Rubicon Models

Rubicon Models => Work In Progress => Topic started by: Rubicon Models on April 26, 2016, 04:20:55 pm

Title: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Bike crew update 170215
Post by: Rubicon Models on April 26, 2016, 04:20:55 pm
Originally an April Fool bluff...
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Misc%20Images/BMW%20Sidecar%20160401-2_zps3eljk4pv.jpg)

May be not...
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20April%20Fool%20160426-1_zpsfkf3g0vg.jpg)
Title: Re: April Fool Motorrad...
Post by: Rubicon Models on April 26, 2016, 05:27:38 pm
Here is the proposed features:
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/FB%20BMW%20R75%20Bike%20160426-1_zpsfqiuad4h.jpg)

...and the 3D drawings:
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/FB%20BMW%20R75%20Bike%20160426-2_zpsdncjndzi.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/FB%20BMW%20R75%20Bike%20160426-3_zpstjpttk0v.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/FB%20BMW%20R75%20Bike%20160426-4_zps6026ntzu.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/FB%20BMW%20R75%20Bike%20160426-5_zpskzsa6jfc.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: April Fool Motorrad - now with 3D drawings!
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on April 26, 2016, 06:24:04 pm
Nice.

Any chance of a non military rider option?

Currently there is only the ex-Wargames Factory bikes in plastic in 28mm scale.
Title: Re: April Fool Motorrad - now with 3D drawings!
Post by: Pinky on April 26, 2016, 07:04:20 pm
I would love to see a BMW in plastic in this scale.  The crew would probably make or break it in terms of appeal - some dynamic crew figures would really sell it as a kit.  Especially if you could include some DAK figures.  It's still a rather small model - I wonder if it would make sense to package it with a Kubelwagen?  I suppose you could have 2 bikes per box.
Title: Re: April Fool Motorrad - now with 3D drawings!
Post by: chrismanu87 on April 26, 2016, 07:21:20 pm
I've imagined that!
Title: Re: April Fool Motorrad - now with 3D drawings!
Post by: ripley on April 26, 2016, 08:22:00 pm
Excellent !
Title: Re: April Fool Motorrad - now with 3D drawings!
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on April 27, 2016, 12:38:35 am
It's still a rather small model - I wonder if it would make sense to package it with a Kubelwagen?  I suppose you could have 2 bikes per box.
That is the problem, the model is small but how many parts are required?

I know I have seen Bolt Action rules for motorbike infantry, but do not know where, or how many are needed for a unit.

Even two bikes and a Kubelwagen in a two sprue box would feel a bit expensive. It would make a great command unit though, great for behind the lines scenarios.
Title: Re: April Fool Motorrad - now with 3D drawings!
Post by: elias.tibbs on April 27, 2016, 12:57:02 am
So.. Maybe a box of 5 bikes/crew with the parts to make one of them a sidecar?
Title: Re: April Fool Motorrad - now with 3D drawings!
Post by: airborne on April 27, 2016, 03:45:40 am
I like U.S.A. most of all but the idea of these to tie in command is appealing   Things tend to get left out when metal are 5-8 £ each, plastic and several in a box is cool. Same as your jeep, in most real WW2 shots there are 3 plus, so two with so many options make life grand.
Title: Re: April Fool Motorrad - now with 3D drawings!
Post by: Yaquir on April 27, 2016, 04:45:56 pm
Very cool - i need a couple of them!
Title: Re: April Fool Motorrad - now with 3D drawings!
Post by: stevepalffy on April 27, 2016, 05:24:51 pm
Bring on the DAK riders in Troical uniform....Goggles....Rubber  suits and overcoats will be great too !
Title: Re: April Fool Motorrad - now with 3D drawings!
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 05, 2016, 02:46:36 pm
The studio is now as busy as it can gets - OEM projects, new releases, and our own ongoing projects!
Still managed to upload this for your preview... a diorama base for the BMW!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20Base%20160504-1_zpsdzp2hbla.jpg)
Enjoy~
;)
Title: Re: April Fool Motorrad - now with 3D drawings!
Post by: Yaquir on May 05, 2016, 03:39:09 pm
Great! Want have! :)
Title: Re: April Fool Motorrad - now with 3D drawings!
Post by: Pinky on May 05, 2016, 06:22:22 pm
Yes, I like that.  Is the base size intended to match any particular game?
Title: Re: April Fool Motorrad - now with 3D drawings!
Post by: stevepalffy on May 05, 2016, 06:57:55 pm
Looks cool....
But we would rather have an extra Bike on the sprue .
Title: Re: April Fool Motorrad - now with 3D drawings!
Post by: ripley on May 05, 2016, 08:20:51 pm
While the diorama base is very nice , I feel most Gamers would have a stash of extra bases suited to the rest of their forces , and Modellers would probably wish to make their own base   ( I would  :) ). Better to use the sprue space for extra crew  equipment or maybe extra arms and heads for conversions .
Title: Re: April Fool Motorrad - now with 3D drawings!
Post by: airborne on May 06, 2016, 03:40:05 am
Love the base but I would also prefer to use my own or none for vehicles, a solo bike being held by wire, or on a transparent  base.   
Title: Re: April Fool Motorrad - now with 3D drawings!
Post by: elias.tibbs on May 06, 2016, 04:45:00 am
Agree with Steve there, although a cool idea I'd rather see more bikes or stuff on the sprue or multiple sprues of bikes over bases.
Title: Re: April Fool Motorrad - now with 3D drawings!
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 06, 2016, 12:41:55 pm
Thanks for the comments and feedback!  These concept sculpts is one of the important steps during our project development phase.
 ;)
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160516
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 16, 2016, 12:07:47 pm
3D sculpt of bikers in Kradmantel...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/FB%20Bike%20Rider%20160516-1_zpsmpudhsta.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/FB%20Bike%20Rider%20160516-2_zpsflqgbtsj.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160516
Post by: stevepalffy on May 16, 2016, 12:21:31 pm
They look great !
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160516
Post by: Pinky on May 16, 2016, 01:51:00 pm
The figures look fantastic.  Can you replicate this in plastic?

