of the older companies that are still around today like Minifigs have fallen prey to the scale creep phenomenon. Their latest 15mm figures for example measure a true height of 17mm, but they announced they would increase the height of some of their figures lines.

As for 28mm figures, some are true 28mm figures while others are not.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 initial drawing 171201
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on December 05, 2017, 03:31:12 am
I only entered the hobby in 1984 and (as you might guess) live in the UK, so they are brands I had never heard of.

Interesting timeline here:http://www-personal.umich.edu/~beattie/timeline2.html (http://www-personal.umich.edu/~beattie/timeline2.html)

"20mm" has an interesting history, which is mentioned in passing in the above link. There is a reference to HO (also known as 3.5mm to the foot) as the US figures.

Due to (traditionally) United Kingdom railways having a smaller loading gauge than Continental railways it was not possible to get the mechanism into the 1/87 scale body shells (this version is occasionally disputed, though it is also repeated for N Gauge). The choice was made to use the scale of 4mm to the foot (or 1/76 scale), also known as OO gauge (which is 16.5mm gauge but 4mm to the foot scale - so narrow gauge of four foot one and half inches).

That means that the UK small figures (Airfix branded their figures as HO/OO but were 1/76) were bigger than true HO at 1/87.

A man 20mm tall is about five foot eight inches in HO, but only five foot in OO.

Of course the additional confusion of 1/72 scale (which I guess is the equivalent of US O Gauge scale of 1/48 due to US modellers not wanting to mix measurement systems) which requires a figure between 24 to 25mm to the top of the head.

Model railway wise the next scale is S Gauge at 1/64 scale which traditionally in the UK is thought to be 25mm scale.

I remember the Twilight 2000 figures being tiny compared to the Platoon 20 figures because the former were 1/87.



Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 initial drawing 171201
Post by: Pinky on December 05, 2017, 12:01:04 pm

There are just times that we must make our stance.  In the old days of the garage or home-brew foundries, many figures were sculpted anatomically correct; but the final product (the metal figure) was being distorted due to bad rubber mould castings... they got squeezed and deformed.  Of course, there are many factors that lead to the horrible "gorilla" style (some called them heroic-scale to make themselves feel better) human proportion.  We have seen much better sculpts in 15mm and 20mm, so why cannot 28mm?

Our figures are more or less based on the style of the Perry brothers, only slightly bigger to match the size of other metal figures in the market.  Don't think you will notice a big difference between our figures and from other manufacturers when placed on the gaming table.

If you look at the 28mm market right now, many manufacturers had begun to sculpt anatomically correct figures, both plastic and metal, to reflect a change of style because it is just wrong to sculpt these figures incorrectly!

This all makes sense, but to me your figures aren't always striking the right balance.  The British Army figures in the photos of your plastic fences don't look 'right'.  The uniforms are too close-fitting and the helmets are too small.  I think your designers are still struggling a bit with organic shapes, like soft stowage and clothing.  You're a bit scornful of the "gorilla" style, and I understand what you mean, but there is a reason for it - it has more visual impact (because the eye is drawn to certain aspects of the model), it tends to look more dynamic, and the exaggerated detail paints up better.  I think Rubicon are currently a bit conflicted on whether they are display models or wargaming models, although the scale you've chosen is overwhelmingly a wargaming scale.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 initial drawing 171201
Post by: Tracks on December 05, 2017, 11:07:35 pm
I have to agree with Pinky in that "The British Army figures in the photos of your plastic fences don't look 'right'."

He also mentions, "- it has more visual impact (because the eye is drawn to certain aspects of the model), it tends to look more dynamic, and the exaggerated detail paints up better."

This is something that the Perry brothers have been experimenting with. On their figures, some of the details are a little exaggerated to catch the eye and to enhance the overall look. They don't over do it like other sculptors, but its a careful balance to get a "look"..

When things get scaled down, sometimes artificial optical aids or adjustments have to be added to a figure. Take for example a professionally painted miniature soldier. The painter doesn't simply paint everything in mono-tone colors. Instead, they add artificial shading and highlights to get a more realistic look. Sometimes this applies to physical details as well. By slightly over exaggerating certain details it can enhance the visual look of a figure. Because wargame figure sculptors want to put the emphasis in their work, you see this more evident in wargame figures than in modeling figures. Modeling figures tend to more anatomically correct with non-protruding details while wargaming figures tend to have oversized proportions and over exaggerated details. IMHO, I think its a fine balance of being precise and adding some exaggeration.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - The LONG Haul... 171215
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 15, 2017, 01:02:00 pm
Finally get all the initial 3D drawings done!  Now have to go through all the details again to confirm correct, then proceed to 3D prototyping!
Like the real gun, the gun can elevate up to an 85-degree angle too!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036-37%20171130-2_zpsi0rcglio.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036-37%20171130-3_zpstyq2xn9m.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - The LONG Haul... 171215
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on December 15, 2017, 04:41:57 pm
Will it be able to swapped between the towed and the deployed cruciform base?
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - The LONG Haul... 171215
Post by: Jimmy_P on December 15, 2017, 05:20:39 pm

Seriously looking forward to this one! Second being able to use both base options too!

Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - The LONG Haul... 171215
Post by: elias.tibbs on December 15, 2017, 10:13:35 pm
I can see this selling very well...
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36 auf PzKpfw IV Ausf H 171229
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 29, 2017, 06:15:36 pm
Again, emphasising on the possibility of "conversion kits" for our plastic kits...
The merging of two upcoming new kits - Panzer IV -and- 88mm FlaK 36/37 AT Gun - with the addition of a few new parts yielding this new vehicle "88mm FlaK 36 auf PzKpfw IV Ausf H".

