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Rubicon Models => Work In Progress => Topic started by: Rubicon Models on October 01, 2019, 01:30:12 pm

Title: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Assembled 201023
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 01, 2019, 01:30:12 pm
New project for the month of October (10)... A German half-track with a "10"!

We hear you, this is a requested project that is high on our Wish List... so we'd spend the time to make it happen!


BACKGROUND HISTORY

The SdKfz 10 (Sonderkraftfahrzeug - special motorized vehicle) was a German half-track that saw widespread use in WW2.  Its main role was as a prime mover for small towed guns, such as the 2cm FlaK 30, the 7.5 cm leIG, or the 3.7cm PaK 36 anti-tank gun.  It could carry eight troops in addition to towing a gun or trailer.

The chassis formed the basis for the SdKfz 250 light armoured personnel carrier.  Approximately 14,000 were produced between 1938 and 1945, making it one of the most widely produced German tactical vehicles of the war.  It participated in the Invasion of Poland, the Battle of France, the Balkans Campaign and fought on both the Western Front and the Eastern Front, in North Africa and in Italy.


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Enjoy!
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Title: Re: New Project of the Month - October 2019 - SdKfz 10 191001
Post by: Old Guard on October 01, 2019, 05:35:21 pm
Shiny! Chrome!

Excellent- long overdue this vehicle being available in plastic. I look forward to multiple ownership ( hope we get the alternative seating arrangement -early model- too,  a nice 2cm AA gun to complement it.....)

as ever  ( yes,  quality control etc etc.... production queue etc etc....) ....But HURRY UP!  ;)
Title: Re: New Project of the Month - October 2019 - SdKfz 10 191001
Post by: Tracks on October 01, 2019, 06:20:45 pm
Yes!

Quote
as ever  ( yes,  quality control etc etc.... production queue etc etc....) ....But HURRY UP!  ;)

If done carefully, quick can work.
Title: Re: New Project of the Month - October 2019 - SdKfz 10 191001
Post by: H0ffmn on October 01, 2019, 10:05:48 pm
That's great news. Another awesome choice
Title: Re: New Project of the Month - October 2019 - SdKfz 10 191001
Post by: Jimmy_P on October 01, 2019, 11:23:38 pm

Yay! At long last! Looking forward to this one very much, and future expansion kits for 10/4 etc  8)
Title: Re: New Project of the Month - October 2019 - SdKfz 10 191001
Post by: Jaeger on October 02, 2019, 06:27:36 am
This is such a versatile vehicle!   
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10/4 3D Drawings 191018
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 18, 2019, 12:21:07 pm
With the announcement of the 2cm FlaK 30 Light AA Gun (http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=913.0) last week, we are now able to create the SdKfz 10/4 variant with a new rear flatbed for the SdKfz 10 half-track.

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Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10/4 3D Drawings 191018
Post by: elias.tibbs on October 18, 2019, 02:36:05 pm
Is the 10/4 going to be it’s own kit?
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10/4 3D Drawings 191018
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 18, 2019, 03:18:34 pm
Is the 10/4 going to be it’s own kit?
Not sure yet until we have the sprue layout results back from our mould-maker.  Right now is still in 3D Drawings, not even prototyping.
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10/4 3D Drawings 191018
Post by: Tracks on October 18, 2019, 05:02:20 pm
How about the idea of offering a combo kit to include all the parts needed to make one of several types of SdKfz 10 vechicles. You (Rubicon Models) have already started with the rear trunk being designed to be replaceable to accept a new trunk for expansions and for kit bashing.

An all in one kit sort of speak.

Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10/4 3D Drawings 191018
Post by: Jaeger on October 19, 2019, 01:53:29 am
Precisely why I've wanted this half-track for so long.  The variants which would be usable in table top games.  Anti-tanks, anti-aircraft, troop transport, towing guns.  Definitely on my short list of kits to buy.
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10/4 3D Drawings 191018
Post by: Tracks on October 19, 2019, 02:22:19 pm
On the marketing side of things, an SdKfz 10 combo kit makes a lot of sense when you think about it. Instead of multiple box art,  types of boxes,  different instructions sheets, and other things required for making and marketing multiple packages, you can offer it all in one package - easier for you (Rubicon Models) and easier for your customers.
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10/4 3D Drawings 191018
Post by: EarlyWarGamer on October 20, 2019, 12:04:38 am
I am working my way through my previous research in this vehicle, so I can present a clear listing of what all would be required for a "full" kit, and I am sure it will all come down to sprue layout, but I suspect an all-in-one kit will not be possible. If by all-in people are hoping to get the guns in the back as well.

