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Title: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 24, 2017, 12:37:44 am
Please feel free to post your request(s) for the NEXT Allied Stowage Set under this post.
If possible, please attach any useful pictures or drawings for clarity.  Will update the list as required...


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Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on October 24, 2017, 12:51:57 am
Individual Sherman track pieces to be combined on the turret.

Three link spare track rack for the Sherman glacis

Tools, specifically those for Shermans including the big tension wrench thing.

Water bottles, individual and in groups.

Small arms ammo boxes (cardboard and metal).

British tanker helmets (possibly with heads as well)

Fire extinguishers

Tank and artillery rounds including the tubes.

Smoke mortar (external fitting)

Smoke dischargers (pair).

Spare track unit for M5 for rear of hull

Churchill track links (and the late model Churchill to go with it) again for use as add on armour

Replacement M5 grousers to replace moulded detail (also usable on the M5 derived tractor)

pressed metal ammo boxes (e.g. 6-pdr, 25-pdr), frequently welded to British tanks for extra stowage

British pattern packs, individual and in groups

infantry telephone

pots & pans, cooking utensils

Lifted from previous thread (including Pinky's items

http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=545.0 (http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=545.0)

Pinky's image of ammunition boxes:
(https://s28.postimg.org/bnz1ybrqx/ammo_boxes.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/bnz1ybrqx/)
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on October 24, 2017, 01:00:54 am
Tin mugs, British forces run on tea.
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ripley on October 24, 2017, 08:48:52 am
(https://s1.postimg.org/57exu1zi3f/7e2818375ad4ae859cbf3f3115911483_LI.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/57exu1zi3f/) 1 - 25 pounder charge box ( this size box also used for 2 inch mortar among other things ) 2 - Tools ( idler wrench , M4 engine crank , shovel , pick etc. 3 -fire extingisher 4- 17 pounder ammo box

(https://s1.postimg.org/6ol2vt49zf/f8bad3d8cfb4cc434394cb95daa436c2_LI.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/6ol2vt49zf/)
5 - smoke mortar - on early lend lease tanks , later tanks had it built in , loaders side of turret roof
(https://s1.postimg.org/5solgcx64r/Firefly_a_LI.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5solgcx64r/)
6 - Pzr III / IV track , 7 - Sherman track
(https://s1.postimg.org/8cufszyf1n/Firefly_Vc_2_LI.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/8cufszyf1n/)
8-  three link spare track racks , mounted on most Commonwealth Sherman type tanks
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: Pinky on October 24, 2017, 01:16:28 pm
Soviet stowage - I will find the thread.  Although all of these suggestions for a British set are very good.  I'd add that more bedrolls would be welcome.
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: Pinky on October 24, 2017, 01:28:07 pm
New Allied (Soviet) stowage set:

1. 76mm and 85mm ammo boxes (and shells)
2. Unditching logs (for different sized tanks)
3. Replacement spare fuel tanks (for upgrading the earlier T-34 kits)
4. Soft stowage (Soviet tanks often carried fairly untidy looking bags of gear hanging from the turret or hull)
5. Suitcases
6. Tools (especially the big bandsaw often carried)
7. Spare transmission (carried by early T-34s)
8. Bucket, pots, looted jerrycans
9. Spare tracks for various tank types
10. DShK machine gun
11. Separate grab handles to replace moulded-on version
12. Spare wheels (including one for the new truck)
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on October 24, 2017, 03:28:46 pm
The grab handles are an interesting thought.

On a similar line, hull and turret lifting rings for your tanks (M4s especially).

For the Soviets, the Bed Frame armour used as protection against HEAT weapons like Panzerschreck and panzerfaust..

Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on October 24, 2017, 03:40:16 pm
Pinky's suggestion of a Dshk made me think of other weapons that would be of use.

For Bolt Action the basic SAS Jeep has both an HMG and an LMG facing forward and a twin LMG facing back with options to replace any/all the LMGs with MMGs. The Rubicon kit can only build a model with the rear twin mount as MMG. A pair of BREN guns would  (one per sprue) would solve that problem.