One point I noticed now the figures are on board is that the wheels look a bit too small.  Looking at photos of the actual bike, the mudguard on the front wheel seems to be higher than the top of the sidecar, and the wheels are correspondingly bigger. 
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160516
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 16, 2016, 02:17:14 pm
The figures look fantastic.  Can you replicate this in plastic?
Probably yes.  When we do the initial sculpt, we will try to take undercuts into consideration,
and hopefully upon pose approval, we will start to take care of the undercut portions of the
sculpt.

One point I noticed now the figures are on board is that the wheels look a bit too small.  Looking at photos of the actual bike, the mudguard on the front wheel seems to be higher than the top of the sidecar, and the wheels are correspondingly bigger.
The bike is checked for scale-related issues before we send the drawing to the sculptor.
We are quite sure it is of the correct scale.  However, the figures are a bit over sized.  This is
because we need to go "in line" with other third party figures, which is even bigger in 1/56 scale.

For larger vehicles, it is not that obvious, but when you worked with smaller vehicles, the "scale"
issue become an issue.  We can ignore it and keep using our standard templates, or scale up
the "smaller" vehicles to make it look right.

We are still debating this issue with our staff at the studio.  Anyway, the scale related issues can
be adjusted easily before production.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160516
Post by: Pinky on May 16, 2016, 06:43:28 pm
I think it's fine for the figures to be a bit oversized, as is common with 28mm.  But the wheels look undersized just compared to the rest of the bike.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160516
Post by: ripley on May 16, 2016, 10:06:14 pm
The wheels do look a little small , but not as bad as the Perry Bros  bike shown a few weeks ago , that looked like something clowns would ride .  :) I do think that compromises have to be made in producing a kit that can be used as a game piece as well as a scale model , not to mention that the " scale " game figures are for the most part " heroic " in size which is not true to scale    ::) . Its a fine line and I think that Rubicon has done a good job of trying to balance all these factors . 
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160516
Post by: elias.tibbs on May 17, 2016, 05:11:34 am
The perry's had the same issue with their metal bikes, the wheels just looked too small and odd so they took them off sale and are now increasing the wheels by 20% or something near that
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160516
Post by: airborne on May 17, 2016, 11:01:11 pm
Darn it Rubicon I wasn`t going to go to many Axis, but these. Woww!!! If a shade on how they look now what a hit you will have when modelled. Brilliant. How about a troop of Harley D`s eh ?
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160519
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 19, 2016, 10:50:00 pm
An quick update with some Wehrmacht Kradschützen bike riders...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/FB%20Bike%20Rider%20160516-3_zps9wg7rdqv.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160519
Post by: Pinky on May 20, 2016, 12:03:19 am
The bike starts to look a bit overcrowded with 3 overscale figures on it, but they are well designed figures.  Also, the motorbike and sidecar was inceasingly rare as the war went on (replaced by the Kubeleagen), so mid-war figures seem less appropriate.  Some DAK figures would arguably be more useful.