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PzIV%20with%2088mm%20171229-01_zpsm1cvmrfr.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/PzIV%20with%2088mm%20171229-02_zpsta81owkx.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36 auf PzKpfw IV Ausf H 171229
Post by: Pinky on December 30, 2017, 02:52:17 am
But what is it?
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36 auf PzKpfw IV Ausf H 171229
Post by: ripley on December 30, 2017, 05:12:38 am
IRC it's a one of a kind , Battle of Berlin , we need to get this gun into action , what have you got that will carry it kind of deal . Like the 75mm pak on the Panzer I chassie , its a last ditch effort to hold off the Ruskies . Dragon has one in 1/35 , cool kit . but I could convert one myself . Others of course would probably buy one . Always good to see Rubicon expanding their ideas on WWII vehicles , even if I wouldn't get this one
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36 auf PzKpfw IV Ausf H 171229
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on December 30, 2017, 05:46:09 am
I found a couple of photographs of one (one with a command Panzer I of some sort).
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36 auf PzKpfw IV Ausf H 171229
Post by: tyroflyer on December 30, 2017, 08:10:05 am
Unconfirmed source suggests it was a one of a kind field conversion with 19 Panzer Division, Bohemia April 1945. Therefore not total fantasy. Does make me wonder if Lady Penelope's roller is on the drawing board. ;D
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36 auf PzKpfw IV Ausf H 171229
Post by: somtec on December 30, 2017, 02:41:36 pm
i know nothing about panzer ivs or 88mm flak guns but here are a few pics  of 1 maybe 2
http://en.valka.cz/topic/view/37107/88-cm-Flak-36-auf-Pz-Kpfw-IV
google translates well into english
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36 auf PzKpfw IV Ausf H 171229
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on December 30, 2017, 04:47:44 pm
And some more, in French.[urlhttp://www.materielsterrestres39-45.fr/fr/index.php/chars-de-l-axe-allemagne/227-les-bricolages/600-flak-88-mm-sur-chassis-de-panzer-iv][/url]

I have worked out what was wrong with the Panzer I, no rear idler wheel.

The photographs look like they were taken in a junk yard post war (US helmet on one person in a photograph, civilian sitting in another).

There are some highly dubious photographs out there, an 88 with shield on a T34, something that looks like a Rheintochter launcher...
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36 auf PzKpfw IV Ausf H 171229
Post by: ripley on December 30, 2017, 10:30:59 pm
The T-34 / 88 picture was shown to be a fake on Missing -Lynx . Both the gun with crewman and the tank with crew on the ground photos were shown side by side  , nice photo shop though , There's a neat one of a 20mm flak in the back of a Schimmelwagen , neat but fake  ::) . In the pictures somtec posted , I think the gun on the left behind the 234 is probably a Hummel , notice the armored upper hull . From a  distance , a  front view of  the Hummel's 150mm gun in elevation looks like  a 88. Al lsorts of weird and wonderful ( for kitbashers ) one off type of vehicles found in the junk yard pictures taken after the war . Seen grainy pictures of a  251 with a French H-35 turret mounted on it , now wether it was a real conversion or just stacking a turret on the hull of a damaged 251 , don't knew , but it looks cool .
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36 auf PzKpfw IV Ausf H 171229
Post by: Jaeger on December 31, 2017, 01:33:04 pm
I saw those pictures of the 88 on a Pzkw IV in Panzerwrecks.  I'd have to page through them to tell you which one.
It would be a fun kit to have.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36/37 Product Spec 180105
Post by: Rubicon Models on January 05, 2018, 10:17:45 pm
Going back to our main topic regarding the 88mm FlaK 36/37 AA/AT Gun...
Here are the proposed product specifications:

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20171218-01_zpstqksp4jr.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20171218-02_zps5zby8ohv.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20171218-03_zps1id3ci8n.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36/37 Product Spec 180105
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on January 06, 2018, 12:04:55 am
Nice.

Are you doing a DAK crew?
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36/37 Product Spec 180105
Post by: somtec on January 06, 2018, 03:17:18 am
looks good
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36/37 Product Spec 180105
Post by: H0ffmn on January 06, 2018, 07:17:59 am
A dedicated DAK crew would be great!
   So would a crew in greatcoats...
And a crew in service shirts,  the list could go on and on.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36/37 Product Spec 180105
Post by: H0ffmn on January 06, 2018, 07:24:12 am
 You could make multi-part figures, which they will be, and add additional arms with the sleeves rolled up, along with regular sleeved arms.And if you made the torsos  in the German M-36 tunic with open collar, you would have a set for North Africa, Western and the Eastern fronts.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36/37 Product Spec 180105
Post by: ripley on January 06, 2018, 09:36:23 am
Great looking gun ,and  we all want one but with our own particular crew . I'm partial to a crew Hitler Youth Girls myself  ( seen some nice 1/48 pewter ones by Aurora IRC ) ) for a Berlin 45 dio  . But seriously , maybe Rubicon should release a 2 or 3 sprue multi  arm of service gun crew . I can't see rolled sleeves , great coats or bundled up winter figures  all in the gun kit box . Not to mention we're going to need the same kind of seated figures for the tow vehicle right guys ?   ::) 
(https://s9.postimg.org/ocn2yjp2z/ml07956.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/ocn2yjp2z/)
I was wrong , they are 1/35 , damm
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36/37 Product Spec 180105
Post by: H0ffmn on January 06, 2018, 10:31:05 am
My last post was pertaining to a generic gun crew which could be used on all fronts, not including crews in greatcoats and or parkas all in one box.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36/37 Product Spec 180105
Post by: Pinky on January 06, 2018, 11:05:17 am
(https://s9.postimg.org/ocn2yjp2z/ml07956.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/ocn2yjp2z/)
I was wrong , they are 1/35 , damm

Girls und Flakgun, eh Ripley?  I'm sure those miniskirts are entirely accurate...

I'd like a crew in greatcoat and a DAK crew, but obviously Rubicon can't satisfy everyone.  This is going to be a popular model.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36/37 Product Spec 180105
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on January 06, 2018, 04:38:57 pm
@Ripley: /http://www.crooked-dice.co.uk/wp/product/female-minions (http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/http://www.crooked-dice.co.uk/wp/product/female-minions)
Maybe you can convert the above?

Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36/37 Product Spec 180105
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on January 06, 2018, 04:49:15 pm
Actually rolled and unrolled sleeves would work for DAK and Russian summer.