Of course a Vickers water cooled MMG would be useful for the gun trucks but would require design work.

Disassembled M2 for the bustle of a Sherman.

M2 with the short fully shrouded barrel (see Ripley's photographs of the LRDG jeeps).
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ripley on October 24, 2017, 09:01:06 pm
Aside from stuff they seem to have found / looted ,, the Russians didn't really have to much " cool " stuff in the way of stowage . Hand tools like shovel , pick and crosscut saw . Lots of 76 / 85 mm ammo boxes ,at least in the late war as they where rushing towards Berlin . Logs of various diameters , tarps   and distinctive ends on the T-34  tow cables ( Stalin  / KV  were of different size / shape ). Only tanks that I've seen pictures of with spare road wheels . early T-26 models  and the  T-28 . I've looked for years for a picture of a T-34 with spare wheels , nothing . Spare drive wheel seen on early 1940 model , usually also caring a spare transmission , but no road wheel . Pictures of tanks missing wheels and even some T-34s with Panther road wheels  :o . A set of the T shaped tow hooks for  the front and rear of the T-34  would be nice , a real PIA to try and make yourself . A set of single  T-34 track pieces , both the toothed and flat plate version would be handy ., as well maybe a 2 or 3 link piece with the grab handle molded on to add the the turret sides might be handy . I must admit , I've pretty much kit bashed /cast / made all this stuff myself already .
(https://s1.postimg.org/639rjk3la3/T-34_UZTM_3.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/639rjk3la3/)

(https://s1.postimg.org/9n8gniut6j/Wheels_-_Panther_3.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/9n8gniut6j/)

(https://s1.postimg.org/19xo1lbgx7/Wheels_-_Panther_1.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/19xo1lbgx7/)
Really going out on a limb here , but how about as  a one sprue  add on kit . The top one is WW2 , the bottom is a post war version of the roller
(https://s1.postimg.org/7yeop9vkrf/T34_85_PT3_Mineroller.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/7yeop9vkrf/)
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on October 25, 2017, 12:26:57 am
Do you mean these?
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QsJtLCLPgC4/VkM8ex3N67I/AAAAAAAABJI/7WR1pl3BA_8/s1600/IMG_8852.JPG)
IWM Duxford - I cannot remember its provenance, Polish I think.
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ripley on October 25, 2017, 01:52:46 am
Yes , those T hooks . A real pain to try and make your own in this scale if you want to add tow cables properly hooked up . Looks to be a post war model T-34 as it has a splash board , seen on 1950s Russian tanks . Of course could be a WW2 model that was upgraded . There are still more than a few kicking around in combat in 3rd world counties almost 70 years after WW2
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on October 25, 2017, 02:23:17 am
This says it was a post war Polish build.
http://preservedtanks.com/Profile.aspx?UniqueID=1076 (http://preservedtanks.com/Profile.aspx?UniqueID=1076)
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ripley on October 25, 2017, 03:23:59 am
Yes the light guard gives it away ;D
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ripley on October 25, 2017, 10:45:45 am
A  pictures of 1940 T-34 with a transmission on the engine deck ( seems early trannys very unreliable )
(https://s1.postimg.org/3o8l2sjrq3/IMG_20171024_192625.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/3o8l2sjrq3/)
A T-34/76 with ammo boxes , spare drive wheel and track links jammed in the turret grab rail
(https://s1.postimg.org/9sd4jez65n/IMG_20171024_175259940.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/9sd4jez65n/)
A T-34/85 piled high with ammo boxes
(https://s1.postimg.org/6gjxhdy6y3/IMG_20171024_175220798_HDR.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/6gjxhdy6y3/)
A different pattern armored exhaust cover ( Factory # 183 ) fall1942
(https://s1.postimg.org/4t03cjfcp7/T34-85_Heckansicht.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/4t03cjfcp7/)
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on October 25, 2017, 04:00:07 pm
Is that an air ID panel between the exhausts on the ammo hoarder?
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: Pinky on October 25, 2017, 04:47:28 pm
Is that an air ID panel between the exhausts on the ammo hoarder?