Don't see how they can include the vehicle itself, with all the needed bells and whistles, PLUS the three platforms it would take (one for the Flak 20, one for the Flak 38 and yet another one for mounting AT guns on a pedestal mount), plus the trailers (there were two main different ones).  And then on top of that include the guns themselves.

If you mean "no-guns but everything else" then maybe we can get that.
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10/4 3D Drawings 191018
Post by: ripley on October 20, 2019, 08:04:07 am
So many choices / versions with this vehicle . Hopefully our wanting everything plus the kitchen sink won't tick Rubicon off , lol .  Oh by the way , will we be getting both versions of the fender mounted crew rifle racks ? 
(https://i.postimg.cc/2qJGwzqC/Wehrmacht-Sd-Kfz-10-LI.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2qJGwzqC)

(https://i.postimg.cc/cvLcGKws/sd-kfz-10-4-20mm-FLAK38-01-LI.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cvLcGKws)
 sorry , just couldn't help it ….lol
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10/4 3D Drawings 191018
Post by: 303in204 on October 20, 2019, 08:04:35 am
I see nothing wrong with "kitbashing" in the same old way; buy the halftrack, buy the gun you want to stick on it (magnetize and you've got access to both).  Conversion specific parts seem like the perfect candidates for resin.

Asking for an all-in-one kit when we've seen the existing 3 in 1 251/1 kit struggle seems silly, and yes I know we're talking about different types of expansions/vehicles.
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 3D Prototype 191122
Post by: Rubicon Models on November 22, 2019, 10:03:22 pm
Things are starting to get back to normal at the studio... after the King Tiger frenzies!

SdKfz 10 prototype waiting for final approval.  More pictures will follow!


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Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 3D Prototype 191122
Post by: ripley on November 22, 2019, 10:30:28 pm
Looking good . Will the side panels on the rear crew compartment be separate pieces ?
(https://i.postimg.cc/grwYwk7C/tdn87084-LI.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/grwYwk7C)
With the quality of work Rubicon is known for , I would assume they are , but you know what happens when you  assume something ……
So better to ask , right ?
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 3D Prototype 191122
Post by: Rubicon Models on November 22, 2019, 11:33:19 pm
Looking good . Will the side panels on the rear crew compartment be separate pieces ?
With the quality of work Rubicon is known for, I would assume they are, but you know what happens when you assume something ……
So better to ask, right?
Glad you asked... the answer is "NO".  For modellers, it will be easy to remove that section by a sharp knife.  ;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 3D Prototype 191122
Post by: ripley on November 22, 2019, 11:40:21 pm
Thanks for the reply .
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 3D Prototype 191122
Post by: Tracks on November 22, 2019, 11:55:32 pm
Looking good! 

8)

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Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 3D Prototype 191122
Post by: Pinky on November 23, 2019, 08:45:43 am
This looks terrific.  I'm really happy to see this vehicle making an appearance.
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 3D Prototype 191122
Post by: EarlyWarGamer on November 23, 2019, 11:41:55 am
What I Hope We Get For a Rubicon Sd.Kfz. 10 Model

As this is my favorite German half track (and I realize I am likely alone in this regard), I am hoping Rubicon really do it up right. And by that I mean, provide as many options as possible, so that as many different makes and models as possible can be built.

To that end, I shall ramble on a bit about this vehicle, and interject from time to time with model options.  I hope this all makes sense.