Russian winter however...
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36/37 Product Spec 180105
Post by: ripley on January 06, 2018, 10:04:56 pm
Crooked Dice stuff has potential . Was thinking more of this style , actually
(https://s9.postimg.org/motg07yez/ml049-1jpg.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/motg07yez/)
Aurora has gone more Girls and Panzers lately , but they do have some actual WW2 type female figures , Nurses , Gun Crew . They used to have a few diorama pictures of the whole crew set but it seems they've renovated their site and I can only find this one view . Annie at Bad Squiddo has put out a bunch of female WW2  Russian figures , maybe she 'll tackle the Germans next . It isn't like I'm going to get the 88 kit tomorrow , or have my pile of kits built anytime soon  , so I can wait  ::)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm Flakvierling 38 TS1 Sprues 180108
Post by: Rubicon Models on January 08, 2018, 07:46:19 pm
2018 seems to be an exciting year for us... an unexpected package arrived at the studio!
They look really nice, will take a closer look tomorrow.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20TS1%20Sprue%20180108-1_zps1te6qdjj.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm Flakvierling 38 TS1 Sprues 180108
Post by: ripley on January 08, 2018, 10:43:35 pm
Wow , that a crazy plastic color . Must be one of those late 45 green colors   :D The gun looks very nice , I see 8 barrels , spares in case we break them ?
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm Flakvierling 38 TS1 Sprues 180108
Post by: Pinky on January 08, 2018, 10:58:39 pm
Ripley - hopefully it has both 'truescale' and wargaming scale barrels.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm Flakvierling 38 TS1 Sprues 180108
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on January 09, 2018, 12:32:31 am
The two sets do have an apparent difference in barrel thickness.

Are there different base plates for various transport options on the sprue.

That plastic colour is bad for the eyes.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm Flakvierling 38 TS1 Sprues 180108
Post by: Rubicon Models on January 09, 2018, 12:43:32 am
The gun looks very nice, I see 8 barrels, spares in case we break them?

Yes, that was the original idea, but then we decided to do two sets with different barrel size just like the M2 Browning - one for modellers and one for gamers.

Also, the sprue on the left is for the 2cm Flakvierling 38 and the one on the right is for the SdAh 51 ammo trailer.  ;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm Flakvierling 38 TS1 Sprues 180108
Post by: ripley on January 09, 2018, 08:51:54 am
Oh its the ammo trailer , I wondered what those rectangleir pieces were for .  And a choice of game or scale barrels , nice . I can see a couple of  kit bash  twin pedestal mounts  for one of my bunkers ( when I get around to building them ) with the extra barrels
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36 3D Prototype 180109
Post by: Rubicon Models on January 09, 2018, 01:12:32 pm
With so many exciting things happening at the same time, we are working non-stop to share our excitement with you all...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036%20Prototype%20180105-01_zpsm2kar4eb.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036%20Prototype%20180105-06_zpsztoadlys.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036%20Prototype%20180105-07_zpsihufktul.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036%20Prototype%20180105-08_zpszoyewumq.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036%20Prototype%20180105-09_zpsmjsb2mmr.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036%20Prototype%20180105-10_zpsrcwwsbtk.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036%20Prototype%20180105-11_zpsqxsfh29g.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036%20Prototype%20180105-12_zpshd9pnrzy.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036%20Prototype%20180105-13_zpsfob4vt3k.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036%20Prototype%20180105-14_zpsugcvvcpa.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036%20Prototype%20180105-15_zpsjmaparl5.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036%20Prototype%20180105-16_zpshqqpyzxz.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036%20Prototype%20180105-17_zpscxjy0ek6.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036%20Prototype%20180105-18_zpsyik1ecoz.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036%20Prototype%20180105-19_zpsfckeq0xx.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036%20Prototype%20180105-20_zpsctj0iej8.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036%20Prototype%20180105-21_zpsyz0wxnn9.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036%20Prototype%20180105-22_zpsqgc7jiue.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/88mm%20FlaK%2036%20Prototype%20180105-23_zpsewkemybl.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36 3D Prototype 180109
Post by: Pinky on January 09, 2018, 02:27:31 pm
Looking good!  Seems like quite a sophisticated build - hopefully it's fairly robust.  This one takes me back to the old Airfix 88mm set, which was one of the best kits they did in that range.

One query - are the wheels perhaps oversimplified?  Here is what the wheels on this version looked like:

(https://s17.postimg.org/76p8jy52z/88mwheel1.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/76p8jy52z/)

(https://s17.postimg.org/5ew9p215n/88mmflakwheel2.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5ew9p215n/)

The spokes don't seem to curve outwards, and are further inside the rim.  The bolt detail is also different.   I realise you need to simplify them a bit, but the wheels are quite a prominent feature on the model, so it's worth getting them right.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 88mm FlaK 36 3D Prototype 180109
Post by: ripley on January 09, 2018, 09:58:35 pm
Looks great . I think its a 3D print version of the gun pinky  , so some of the details will look a little " funny ", look at gun shield and barrel .  I think the wheels look ok , but each of us has our own standard to what  we want on a kit . I hope the Y shaped pegs on the out rigger legs are separate pieces  . They were large " tent peg " style thingies hammered into the ground on all four legs to keep the gun from moving
(https://s9.postimg.org/jv5ykw3gb/af6829b5320dd798fc6146cb788767b4--tank-warfare-ww-photos_LI.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/jv5ykw3gb/)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm Flakvierling 38 TS1 Sprues 180112
Post by: Rubicon Models on January 12, 2018, 10:05:57 pm
A more detailed look at the 2cm Flakvierling 38 TS1 plastic sprues...  Still have a lot of artefacts that needed to be fixed!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20TS1%20Sprue%20180108-01_zpsazjxfbu6.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20TS1%20Sprue%20180108-02_zps3jaojn1o.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20TS1%20Sprue%20180108-03_zpsgty3ta1v.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20TS1%20Sprue%20180108-05_zpsgevspkjh.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20TS1%20Sprue%20180108-04_zpsnmcv74ec.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20TS1%20Sprue%20180108-06_zpsnaiicamo.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20TS1%20Sprue%20180108-07_zpsd1omvjh2.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20TS1%20Sprue%20180108-09_zps9yddybiw.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm Flakvierling 38 TS1 Sprues 180112
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on January 12, 2018, 11:44:28 pm
Nice.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm Flakvierling 38 TS1 Sprues 180112
Post by: ripley on January 13, 2018, 01:24:23 am
Very nice indeed . Any chance of some extra 20 round clips and smaller runs  ( 2 or 3 ) ammo boxes rather than rows of 9 ( I assume they fit in the trailer )  ? As well some open boxes might be good for dioramas of a gun in combat . Or maybe you could include them with a separate gun crew
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm Flakvierling 38 TS1 Test Assembly 180115
Post by: Rubicon Models on January 15, 2018, 06:28:18 pm
We had been really busy at the studio as almost all the Test Shots for quite a few projects had poured in for inspection and test assemblies!  A lot of reports to write afterwards too!