Still think the wheels look too small.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160519
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 20, 2016, 12:30:57 am
The bike starts to look a bit overcrowded with 3 overscale figures on it, but they are well designed figures.  Also, the motorbike and sidecar was inceasingly rare as the war went on (replaced by the Kubeleagen), so mid-war figures seem less appropriate.  Some DAK figures would arguably be more useful.

For Kradschützen squads, the standard organization for each squad was 3 infantry
per motorcycle.  We will also have DAK figures as well.


Still think the wheels look too small.

Yes, we are quite aware of the issue and had a heated debate at the studio.  It would be
impractical to just scale up the wheels and not the whole bike.  But then, we will not be
able to call it 1/56 scale, but only 28mm...

The figures are over-sized and that's understandable because of the nature of this produce. 
May be one day, we will do some "true" 1/56 scale figures to go with our products when
the time is right!
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160519
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 20, 2016, 01:09:55 am
On the subject of wheel size, would it be possible to do what the model railway suppliers do, and supply two sizes of wheel, a 1/56 set and a "28mm" set?
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160519
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 20, 2016, 01:40:06 am
On the subject of wheel size, would it be possible to do what the model railway suppliers do, and supply two sizes of wheel, a 1/56 set and a "28mm" set?

The bike itself is already very tiny and by separating the wheels from the vehicle it will make
modeling a nightmare; and a design challenge as well... almost everything are interconnected
if you look at the images above closely.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160519
Post by: ripley on May 20, 2016, 08:24:36 am
I think this looks pretty good . Not 100 % but the best that can do in this scale as a war game piece / model without going for a 100 piece kit  ::). Once on the table with a ground covered base this should look ace . And yes the troops do look a little large , but most tank crews I have either bought or converted are that way as well . In fact the figures I do have that are accurate scale look too small  ::). I guess its a compromise , but I'm ok with it .    I would recommend removing the saddle drum magazine from the mg 34 , by mid war they were being replaced by the 50 round drum or just a ammo belt . Or maybe include both versions of the mg 34 , so the bike can be used as early or mid war .
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160519
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 20, 2016, 09:53:53 am
And yes the troops do look a little large , but most tank crews I have either bought or converted are that way as well . In fact the figures I do have that are accurate scale look too small  ::). I guess its a compromise , but I'm ok with it.

We do started with "true" 1/56 scale sculpts, and turned out to be at least 15% smaller than
anything on the market.  We have to redo the sculpt and upscale it to match what are currently
available (at least close to the Perrys).  It is a hard choice, but it is something we need to do to
make our product "compatible".


I would recommend removing the saddle drum magazine from the mg 34 , by mid war they were being replaced by the 50 round drum or just a ammo belt . Or maybe include both versions of the mg 34 , so the bike can be used as early or mid war .

No worry, we have both MGs and drums included in the kit!  ;)
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160519
Post by: Pinky on May 20, 2016, 11:16:46 am
I'm fine with the figures being overscale - that's what we expect from 28mm.  However, cramming 3 oversize figures onto a 'true scale' bike tends to emphasize the scale disparity, which is why I questioned it.  And motorcycle troops were common in the early war period, which is why I questioned whether it's worth including figures in mid-war uniforms.

I'm still not convinced on the wheel size.  Ignoring the figures, the wheels look small compared to the rest of the bike, when you look at photos of the real thing.  The front mudguard, for instance, seems lower than it does in photos.  I realise that photos can be misleading, but are Rubicon's designers sure this is right? 

Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160519
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 20, 2016, 11:20:57 am
I'm still not convinced on the wheel size.  Ignoring the figures, the wheels look small compared to the rest of the bike, when you look at photos of the real thing.  The front mudguard, for instance, seems lower than it does in photos.  I realise that photos can be misleading, but are Rubicon's designers sure this is right?