Sd.Kfz 10 Ausf A : Deliveries began in October 1938. Base vehicle had a standard chassis and standard outer road wheels (see drawing below). The windshield could fold forward, had a canvas cover (to prevent glare), and could even be removed.  A convertible canvas top was mounted on the upper part of the rear body. It fastened to the windshield when erected. Four canvas side pieces could be attached to protect the crew from the weather.  About 3,300 were manufactured to this initial design.  Vehicles built to this standard served from the very first campaign of the war, to the very last.

(https://i.postimg.cc/N2hdWcHL/A-Sd-Kfz-10-Ausf-A-1939.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N2hdWcHL)

Model Notes: So I hope Rubicon provides us with the parts to make this initial vehicle. As stated, over 3,300 were built to these specifications, including those that saw service during the earliest parts of the war.  Needed: Standard Hull. Standard Wheels. Canvas Tilt (three possible options: up fully enclosed, up with no side panels, and down).

Major Update #1:  The first pattern of road wheels had five wide-mouth cut-outs and narrow spokes.  To increase the towing weight capacity, a second pattern of road wheels were introduced which had five narrow-mouth cutouts with wider, reinforced spokes.  Starting in early 1940, and phased in at different times during the next 20 months by different manufacturers, these reinforced road wheels replaced standard road wheels in production.  By the start of 1942 all new production used reinforced road wheels.

(https://i.postimg.cc/dLj5Sgtt/B-Sd-Kfz-10-Early-and-Late-Road-Wheels.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dLj5Sgtt)

Model Notes: So we need a second set of road wheels. Early Pattern were used exclusively from 1938 until 1940. And then they started phasing out during 1940 and 1941. They were no longer part of new construction starting 1942.  In terms of what Rubicon has shown us so far, they have shown us the reinforced road wheels. If we don't get the Early Pattern road wheels, then we cannot build any of those 3,300+ early machines. And that would be sad. To create an early war machine, and then only supply the parts to make a later model.

Major Update #2: Sd.Kfz. 10 Ausf B : Starting in April 1940 (at one manufacturer), and phased in gradually over the next 20 months by the other six manufacturers, the base model received a reinforced rear hull.  This was designed to increase towing weight capacity.  By the start of 1942 all new production used reinforced rear hulls.

(https://i.postimg.cc/18RvxMf0/C-Sd-Kfz-10-Ausf-B-1942.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/18RvxMf0)

Model Notes:  The hull that is shown by Rubicon is the Ausf B hull. The main differences between the original hull and the reinforced hull are (a) the under-carriage is reinforced (which is not visible unless you overturn the model), and (b) the rear facing panel. It is my hope that Rubicon design both rear panels, so that a model maker can use the Ausf A (unreinforced hull) tail, or the Ausf B (reinforced) tail.  The hull that Rubicon has shown us is the reinforced Ausf B hull.

(https://i.postimg.cc/JsTPRJkf/D-Sd-Kfz-10-Ausf-A-vrs-Ausf-B-Hull.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JsTPRJkf)

Extra Bits :  Compressed Air Tank for Air Brakes:  Starting in late 1942 (September) and continuing on until the end of the war, a special version of the standard engine was produced which would compress air into a cylinder that was used to feed air brakes. The addition of air brakes allowed the Sd.Kfz. 10 to tow heavier weapons:  7.5cm PaK 40 AT gun (1.5 ton), 15cm sIG 33 infantry gun (2 ton), and the 10.5cm leFH 18 howitzer (3.5 ton).    Thousands of these special engines were built between late 1942 and the end of vehicle production in late 1944.  By my calculation, over half of all Ausf B models had the compressed air tank fitted.

Model Notes:  I am hoping Rubicon give us the air cylinder and extra bits to mount on the rear plate.  If you want to see a compressed air tank, check out the image above of the Ausf B model. A large cylinder (almost the width of the vehicle) is shown at the rear.

I am specifically targeting the base 10 model, but the above applies to the 10/4 and 10/5 as well.  Those built up until 1940 used early pattern road wheels and standard hull, those built starting 1942 were built using late pattern road wheels and reinforced hull.  And then we have a two-year period of 1940-1941 where the road wheels changed from early to late pattern, and the hull changed from standard to reinforced. This phased in at different times during this two years. There were seven manufacturers and they all phased in at different times.