With the addition of new mould making facilities, efficiency seems to increase but cost us more on mould development costs!  Also, we need extra time and efforts to smooth out issues with new mould makers as well.

Oh well, here is a series of montage images of the AA gun together with the trailer... just too many pictures to post individually.  Enjoy!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20TS1%20180108-01_zpsbkxt8wj1.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20TS1%20180108-06_zpsjuxfixsd.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20TS1%20180108-11_zpsb2tuf257.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20TS1%20180108-17_zpse0sggqbg.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20TS1%20180108-22_zps7cmhezx6.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20TS1%20180108-23_zpszg95fwxe.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/2cm%20FlaK%2038%20TS1%20180108-24_zpse3ntivt4.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm Flakvierling 38 TS1 Test Assembly 180115
Post by: ripley on January 27, 2018, 01:37:12 pm
Someone at Warlord must be checking out your site and getting nervous  , they have this listed in their latest newsletter as coming in 2018 . It could  be a version by one of  their partners  , either an up scaled PSC or a down scaled ( from 1/48 ) Italeri
(https://s9.postimg.org/cgp1g52ln/d5fecd05-bf77-43a0-aec2-cb03cf975a97.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/cgp1g52ln/)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm Flakvierling 38 TS1 Test Assembly 180115
Post by: Pinky on January 27, 2018, 02:47:04 pm
I'm sure Warlord keep close tabs on Rubicon.  And the timing of some of their releases can't be a coincidence (like the Maultier).  If this is Italeri, it could be good; if not, it's likely to be greatly inferior to Rubicon's.  It's a nice piece of artwork though - I wish Rubicon could improve the human figures in their box art.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm Flakvierling 38 TS1 Test Assembly 180115
Post by: Rubicon Models on January 27, 2018, 03:44:05 pm
From a different source, the WLG version is probably an Italeri 1/48 down-scaled version (without crew).  Don't care much as we will do our own things at our own pace with the usual high-quality standard we had maintained so far.

Our version is a FlaK 36 or FlaK 37 with two gun shield options, and expansion options such as the Flakpanzer IV and the SdKfz 7.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2037%20with%20SdAh%20202%20180127-1_zps5q3gj6qe.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 2cm Flakvierling 38 TS1 Test Assembly 180115
Post by: Jaeger on January 28, 2018, 12:38:41 pm
I would expect it will be an  Italeri down scaled 88.  Their 88 is also sold by Tamiya.
I am looking forward to all of these.
Will I have enough time and money for everything?
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - Battery Command's Telescope 180131
Post by: Rubicon Models on January 31, 2018, 06:00:12 pm
It is the nitty-gritty items that come with our kits that made us stand out from the crowd!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2037%20with%20SdAh%20202%20180127-2_zpsybn5qpkx.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - Battery Command's Telescope 180131
Post by: Jorge on February 26, 2018, 03:32:39 am
When do you think the 2cm 38 flakvierling will be available to purchase?
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - SdAh 52 Ammo Trailer TS2 Painted 180331
Post by: Rubicon Models on March 31, 2018, 02:23:15 pm
Painted version of the SdAh 52 Ammo trailer, TS2 Plastic...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/SdAh%2052%20180331-01_zpspbd4zf5t.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/SdAh%2052%20180331-02_zpsm12v2u3e.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/SdAh%2052%20180331-03_zpsrnk75sml.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/SdAh%2052%20180331-04_zpsy7q1ouyb.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - SdAh 52 Ammo Trailer TS2 Painted 180331
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on March 31, 2018, 03:48:43 pm
Nice again.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - SdAh 52 Ammo Trailer TS2 Painted 180331
Post by: ripley on March 31, 2018, 08:35:14 pm
Awesome paint job , just the right amount of chipping and rust . If it as photo shopped into a picture , I would swear it was the 1 to 1 scale real deal .  Oh , and working hinges , is that the next Rubicon kit improvement  ?  lol
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - SdAh 52 Carriage Trailer TS2 Painted 180402
Post by: Rubicon Models on April 02, 2018, 01:49:50 pm
The SdAh 52 besides being an ammunition trailer, it can also be a carriage trailer for the 2cm Flakvierling 38 as shown:

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2038%20with%20SdAh%2052%20180331-00_zpsxshyena0.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2038%20with%20SdAh%2052%20180331-01_zpsefuzqsgl.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2038%20with%20SdAh%2052%20180331-02_zpstpixrrkz.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2038%20with%20SdAh%2052%20180331-04_zpssgnwodkl.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2038%20with%20SdAh%2052%20180331-03_zpsn9oyncmu.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - SdAh 52 Carriage Trailer TS2 Painted 180402
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on April 02, 2018, 04:27:26 pm
Definitely more Dakka!
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - SdAh 52 Carriage Trailer TS2 Painted 180402
Post by: ripley on April 02, 2018, 11:41:46 pm
Looks great . What's Dakka smurf ?
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - SdAh 52 Carriage Trailer TS2 Painted 180402
Post by: elias.tibbs on April 02, 2018, 11:55:10 pm
Lots of dakka indeed
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - SdAh 52 Carriage Trailer TS2 Painted 180402
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on April 03, 2018, 12:57:29 am
Looks great . What's Dakka smurf ?
Quote
Sometimes some Dakka is not enough - in those situations more Dakka is needed. More Dakka is the art of solving problems by unloading as many rounds of ammunition at them as possible;
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoreDakka (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoreDakka)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - SdAh 52 Carriage Trailer TS2 Painted 180402
Post by: ripley on April 03, 2018, 07:44:35 am
Must be Brit slang , never heard of it here in Canada .
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - SdAh 52 Carriage Trailer TS2 Painted 180402
Post by: Pinky on April 03, 2018, 08:03:31 am
There’s a famous wargaming forum named after it.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - SdAh 52 Carriage Trailer TS2 Painted 180402
Post by: ripley on April 03, 2018, 09:06:19 am
Oh  that's  the 40 K forum . Never got bitten by the space fantasy bug , find it hard to paint tanks red or blue  and cover them in skulls  :o
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - SdAh 52 Carriage Trailer TS2 Painted 180402
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on April 03, 2018, 04:24:49 pm
Must be Brit slang , never heard of it here in Canada .
It is the automatic fire sound effect kids make.