We have double checked with other scaled models in 1/48 and 1/35... pretty much sure we are correct!
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160519
Post by: stevepalffy on May 20, 2016, 11:55:48 am
Different types of tires

(http://s32.postimg.org/di3f0axj5/images_78.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/di3f0axj5/)



(http://s32.postimg.org/bru19obpd/images_128.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/bru19obpd/)



(http://s32.postimg.org/ev8ji9utd/2016_05_20_13_49_50_1219391324.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ev8ji9utd/)
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160519
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 20, 2016, 01:19:47 pm
Thank you for everyone's interest on the BMW wheel & tyre sizes.  May be we can
elaborate a little bit more on this subject.

Current Plastic Kits on the Market

Tamiya - 1/48 - tyre size is 12.7mm - 610mm actual size

MB Models - 1/35 - tyre size is 16.9mm - 592mm actual size

Ours @1/56 - 11.25mm - 635mm actual size   <- actually already larger than any of the above!

From non-official website regarding the BMW R75, the spec as follow:

tyre size is 4.5 X 16 (standard inch system)
link: http://www.bmbikes.co.uk/specpages/R75_sidecar_unit.htm

More on tyre size info can be found here:
link: https://www.denniskirk.com/learn/tire-sizes-explained


Hope this will clarify on how we obtained our measurements.
;)
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160519
Post by: Pinky on May 20, 2016, 02:29:49 pm
I think everyone is very enthusiastic about this kit, and wants Rubicon to avoid the issue that has plagued several other small scale versions of this bike - not just the Perry's; most 1/72 scale versions look a bit like a child's the toy bike as well.  There's no doubt that the overscale figures make the wheels look smaller than they are.  But despite all the measuring etc that's been done, they seem to sit too low compared to the real bike.   
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160519
Post by: stevepalffy on May 20, 2016, 08:18:17 pm
Looking good so far...but it would probably  be better if the figures were decreased in size by 10%....and maybe can we see a digital  drawing of the bike from a higher level looking slightly down on it...it may just be the angle of view but tires look to small and thin still compared to the real bikes ?
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160519
Post by: Pinky on May 21, 2016, 11:42:16 pm
One more suggestion - when viewed from a distance, spoked wheels don't look solid.  The spoked area will be empty space.  The brake disc is the most noticeable feature.  Painting this black and highlighting the spoked detail doesn't achieve the same effect - the wheels still look solid.  Have you considered leaving the spoked area open? 
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160519
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 21, 2016, 11:57:04 pm
One more suggestion - when viewed from a distance, spoked wheels don't look solid.  The spoked area will be empty space.  The brake disc is the most noticeable feature.  Painting this black and highlighting the spoked detail doesn't achieve the same effect - the wheels still look solid.  Have you considered leaving the spoked area open?

Unless with etched brass, it would be impossible.  This little beast is so small to start with,
is not worth the effort to complicated the build process.  We have the 3D prototype which
we will post here after getting the new releases out of the warehouse!  By then, you will
understand the reason...

;)
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160519
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 22, 2016, 03:42:33 am
I have the Warlord/Factory bike gang from the Project Z set, the bikes have spoked wheels.

I have not assembled them. There should be some sprue photographs online.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Sculpts 160519
Post by: Pinky on May 22, 2016, 10:12:31 am
Unless with etched brass, it would be impossible.  This little beast is so small to start with,
is not worth the effort to complicated the build process.  We have the 3D prototype which
we will post here after getting the new releases out of the warehouse!  By then, you will
understand the reason...