Apparently it is - by this time there was a risk of attack by British and American aircraft, hence the US-style panel.
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ripley on October 25, 2017, 08:44:31 pm
Yes air ID panel . Under the panel is a semi standard stowage box which quite a few T-34/85s ended up getting . You can sometimes see the 4  mounting brackets around the transmission access hatch . Will try to find picture
(https://s1.postimg.org/1f0axk7ajv/T-34-85_tank_at_the_Mi_dzyrzecz_Fortification_Region_LI.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/1f0axk7ajv/)
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on October 25, 2017, 08:52:44 pm
Is this what you mean.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sdYRNdp5xRU/VjoFw3gZb-I/AAAAAAAABDw/LUlEDEEseG0/s1600/IMG_5178.JPG)
At the Tank Museum, Korean war.
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ripley on October 25, 2017, 08:56:34 pm
Thats them , you beat me to it  :)
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: Jimmy_P on November 15, 2017, 07:29:32 am

What about having some tank crew in the stowage set....? Not quite as many as the PSC stowage set perhaps, but would be a way to get some crew for kits that don't have any (and take advantage of your improvements in figures too). Particularly something like EW Russian crew for your T34 kit, etc?
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on November 15, 2017, 04:02:19 pm
Personally I would prefer crew and stowage to be separate (the PSC set is the reason writ large).

Crew sets make more sense as individual blisters otherwise you would end up with a lot of unused figures.
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on December 26, 2017, 12:08:04 am
Having assembled the M4A3E8,  I am now trying to decide about stowage.

One thing I am short on is spare HVSS wheels.

For the VVSS Shermans individual track links for the turret.

Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: somtec on December 26, 2017, 02:51:42 am
Having gone through the other replies i would like to suggest the following., some have already been mentioned. Mostly US stuff
 Spare hvss road wheels
Individual 30 and 50 cal ammo cans as opposed to a bunch, some could be have open lids with ammo exposed
Few lengths of above ammo.
Spare tools such as sledge hammer,axe,shovels etc
US pioneers tool rack both empty and full of tools.
Some tank ammo 75,76,105 loose rounds maybe an open box with rounds.
Wood tank round boxes.
Ration boxes
Radio sets
As mentioned air cooled 50 cal.
And any equivalent British stuff such as radio set , open ammo boxes with round lewis ammo mags, 17 pdr ammo etc
(https://s14.postimg.org/smssnl1j1/pioneer_rack.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/smssnl1j1/)

(https://s14.postimg.org/xlgb26ahp/pioneer_rack1.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/xlgb26ahp/)
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on March 26, 2019, 05:18:01 am
A bit of threadomancy.

As anyone who has looked on my thread, I have been working on a pair of M4s recently (aided by research by Ripley and others).

A number of bits are coming up that would be useful.

British fire extinguishers, I am "borrowing" some off my Sherman V kits.

Three link track racks.

Smoke dischargers (I have not managed to make a nice one yet).

Those ammo boxes.

The Sherman V style box (found on the back plate on Sherman Vs), that are sometimes found on the glacis of Sherman Is and hybrids. It needs to be scaled to fit between the mudguards.
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ripley on March 26, 2019, 11:52:44 am
I have to agree with UVS , we do need those pieces in a Brit themed stowage set . Until then , it should be easy enough to make our own 3 link track rack using the Sherman track from the Allied stowage Set and some plastic strip and rod . Just a matter of trail and error  I did  a pair  for a buddy's 1/72 Sherman , well I think I ended up making half a dozen till I got 2 that looked right . Some of your Sherman's might not need the external smoke dischargers smurf , here's a picture of your M4 from a few posts ago , the hole circled is the internal SD mount ., so it wouldn't have an external one
(https://i.postimg.cc/Zvq4KVHz/rb-m4-25-LI.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Zvq4KVHz)
Hopefully Rubicon make a variety of single piece stowage . While the large pieces of stuff like the resin bits for the LVTs look cool , they look all the same on the engine deck of your tank . Single pieces let you mix and match to give each of your tanks a unique look  . IMO , less is more when it comes to stowage
(https://i.postimg.cc/Lq0VbsWk/20152707204847.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Lq0VbsWk)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zbsFqc8V/Sherman-tank-of-24th-Lancers.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zbsFqc8V)
And while a tank covered in track like this one looks neat , the other 3 in the platoon would not have the exact same stowage in the exact same place
(https://i.postimg.cc/14DppMyr/8ce8027700bb3e3e321997b41c415e19-british-tanks-british-army.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/14DppMyr)
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on March 26, 2019, 03:50:25 pm
I have made the spare track rack for my first Sherman V:
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1p3fhbiwWgg/WGytyDUsSTI/AAAAAAAABt4/WmMYOBQtYMMuBeFsLg9LhOHIVAcPIlDYwCLcB/s1600/m4a4-detail1.png)
It is a bit of a faff because the donor is a six link run. I did not put the rack on the first Sherman I (number 21) because I had put stowage in the way of the "standard" location (plan then glue, repeat mantra...).