Oh  that's  the 40 K forum . Never got bitten by the space fantasy bug , find it hard to paint tanks red or blue  and cover them in skulls  :o
It is the removing the skulls that is the challenge (and not in a vegetarian way - sorry British brand of  synthi-meat originally manufactured by ICI that sounds like a Great Womble trademark ^__^).

As a forum it gives me a migraine, content and colours.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 eDrawings 180407
Post by: Rubicon Models on April 07, 2018, 01:32:16 pm
3D drawings of a 3.7cm FlaK 43 with SdAh 58 trailer. Presumably a single sprue plastic kit that can be upgraded to become one of the following based on our planned releases:

(1) 3.7cm FlaK 43 Flakpanzer IV "Ostwind"
(2) Flakpanzer Mobelwagen with 3.7cm FlaK 43
(3) 3.7 cm Flak 43 auf SdKfz 7/2

Things are just getting better!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20180328-01_zpsqvifwhn6.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20180328-02_zpsdlzm3sat.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20180328-03_zpsypk4x0ei.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20180328-04_zpsqcus9si5.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 eDrawings 180407
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on April 07, 2018, 04:01:23 pm
Nice.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 eDrawings 180407
Post by: Ballardian on April 07, 2018, 10:19:29 pm

 Excellent stuff :)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 Prototype 180429
Post by: Rubicon Models on April 29, 2018, 01:41:57 am
A quick snapshot of the 3.7cm FlaK 43 prototype!  More photos to be posted later...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/3.7cm%20FlaK%2043%20180427-1_zpsednuxafl.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/3.7cm%20FlaK%2043%20180427-2_zpsmofcvtpz.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 Prototype 180429
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on April 29, 2018, 01:49:49 am
Nice.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 Prototype 180429
Post by: Ballardian on April 29, 2018, 03:21:59 am

 Great looking model :)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 Prototype 180429
Post by: Pinky on April 29, 2018, 09:04:54 pm
Another German gun?  It looks great, but it feels as though we're getting increasingly focused on German stuff.  Some Allied artillery would be very welcome.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 Prototype 180429
Post by: Rubicon Models on April 29, 2018, 10:32:17 pm
Another German gun?  It looks great, but it feels as though we're getting increasingly focused on German stuff.  Some Allied artillery would be very welcome.

It might be true, but this series of AA/AT guns are basically expansion add-on for the SdKfz 7.  We are already researching some Allied guns that we are interested... ;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 Prototype 180429
Post by: Pinky on April 30, 2018, 10:18:17 am
Yes, you explained how this gun will compliment other kits.  But meanwhile there are important Allied guns that would be far more useful to wargamers - like the 2-pdr, 6-pdr/57mm and the various Soviet pieces.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 Gun Crew 180505
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 05, 2018, 09:28:57 pm
Our ALL plastic 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 gun crew... a total of 8 figures in early to mid-war uniform.
Additional pewter crew in blister packs will be added upon gun release; that will include DAK and late war figures!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20Gun%20Crew%20180504-1_zpsvd93ghun.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20Gun%20Crew%20180504-2_zpsi05tznrp.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 Gun Crew 180505
Post by: Pinky on May 05, 2018, 10:28:03 pm
Aren't these figures in early war uniform?

Since you will only be doing alternative crews in metal, could you provide the basic crew with later uniforms, without jackboots?  They could then be painted for North Africa, Mediterranean, Norman and Russia.

These poses seem rather static too.  There's no urgency in their movement - they look like they are on an exercise.  Rather like the older Tamiya poses.  There should be at least one covering his ears, and someone pulling a round out of an ammo container.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Plastic 180508
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 08, 2018, 07:46:54 pm
It's not even Friday and we simply can't hold our excitement and anticipation over these batch of TS1 sprues from the mould factory... we're drooling all over!
More detailed pictures later!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20TS1%20Preview%20180508-1_zps2gwz0b85.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Plastic 180508
Post by: Tracks on May 08, 2018, 08:57:59 pm
Thanks Rubicon Models. The spues for the 88 look very good.

Hopefully Rubicon Models will be looking at some of the more important Allied AT-Guns that would very useful to wargamers. AT-Guns guns like the US 37mm and 57mm, British 2-pdr and 6-pdr/57mm, and some of the more common Soviet field guns.

There are still Axis guns to be looked at as well because there are the few Japanese AT-Guns that are seriously under represented in our hobby.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Plastic 180508
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 08, 2018, 09:14:05 pm
The Japanese and Allied Pacific forces are extremely under represented.