Matchbox's 1/72 scale BMW and side car had open wheels.  I mean with no spokes, in case that was unclear.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Prototype 160530
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 30, 2016, 07:29:03 pm
Just one more post before our UK trip for UK Games Expo...
3D prototype for the BMW R75!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20R75%20160526-01_zpsdq8ouh8t.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20R75%20160526-02_zpsbuxnr7ot.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20R75%20160526-03_zpsh8rwr0if.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20R75%20160526-04_zpsqj7ry0kq.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20R75%20160526-05_zpskaakfzbi.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20R75%20160526-06_zps17yflo1g.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20R75%20160526-07_zpsxk69o6ps.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20R75%20160526-08_zpsahhooxzz.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20R75%20160526-09_zps0kzomqxq.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Prototype 160530
Post by: Yaquir on May 30, 2016, 07:57:46 pm
Wow, looks really very good!
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Prototype 160530
Post by: nazadsam on June 05, 2016, 04:02:02 am
How did i miss this :) great looking model
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Prototype 160620
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 20, 2016, 07:10:21 pm
This is the last of the 3 crew sets - in DAK uniform...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/FB%20Bike%20Rider%20160620-1_zpsxpsiaxze.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Prototype 160620
Post by: stevepalffy on June 20, 2016, 08:14:05 pm
Really looks good....Looking forwards to these
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Prototype 160620
Post by: ripley on June 20, 2016, 08:40:46 pm
Good looking figures . I really like that your planning a variety of crew types for your vehicles , not everyone models the same theatre or year of the war . Hopefully the figures will all have separate arms . ( I do go on about it don't I ?  ::) ) .  If I get three of these bikes I want a to create a  variety of crew , not clones . Also I'll assume the mg 42 pictured is just a cad render , I don't think DAK used them on bikes and if they did it was with the single ammo drum , the saddle drum pictured was only mounted on the mg34 and air craft crew mounts
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Prototype 160620
Post by: H0ffmn on June 20, 2016, 10:03:41 pm
The double saddle drum was only used on the MG34. They made a replacement top receiver cover,which had a slot  which the double saddle drum would be fitted into, replacing the top cover on the MG 34.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Prototype 160620
Post by: Pinky on June 20, 2016, 10:41:41 pm
The DAK crew look very good.  I'd prefer them in long pants, as shorts weren't permitted in the front line and were rarely worn in combat (except by Panzer crewmen) - and photos show DAK motorcyclists in long pants.

The MG-42 was rare in DAK service, and wasn't fitted to motorcycle combinations as the motorcycle combination had fallen out of favour in recon units by then.  I've also suggested to Rubicon that they drop the mid-war crew (i.e. the figures with leggings instead of boots) for the same reason.  That would mean only needing to fit 2 sets of crew on the sprue.

With this crew the apparent size issue with the wheels is less obvious.  I gather there's no desire to deal with this.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Prototype 160620
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 20, 2016, 10:48:08 pm
@Pinky, nothing is firm as of now.  All figures are still at their initial design stage. 
Will amend as we go along.  Upcoming studio meeting will decide on the spec.  Once
confirmed, we will post the final production spec here for comment.

As for the DAK MGs, both will be included in the kit.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Prototype 160620
Post by: ripley on June 21, 2016, 08:09:25 am
HOffmn , the saddle drum fit both the modified mg34 as you stated and it was used in aircraft on mg15 ( Stuka rear gunner for example ) .  Rubicon , nice to get both guns in the kit as long as the saddle drum is on the mg34 and the single 50 round drum is on the mg42 .  And don't do what Warlord did and mount it on the wrong side of the gun  ::) .
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - 3D Prototype 160620
Post by: H0ffmn on June 21, 2016, 10:24:51 am
Yes it was. I meant that between the two, the MG-34 and the MG-42, it was only used with the MG-34.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Need HELP! 160630
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 30, 2016, 12:28:30 am
Anyone had more info about the round container (labeled as #8)?

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/65346bc6-7565-4c8e-8ff9-d9dacc0d2e44_zpstbp1luql.jpg)

We know it is a filter of some sort that might be used as a heater/filter or something.
It was added during the autumn of 1942.  But not sure for which theatre...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/f8d7a8e2-cea9-48e2-8456-a0b8f51f7e41_zpsedqlt0k2.jpg)

Translation from the above photo states...

1st picture:  To clean the air filter it's necessary to open the hatch. The filter material is felt.
By opening the hatch you have access to the felt bellows filter. Now you can remove it. It is
possible to clean the filter by shaking it, this is enough to be able to drive the machine
immediately. The lever arm is used to adjust the inlet openings for air. This is so when you
start the engine a warm air fuel mixture is created. After the engine has run a while and is
warm you can switch the level back from start to drive.  Once is this is done the air inlet is
fully opened.

2nd picture:  Cleaning the air filter of a BMW R 75. A mechanic is cleaning the below shaped
felt filter in front of the open steel hatch. You can see the openings and pipe support.

Seems like an operating manual...

Not all bikes had this canister installed, even after Autumn 1942.  So we think it might be
war theatre related.  It will affect the sitting pose of our biker sculpt... that's why we need
to know this in detail!

From initial research, we thought it might be used in the desert due to the cold night and hot day,
plus the sand and such.  But if the bike was manufactured in 1943, then it would be painted in
Dunkelgelb instead of Panzergrau.

Any help is welcome!