The built in smoke discharger was a later addition, though they were added to earlier turrets in the field. The external smoke discharger pair is noticeable on a number of Normandy photographs (more noticeable than cheek armour). The cast in armour, no pistol port and internal smoke discharger all appear to have been issued together (Minutia on turrets).

That is the Hybrid with the box photograph. I did offer up a spare Sherman V box but it does not fit.

Good point on the variance of stowage.

There is a nice photograph of 2nd Armoured Regiment (Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians), 5th Canadian Armoured Division), taking part in an inspection and marchpast, Eelde, Netherlands, 23 May 1945. Lots of spare track.
http://silverhawkauthor.com/royal-canadian-armoured-corps-34ironside34_316.html (http://silverhawkauthor.com/royal-canadian-armoured-corps-34ironside34_316.html)
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ripley on March 26, 2019, 08:35:47 pm
Those track holders don't look too bad .  If they bother you a bit because you don't think they're perfect ,you could cover them with a tarp ( tissue , white glue / water ) , you would still get the outline of the tracks without them standing out (  tarps hide a multitude of sins on my builds ) . Here's a couple of pictures of the same tank ( found on 2 different sites , months apart ) .
(https://i.postimg.cc/pp91q0tm/Sherman-Stowage-Reference-1a.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pp91q0tm)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PCYVkPJh/Sherman-Stowage-Reference-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PCYVkPJh)
 And while the extra track stowage looks awesome , I wouldn't want it released as a one piece add on . If I added it to all 4 Shermans in my squad , they would all look the same . And we know most crews had they're own ideas and methods of adding extra armor .
(https://i.postimg.cc/s11z7dwS/main-qimg-d390321d892ee2b1dff806c577b053d9-c.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/s11z7dwS)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zyF640x8/Sherman-Stowage-Reference-11.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zyF640x8)
Some of the 1/35 resin companies have sets with large pieces of detail bits  , thankfully you have a dozen or so companies making sets to choose from so your  tanks all look different , we are not so lucky in 28mm so single pieces of add on bits would work better IMO
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on March 27, 2019, 01:09:57 am
Yeah, for that sort of thing, having individual links helps you can get it to lie flat.

Interesting to see how the amount of track varies over time.

The track rack came out okay (YMMV), I buried the dodgy bit under the stowage as you can see.

I will add some more of them to the next M4 I build.
Title: Re: SUGGESTIONS - The Next Allied Stowage Set
Post by: ripley on March 27, 2019, 02:32:42 am
If you get a BA plastic Churchill and leave the track guards on you can use the upper track runs on your Shermans  ( about 8 inches worth ) . I used my spare bits to add track on the CHill nose and 3 link sets on the hull rear sides . I didn't get as much spare as I removed the center track guard exposing some upper track . , The BA metal Allied stowage track bits are IMO the rubber with the V grove type , while the Rubicon stowage set track can be used as another styler rubber V grove , and they also match an all steel type as well  Company B makes as set as well but in longer 8-9 link lengths IRC , so lots of variety available , just not in one spot  ::)  Just a thought , could you use a miter box and cut out the offending amount of plastic so your stowage box fits the front hull ? You might have to sand down and replace the lid but it looks do able