With the exception of Matildas, they are not an area of interest to me (though I am often surprised ^__^).
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Accessories 180509
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 09, 2018, 05:02:25 pm
Is it worth the wait? Besides getting just "the" gun, you also get tons of accessories too...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20Accessories%20180509-1_zpsxrfqkuuc.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Accessories 180509
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 09, 2018, 05:05:47 pm
Are these usable with the 88 in the Waffentrager?
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Accessories 180509
Post by: ripley on May 09, 2018, 08:10:49 pm
The Waffen tingy had the longer L71 gun like the Tiger II , so it had the  longer ammunition
(https://s31.postimg.cc/wkshlflbb/88mm-shell-comparison-10343-001.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/wkshlflbb/)
L - Tiger I , R- Tiger II   The Flak 88 shell has a different shaped  brass case
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Accessories 180509
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 09, 2018, 08:38:53 pm
Thanks.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Accessories 180509
Post by: ripley on May 09, 2018, 09:53:36 pm
As a modeller I would hope some company out there will at some time release shell and ammo box sets for 1/56 ( maybe in resin ? ) like we have for the larger scales . Always nice to have scale pieces to place on your dioramas or to add  to a kit build . There are some bits 1/35 stuff that might work , ie Miniart 45mm shells might work as 76mm shells in 1/56 ( if you don't look too close  ::) )
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Accessories 180509
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 10, 2018, 04:10:59 am
Now what would be nice would be 1/56 rounds in turned brass (and barrels as well).
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Accessories 180509
Post by: ripley on May 10, 2018, 07:38:06 am
Brass would be nice . It shouldn't really be to hard , some AM companies make single 50 cal brass cases and the disintegrating link belt in 1/35 . I'm sure Sherman 75mm and German Flak 88 rounds in 1/56 would be larger than those , hence easier to make .  Lots of bits made in photo etch , turned brass and resin for the 1/72 - 1/48 model plane guys as well . The big question is , how many of us would likely buy this stuff to make it worth someones while ( $$$ )  to produce it ?
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Assembled 180510
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 10, 2018, 12:03:41 pm
Quite impressed with the quality of this TS1 release, hopefully will get this gun an early completion!
The kit is simply being put together and lightly primed for our photo session. You can see the sharp details...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20TS1%20180509-01_zpskhczmh7w.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20TS1%20180509-02_zpsvxm5rbyb.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20TS1%20180509-03_zpsudywqheq.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20TS1%20180509-04_zpscxczbeh1.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20TS1%20180509-05_zpskvpgqlmn.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20TS1%20180509-06_zpsaiyqr1da.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20TS1%20180509-07_zps4qshzjpd.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20TS1%20180509-08_zpsphjqicm6.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20TS1%20180509-09_zpsu3zurrx7.jpg)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Assembled 180510
Post by: Pinky on May 10, 2018, 02:22:30 pm
Well that does look good. 
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Accessories 180509
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 10, 2018, 03:00:29 pm
Brass would be nice . It shouldn't really be to hard , some AM companies make single 50 cal brass cases and the disintegrating link belt in 1/35 . I'm sure Sherman 75mm and German Flak 88 rounds in 1/56 would be larger than those , hence easier to make .  Lots of bits made in photo etch , turned brass and resin for the 1/72 - 1/48 model plane guys as well . The big question is , how many of us would likely buy this stuff to make it worth someones while ( $$$ )  to produce it ?

A good question, I used to glance at the after-party turns and etched stuff in the Beatties in Holborn but did not look at the prices. I feel one tooling coming on.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Assembled 180510
Post by: ripley on May 10, 2018, 08:19:05 pm
The gun looks really good . But you have molded the ground stakes into the ends of the out riggers . These would be mounted to sides of the out riggers during transport
(https://s31.postimg.cc/pvmv8exxj/1200px-_Flak18-36_LI.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/pvmv8exxj/)

(https://s31.postimg.cc/8icktnxif/c8cc1be66c5566d4801f3022f2ed13b3_LI.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8icktnxif/)
There should be a Y shaped slot at the end of each leg when the stake is not in use .  I guess its too late to fix it , looks like it wil be  a real PIA to have to drill it out to show my  gun in transport mode ...
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Assembled 180510
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 10, 2018, 09:05:46 pm
The gun looks really good. But you have molded the ground stakes into the ends of the out riggers. These would be mounted to sides of the out riggers during transport

Yes, we know all along.  Can't do much to simplify assembly and moulding.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Assembled 180510
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 11, 2018, 02:06:21 am
Something we missed posting...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20TS1%20180509-10_zpsmfuz37e1.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Assembled 180510
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 11, 2018, 03:12:25 am
Cool!
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Crew Sprue 180512
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 12, 2018, 03:28:35 pm
TS1 plastic early war gun crew for the 88mm gun also arrived at the studio. Besides the EIGHT gun crew, we have also included spent shells and additional ammo boxes. Will post assembled crew later.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20Crew180511-1_zpslnmi3h28.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20Crew180511-2_zpsx5wpw3xk.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20Crew180511-3_zpsygslk7ry.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Crew Sprue 180512
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 12, 2018, 04:30:57 pm
Nice.

Will the other crews be plastic?
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Crew Sprue 180512
Post by: Pinky on May 12, 2018, 05:27:41 pm
Rubicon said earlier the other crews will be metal.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Crew Sprue 180512
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 12, 2018, 07:16:05 pm
If there is enough demand for DAK and mid or late war crew, we "might" do two plastic blister packs for them.  Initial releases of the additional crew will be in metal as planned.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Crew Sprue 180512
Post by: ripley on May 12, 2018, 10:10:40 pm
Very nice . Its good to see gun crew figures without all they're personal gear ( pouches / canteens etc)  , it would be left in the transport most of the time . Not much fun humping heavy ammo boxes and shells encumbered by stuff loosely  strapped to your body . I only see 2 ammo boxes with the figures and 2 with the gun , any chance of an ammo box set ? These guns usually had a lot of ammo sitting around them and on their transport vehicle .  Maybe a set with half dozen of each type  for  the 4 German guns you make ( 37/50/75/88 mm ) , they wouldn't have to be open as the plastic kit gives you that style , so maybe in resin ?  . I could use one , or two sets .  On another topic , just saw some of Rubicon's diagrams from there 221 armored car thread  used as visual  examples in a thread on Armorama , nice to see that they are getting a wider audience than just us in  the 1/56- 28mm crowd ,
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - Flakvierling 38 TS1 Crew Sprue 180516
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 16, 2018, 03:26:46 pm
One step closer to the Flakvierling 38 release... TS1 plastic crew are here at the studio!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2038%20TS1%20Crew%20Painted%20180516-01_zpsb3qvlvrp.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2038%20TS1%20Crew%20Painted%20180516-02_zpszijpe00c.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2038%20TS1%20Crew%20Painted%20180516-03_zpsjdvaurq4.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2038%20TS1%20Crew%20Painted%20180516-05_zpstae7crgr.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2038%20TS1%20Crew%20Painted%20180516-04_zps9n9uzlcw.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - Flakvierling 38 TS1 Crew Sprue 180516
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 16, 2018, 03:50:51 pm
Nice.