BTW, we do have two German websites for references, but is very difficult for us to fully
understand what they are talking about...

http://wh-versand.de/WHV_Artikel_DV.html#2006056
http://www.fahrzeuge-der-wehrmacht.de/Artikel/BMW_R75.html
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Need HELP! 160630
Post by: elias.tibbs on June 30, 2016, 06:02:53 am
I will ask someone who might know
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Need HELP! 160630
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 30, 2016, 06:52:41 pm
Anybody?   ;D
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Need HELP! 160630
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on June 30, 2016, 09:06:54 pm
I have contacted a local motorcycle expert to see if he knows anything about the R75, but he is at work at the moment (without email access).
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Need HELP! 160630
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 30, 2016, 09:12:14 pm
Even though we have goggled everywhere for hints as to what this filter does,
we basically wanted to know which war theatre used it...
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Need HELP! 160630
Post by: elias.tibbs on July 01, 2016, 02:57:10 am
I've spoken to a friend who used to work at BMW Motorrad. I think he helped with part design or something.

He thinks it's an enlarged Air filter to deal with desert conditions, but he's going to check with some of his old colleagues.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Need HELP! 160630
Post by: elias.tibbs on July 01, 2016, 05:04:41 am
I got a response

"On earlier models has been a toolbox on top of the tank which did get replaced and it became the Airbox. Under this cover is the Airfilter"

It then was deleted compleley. Afraid I don't have a date/model of when it was deleted.

Does that help? Any further questions?
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Need HELP! 160630
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 01, 2016, 09:58:03 am
Thanks~ that's basically the same conclusion we had at the studio.
We just wanted to confirm it is for desert use, and not for other theatres!
;)
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Need HELP! 160630
Post by: Pinky on July 01, 2016, 10:20:08 am
It's the metal cover for the air filter, which was relocated from the transmission to the top of the fuel tank in June 1942 so it wouldn't pick up as much road dust.  It was wasn't just intended for desert use.  You can find photos of bikes on the Eastern front with this feature.

Maybe leave this feature off if it's messing up the figure design?  Your kit can depict the initial version, which was arguably the most important anyway.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - DAK Crew Update 160706
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 06, 2016, 12:41:04 am
An update on our DAK bike crew...  Decided to revise crew with long trousers
instead of shorts to go inline with the Perry's DAK. If you still wanted the crew
in shorts, we might release them at a later date.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/DAK%20Bike%20Rider%20160705-1_zpsdvzoplxs.jpg)
Enjoy!
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - DAK Crew Update 160706
Post by: Pinky on July 06, 2016, 10:42:53 am
Excellent!  Would it be possible to remove the rifle from the figure driving the bike?  He wouldn't normally have one, and it would also be really useful to have more figures without webbing, as they can then be used as tank crew.  These troops would also be wearing less gear - in particular, the machine gunner wouldn't have rifle ammo pouches, and they wouldn't be carrying pistols.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - DAK Crew Update 160706
Post by: stevepalffy on July 06, 2016, 11:26:02 am
Looking good
Obviously a box of DAK tank crew and vehicle riders is now in order ?
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Updated 160717
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 17, 2016, 12:35:24 pm
This is the proposed sprue layout for the BMW R75 with sidecar.  Similar to the
multi-variant Willys MB Jeep, we are putting the crew asides into blister packs.
This layout is NOT final, will put some extra goodies into it!

The driver and crew will be available on blisters of your choices - Blitzkrieg for
early war, DAK for the African campaign, and mid & late war in Kradmantel...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20R75%20Sprue%20Layout%20160715-0_zpsxtc9fr62.jpg)
Comments?
;)
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Updated 160717
Post by: Pinky on July 17, 2016, 02:45:51 pm
My only comment on providing separate crew is that it seems to be a lot of additional blisters for a single (quite small) kit.  Is that really practical?  Is it really necessary to do so many different crew?
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Updated 160717
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 17, 2016, 02:52:45 pm
My only comment on providing separate crew is that it seems to be a lot of additional blisters for a single (quite small) kit.  Is that really practical?  Is it really necessary to do so many different crew?

This is more of a marketing issue; actually is also cheaper to package as well.
We are still working on the details on how this can be carried out, so is sort
of preliminary...
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Updated 160717
Post by: airborne on July 17, 2016, 09:39:31 pm
You`ve tempted me with this entry, so my 2 pence worth is I like the separate crews. For me the Africa source would be my last buy if at all, my gamming being in Europe, and "Sea lion" and not yet reached the "Dark continent".
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Updated 160717
Post by: Pinky on July 17, 2016, 10:03:34 pm
This is more of a marketing issue; actually is also cheaper to package as well.
We are still working on the details on how this can be carried out, so is sort
of preliminary...