One of the modelling magazines had a German T34 armed with one of these.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 8.8cm FlaK 36/37 TS1 Crew Sprue 180512
Post by: Tracks on May 16, 2018, 09:06:28 pm
If there is enough demand for DAK and mid or late war crew, we "might" do two plastic blister packs for them.  Initial releases of the additional crew will be in metal as planned.

Couldn't the 88 crew (pictured above) also be used for-mid war? I have to double check this detail, but the early-war and mid-war uniform were very similar. For mid-war, both the pants and coat were German field-gray and not of two different colors as with the early-war uniforms.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - Flakvierling 38 TS1 Crew Sprue 180516
Post by: EarlyWarGamer on May 16, 2018, 09:24:36 pm
At some point, the German boots changed from the taller style (early war) to the lower style (see the mid-war crew above).
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - Flakvierling 38 TS1 Crew Sprue 180516
Post by: ripley on May 16, 2018, 09:46:18 pm
 As smurf mentioned the Panzer Abt 653 on the eastern front ( a Elephant unit ) had a quad 20mm T-34 , as well as a Berge Panther with a Panzer IV turret as a command tank . They also had the only Tiger I P in combat Use.
(https://s31.postimg.cc/q01wwx71j/t34_flak_specs.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/q01wwx71j/)

(https://s31.postimg.cc/ik2nb7r2v/t34_quad.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ik2nb7r2v/)

(https://s31.postimg.cc/vbgthv61j/t34_flak_3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/vbgthv61j/)

(https://s31.postimg.cc/dmp2ppjuf/draw01.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/dmp2ppjuf/)
Only 3 pictures of the flak have been found ( so far ) so a lot of detail is speculation , but very cool and something I would like to build , as is the Panther ( pictures from Panzerserra Bunker )
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - Flak 36/37 TS1 Crew Painted Preview 180521
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 21, 2018, 02:59:46 pm
A quick preview of our painted TS1 gun crew for the FlaK 36/37.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20FlaK%2036-37%20Gun%20Crew%20180519-1_zpsc0wy40hg.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - Flak 36/37 TS1 Crew Painted Preview 180521
Post by: Tracks on May 21, 2018, 04:02:05 pm
When will this new FlaK 36/37 model kit be available on the market? Best ETA is good enough. For me its never a rush because it takes between 2 to 4 months to get my Rubicon kits after I order them, so its more of just a curiosity.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FB%20FlaK%2036-37%20Gun%20Crew%20180519-1_zpsc0wy40hg.jpg)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - Flak 36/37 TS1 Crew Painted Preview 180521
Post by: elias.tibbs on May 21, 2018, 08:12:18 pm
Where are you from tracks?
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - Flak 36/37 TS1 Crew Painted 180522
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 22, 2018, 04:04:05 pm
This is a FOUR sprue plastic kit and included tons of goodies... pushing for a Q3 release at an extremely competitive price but an ALL PLASTIC kit!

We are also looking into releasing the gun as a standalone TWO sprue kit so that customers can use non-RM gun crew, such as the Perrys or other manufacturers, and without the SdAh 202 carriage... an inexpensive alternative to replace existing metal or resin 88mm guns!  This is something we are still exploring... so no promises!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20Crew180522-01_zpsj7iv7y3g.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20Crew180522-02_zpsuwlu4iuw.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20Crew180522-03_zpsxwmsdwuw.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20Crew180522-04_zpsjcnjvibs.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20Crew180522-05_zpsmocpgdk4.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - Flak 36/37 TS1 Crew Painted 180522
Post by: tyroflyer on May 22, 2018, 09:36:25 pm
An optional two sprue kit is a good idea.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - Flak 36/37 TS1 Crew Painted 180522
Post by: Pinky on May 22, 2018, 11:17:24 pm
The gun and accessories look wonderful.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - Flak 36/37 TS1 Crew Painted 180522
Post by: ripley on May 23, 2018, 10:41:55 am
I like the idea of just releasing the gun without wheels / crew , etc . I was thinking of building one in transit with its SdKfz 7 half track ( in a diorama ) as well as one in combat , and was wondering what to do the extra bits . Now I don't have to , thanks Rubicon .As well there are some paper panzer type vehicle mounted guns out there that look like a fun build .
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - Flak 36/37 TS1 Crew Painted 180522
Post by: elias.tibbs on May 24, 2018, 02:10:28 pm
It’s a very welcome idea for me, as I was going to need a few for terrain and didn’t need the crews.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 DAK Gun Crew 180803
Post by: Rubicon Models on August 03, 2018, 07:10:31 pm
These are the painted 3D prototypes of the DAK gun crew for the FlaK 37/37.  Will be cast in pewter and sold as blister packs.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AT%20Guns/FlaK%2036-37%20DAK%20Crew%20180803-1_zpsq58clx8s.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 DAK Gun Crew 180803
Post by: EarlyWarGamer on August 03, 2018, 07:56:32 pm
Those look lovely! I want 'em!
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 DAK Gun Crew 180803
Post by: Pinky on August 04, 2018, 12:36:51 am
They do look good.  I wish they were plastic.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 DAK Gun Crew 180803
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on August 04, 2018, 01:35:48 am
They look good. How will they be based?
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 DAK Gun Crew 180803
Post by: Rubicon Models on August 04, 2018, 01:37:28 am
They look good. How will they be based?

They will come with our 25mm round lip bases.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 DAK Gun Crew 180803
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on August 04, 2018, 02:12:54 am
They look good. How will they be based?

They will come with our 25mm round lip bases.
Sorry I was unclear, how do they attach to the bases? Do the figures have integral bases or pins?
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 DAK Gun Crew 180803
Post by: Rubicon Models on August 04, 2018, 02:15:53 am
how do they attach to the bases? Do the figures have integral bases or pins?

Our figures do not have an integral base; only pins on one leg... sometimes on both.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 DAK Gun Crew 180803
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on August 04, 2018, 03:53:55 am
how do they attach to the bases? Do the figures have integral bases or pins?

Our figures do not have an integral base; only pins on one leg... sometimes on both.
Thanks, pins are fine, I just did not want to have to drill the feet.

What diameter will they be?
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 DAK Gun Crew 180803
Post by: Tracks on August 04, 2018, 04:12:31 am
They do look good.  I wish they were plastic.