Unless you're packaging 2 bike sprues in every box, I think many people may feel that a single bike without crew isn't a very attractive purchase.  I would include the crew (and sell them separately as well).  You don't need 3 crew per bike, for a start - you rarely see more than 2. 
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Updated 160717
Post by: ripley on July 18, 2016, 12:06:15 am
I agree with Pinky . Either a  kit of 2 Bikes and separate crew blisters  or a single bike and a Kradmantel crew  . It might be a good idea to make the blister packs a larger , say 10 man set . Say the 3 bike crew , a 3-4 man tank crew and 2-3 of seated driver type figures for trucks and halftracks  . You could make them DAK or late war specific . Take a look at what Miniart and Masterbox ( 1/35 scale  kits) have done with their figure sets for ideas . Really looking forward to this kit release  :)
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Updated 160717
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 18, 2016, 12:40:05 am
RE: Blister Packs

Since we do not have the intention to produce infantry box sets yet, we will only
focus on blister packs.  Blister packs have standard size because of store wall
mountings - this applies to ALL miniature manufacturers who produce blister
packs.  We can only put so much plastic figures in a pack.  A good commercial
example will be those from Games Workshop nowadays!

At present, we'd just queue up the jeep and the bike for mould making. Right
now is peak season for us - OEM projects for Christmas releases.  Doubt we
can get any of these done right away!  Plus the figures are still in QC for final
approval.

Don't want to disappoint anybody...  :(
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Updated 160812
Post by: Rubicon Models on August 12, 2016, 06:26:40 pm
Almost a month without update on this project...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/FB%20Bike%20Rider%20160812-1_zpsbuon2hol.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Updated 160812
Post by: Pinky on August 12, 2016, 07:57:57 pm
I think these might be your best figures yet, at least in terms of how they look as actual models.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Updated 160812
Post by: Rubicon Models on August 12, 2016, 08:06:22 pm
I think these might be your best figures yet, at least in terms of how they look as actual models.

This is because these are NOT intended for plastic production... ;)
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Updated 160812
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on August 12, 2016, 08:55:20 pm
Almost a month without update on this project...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/FB%20Bike%20Rider%20160812-1_zpsbuon2hol.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Excellent.

Will you do the traffic directing figure in plastic?
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Updated 160812
Post by: Rubicon Models on August 12, 2016, 09:03:21 pm
Will you do the traffic directing figure in plastic?

Probably not, the details on this particular figure is too complex to be modified
for plastic production.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Updated 160812
Post by: ripley on August 12, 2016, 09:55:19 pm
German Military traffic cops !  Didn't they call them Chain Dogs  because of the metal badge hanging around their necks ?
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Updated 160812
Post by: Rubicon Models on August 12, 2016, 10:05:34 pm
German Military traffic cops !  Didn't they call them Chain Dogs  because of the metal badge hanging around their necks ?

Indeed, they were called "Kettenhunde"...
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Updated 160812
Post by: ripley on August 13, 2016, 09:19:03 am
I like them . I could really use some actually , to keep my convoy  of German tanks moving  ;D
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Updated 160822
Post by: Rubicon Models on August 22, 2016, 10:53:03 am
More work done on the motorcycle... now with stowage!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20Goodies%20160822-1_zpsbvb8iogp.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20Goodies%20160822-2_zpsuo6ezrpa.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Updated 160822
Post by: Pinky on August 22, 2016, 01:01:12 pm
Including stowage, and options like canvas covers, is a great idea.  The heavy rope holding the stowage in place look a bit overdone - more like something you'd see in an earlier period.  Flat straps would be more appropriate.  It's a small point though - this is promising to be quite a special kit.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Updated 160822
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on August 22, 2016, 02:36:21 pm
Wow! That looks great.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Updated 160822
Post by: Yaquir on August 22, 2016, 03:20:19 pm
Looks really fine!
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Updated 160822
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on August 22, 2016, 08:43:12 pm
One thing (besides Pinky's comment about rope versus straps), the spare wheel package with the stop/go baton looks like the ropes are tucked between the rubber tyre and the metal wheel rim rather than over the rim and between the spokes. As it is most likely that it would be fixed with the spoke side against a surface like the lower picture (resting on the board) I doubt it would be a problem in use.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - TS1 Plastic 161024
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 24, 2016, 12:06:32 pm
TS1 plastic finally arrived at the studio...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20TS1%20Plastic%20161021-01_zpsouydexgv.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20TS1%20Plastic%20161021-02_zpsctp89psu.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20TS1%20Plastic%20161021-03_zpsrilkpu3h.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20TS1%20Plastic%20161021-04_zpsqyywxd1z.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20TS1%20Plastic%20161021-05_zpscunpitsc.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20TS1%20Plastic%20161021-06_zpsujxinbbi.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - TS1 Plastic 161024
Post by: Pinky on October 24, 2016, 03:17:42 pm
Plusses - the tyre tread is very nicely done, as are the canvas weather covers.  I like the optional metal / leather panniers too. 

Minuses - I know it's already been debated to death, but the solid spokes look like they belong on a smaller model.  The engine detail seems a bit 'soft' too.  Are the horizontal cylinders separate parts?

I suspect most of us are waiting to see how the crew turns out.  That's what will really sell this kit.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - TS1 Plastic 161024
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on October 24, 2016, 03:35:30 pm
Are the horizontal cylinders separate parts?
I think they are on the bottom left of the sprue after what I guess is the drum magazine.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - TS1 Plastic 161024
Post by: ripley on October 24, 2016, 08:11:02 pm
Yes cylinders in bottom left with ammo saddle drum and handle bars . And I see the late 50 round drum in the upper left corner . Nice to see separate bi pods included .   As pinky says , how the crew looks will really sell this kit
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - TS1 Plastic assembled 161107
Post by: Rubicon Models on November 07, 2016, 03:55:55 pm
This is our BMW R75 TS1 plastic assembled for testing.
Still quite a few details that needed to be addressed...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20R75%20TS1%20161107-01_zpss9okhjkc.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20R75%20TS1%20161107-02_zpswjorcvpl.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20R75%20TS1%20161107-03_zpsshardr9v.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20R75%20TS1%20161107-04_zpsbcfzht0q.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20R75%20TS1%20161107-05_zpsq8hz67ya.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20R75%20TS1%20161107-06_zps3k1tfeeq.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20R75%20TS1%20161107-07_zpse7yjzkuc.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - TS1 Plastic assembled 161107
Post by: Rubicon Models on November 07, 2016, 04:27:37 pm
Just a recap on what crew options we have...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20R75%20TS1%20161107-08_zpsis4uwciz.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20R75%20TS1%20161107-09_zpsef7hxc6t.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/BMW%20R75%20TS1%20161107-10_zpstgmo0dgj.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - TS1 Plastic assembled 161107
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on November 07, 2016, 04:30:27 pm
Excellent.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - TS1 Plastic assembled 161107
Post by: Yaquir on November 07, 2016, 04:49:38 pm
Very good. Waiting for it.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - TS1 Plastic assembled 161107
Post by: Pinky on November 08, 2016, 01:22:49 am
The motorbike itself looks fine.  Still a bit like some older small scale versions, but very nice.  It'd be good to see how the actual figures are looking, and whether the details on them is as sharp as it is on the bike.  I think that's what many people are waiting to see, after seeing so many very inspiring digital prototypes.
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Bike crew update 170215
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 16, 2017, 12:50:42 am
Had almost no update since early Nov last year. Additional work had been done to improve the pose of these two figures!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/FB%20Bike%20Rider%20170215-1_zpsch2h5yxa.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/FB%20Bike%20Rider%20170215-2_zps3pasuveh.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Motorcycle/FB%20Bike%20Rider%20170215-3_zpswydtsuyd.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Bike crew update 170215
Post by: ripley on February 16, 2017, 09:07:36 am
The new figures look very good except for the gloved hands . They look way too big , almost 3 times the size of the bare hands .  I don't feel its a deal breaker on the kit though , if I don't like the gloved hands I will replace them with spares from the parts box . I don't think I've ever built a set of figures where some part of one figures anatomy hasn't bothered me and been subject to  attack with a sharp blade , a file and green stuff  ;D
Title: Re: BMW R75 with Sidecar - Bike crew update 170215
Post by: Yaquir on February 16, 2017, 03:37:44 pm
Looks excellent, and i agree - the gloves hands seems to be really to huge.