I agree.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 Decal Sheet 180818
Post by: Rubicon Models on August 18, 2018, 07:41:27 pm
Not having time to post much lately because of everyone at the studio is busy finalising all related material for our Q3/18 releases.
Here is the preliminary decal sheet design for the FlaK 36/37 AA/AT gun.  The sheet is only half size compared to our normal decal sheet:

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Waterslide%20Decals/FlaK%2036-37%20Decal%20180717-1_zpshhd2r0sw.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 Decal Sheet 180818
Post by: EarlyWarGamer on August 18, 2018, 11:08:49 pm
Those a great. Loving you have included decals for the crew as well!
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 Decal Sheet 180818
Post by: ripley on August 19, 2018, 07:10:06 am
Nice variety of kill markings , and really like the crew rank chevrons  and helmet shields
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 Decal Sheet 180818
Post by: Rubicon Models on August 19, 2018, 07:05:54 pm
If you like the previous layout, this one is even better!  We have now updated the design to include one row of Luftwaffe helmet eagles... an optional Luftwaffe gun crew will be available soon!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Waterslide%20Decals/FlaK%2036-37%20Decal%20180717-2_zpsrzcsr95l.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - FlaK 36/37 Decal Sheet 180818
Post by: elias.tibbs on August 19, 2018, 09:49:27 pm
At least Germany has removed the restrictions on the swastika now.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 TS1 Plastic 181012
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 12, 2018, 11:16:38 pm
First plastic test shot of our 3.7cm Flak 43 AA cannon... a single sprue kit with 3 gun crew.
More test assembled images later!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20181008-1_zpstbk8fvlw.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 TS1 Plastic 181012
Post by: ripley on October 13, 2018, 07:55:12 am
Sweet . So many possibilities , field mount , in a concrete Atlantic Wall gun pit or mounted on a vehicle
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 TS1 Primed 181013
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 13, 2018, 02:15:23 pm
The 3.7cm Flak 43 was a fully automatic cannon and effective against aircraft flying at altitudes up to 4,200m. The cannon was produced in both towed and self-propelled versions.

Our initial release is a single plastic sprue kit accompanied by a 3 gun crew figure sprue. The gun can be assembled in mounted or dismounted position and come with the SdAh 58 trailer.

The gun can also be mounted on our upcoming SdKfz 7 plastic kit as a SdKfz 7/2. Future planned releases include converted Panzer IV variants - the Möbelwagen and the Ostwind.


(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20Primed%20181012-01_zpswoguesom.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20Primed%20181012-02_zpshhcpe0da.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20Primed%20181012-03_zpsiegmci8e.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20Primed%20181012-04_zpsg4mlmjyg.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20Primed%20181012-05_zpsy3eukh9o.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20Primed%20181012-06_zpssjvqawip.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20Primed%20181012-07_zps8qwgiv71.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20Primed%20181012-08_zpsifxkmhgi.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 TS1 Primed 181013
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on October 13, 2018, 04:49:16 pm
Very nice.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 TS1 Primed 181013
Post by: Ballardian on October 13, 2018, 09:34:42 pm

 Lovely, I look forward to building a SdKfz 7/2 :)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 TS1 Primed 181013
Post by: Jaeger on October 13, 2018, 09:48:57 pm
I'm looking forward to the SdKfz 7 and the 3.7cm Flak 43.
This Anti-air cannon has so many possibilities.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 TS1 Primed 181013
Post by: Pinky on October 15, 2018, 11:01:55 pm
It's lovely, but that gun barrel is most definitely not designed with wargaming in mind.  I think Rubicon needs to keep in mind that most buyers of their kits are wargamers.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 TS1 Primed 181013
Post by: elias.tibbs on October 16, 2018, 05:21:57 am
It's lovely, but that gun barrel is most definitely not designed with wargaming in mind.  I think Rubicon needs to keep in mind that most buyers of their kits are wargamers.

Their 20mm comes with both barrrls. Maybe this one does too?
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 TS1 Primed 181013
Post by: ripley on October 16, 2018, 07:50:00 am
If you look back  at the quad 20mm gun sprue , you notice it comes with 8 guns , 4 in scale and 4 a little bit sturdier for your gamer   . The 37mm gun sprue only has one gun . There fore unless Rubicon add an extra gun , all we are getting is the scale barrelled gun  and that's OK by me .  A lot of companies  don't give you extra bits like the scale / game 50 cal machine guns that Rubicon do in their Sherman kits , just have to be more careful I guess .
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 TS1 Primed 181013
Post by: tyroflyer on October 16, 2018, 03:31:18 pm
Yes, jumping on your models after a few bad dice rolls is not recommended! Although a spare barrel would be a bonus.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 TS2 Painted 190323
Post by: Rubicon Models on March 23, 2019, 11:18:39 pm
Finally get around to show you the painted 3.7cm FlaK 37 AA cannon with crew in deployed and on-tow mode...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20Painted%20190323-01_zpsohxizhbb.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20Painted%20190323-02_zpsuu1fz2ls.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20Painted%20190323-03_zpsncypkihn.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20Painted%20190323-04_zpsidhxhtew.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20Painted%20190323-05_zps0vbebcin.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20Painted%20190323-06_zpsxh1amydw.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20Painted%20190323-07_zpsjfcpgapt.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20Painted%20190323-08_zps6okvc9uj.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20Painted%20190323-09_zpsa7l4j5oq.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20Painted%20190323-10_zpsp0xrm4yj.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20Painted%20190323-11_zpsvtqvjupa.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20Painted%20190323-12_zpsnrwmcvea.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/AA%20Guns/FlaK%2043%20TS1%20Painted%20190323-13_zpsyaozfhwg.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 TS2 Painted 190323
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on March 24, 2019, 12:02:29 am
Nice, again.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 TS2 Painted 190323
Post by: Tracks on March 24, 2019, 11:57:13 pm
While this German AA gun looks really good, it will be great to see some Allied AT-Guns in the near future.
Title: Re: German AA/AT Guns - 3.7cm FlaK 43 TS2 Painted 190323
Post by: Rubicon Models on March 25, 2019, 01:58:28 am
While this German AA gun looks really good, it will be great to see some Allied AT-Guns in the near future.

Think this will be the last of the German field guns for a long while... ;)