Final Note:  I love seeing the canvas tilt provided (both up and down versions). If Rubicon don't wish to provide separate rear plates to support standard versus reinforced hulls, I understand. But I REALLY hope they provide both sets of road wheels. I would like to have a proper model for Poland 1939 and France 1940. 

From what I have gathered, total production was 13,988 across all types. My best analysis of the production figures know, and best guess at the production figures that didn't survive the war, leads me to the following:
SdKfz 10 Ausf A = 3,300                (from 1938 - 1941)
SdKfz 10 Ausf B = 3,637                (from 1940 - 1944)
SdKfz 10/1, 10/2 and 10/3 = 537  (from 1939 - 1941)
SdKfz 10/4 = 3,234                        (from 1939 - 1942)    Some of these were on Ausf A hulls, and some of these were on Ausf B hulls
SdKfz 10/5 = 3,280                        (from 1942 - 1944)    All of these were on Ausf B hulls
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 3D Prototype 191122
Post by: tyroflyer on November 23, 2019, 04:08:27 pm
Excellent Info EWG. An Ausf A please Rubicon.
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 3D Prototype 191122
Post by: Rubicon Models on November 23, 2019, 04:30:21 pm
@EWG, thanks for sharing this info.  We had studied both Ausf A and B before starting the project.  In the end, we opted to go for Ausf B only.

There are many reasons behind the decision, mainly because of sprue space and part counts.  If we are to do both variants, that would mean two different lower frame plus roadwheels and tracks... all relatively large parts that could take up half of a sprue.  One way to "pretend" doing an Ausf A is to do just the roadwheels without touching the lower vehicle frame, which our designer doesn't want to.

We are still working on refining the design and will include your comments for discussion.

;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 3D Prototype 191122
Post by: EarlyWarGamer on November 24, 2019, 05:16:19 am
I assumed that while the most visible difference between an Ausf A and Ausf B was the tailgate panel, you would probably not want to just make two tailgates. The underside (for scale modelers) would need to be correct, and that essentially makes it a whole new kit.

I would URGE you however, to find a way to support a second set of tracks with the early pattern.  They are easily the most recognizable difference between the earliest vehicles, and the later ones.  I can attempt a kitbash of the tail panel on my own if I really want to. But there is no way to model an early pattern road wheel set.

There is countless photo evidence of early pattern wheels on vehicles fighting during the late war period, not just SdKfz 10 vehicles, but the 10/4 and 10/5 as well.

But however it turns out, thanks for taking my post under advisement!
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 3D Prototype 191122
Post by: Tracks on November 24, 2019, 04:54:29 pm
For my gaming group, a lot of us are really looking forward to this SdKfz 10 kit from Rubicon Models. In fact, any good plastic SdKfz 10 (Italeri or Rubicon) kit has been long in waiting.

Quote from: EarlyWarGamer
If Rubicon don't wish to provide separate rear plates to support standard versus reinforced hulls, I understand. But I REALLY hope they provide both sets of road wheels. I would like to have a proper model for Poland 1939 and France 1940. 

From a rivet-counter point a view, you make a very good point, but from a general gamer point of view, it wouldn't matter as much. In fact, if given a choice between an Ausf A or an Ausf B, I know that most gamers would prefer and choose the Ausf B.

Also, if we look at production numbers, more Ausf Bs were produced than Ausf As.

Using an Ausf B for a 1939 Poland game will not cause anarchy. Why you might say? Well, except for a selected few, most miniature wargamers will not even notice or spot the difference. Now, there might be some anal-rivet-counter gaming groups out there that might view this as heresy, but I see this as a failing because most gaming groups I have meet use common sense and make due with what is available.

Quote from: EarlyWarGamer
I would URGE you however, to find a way to support a second set of tracks with the early pattern.
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There is countless photo evidence of early pattern wheels on vehicles fighting during the late war period, not just SdKfz 10 vehicles, but the 10/4 and 10/5 as well.

Maybe the easiest solution for Rubicon Models would be for them to offer a resin add-on parts package for those that really want to have the means to make an Ausf A.
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 3D Prototype 191122
Post by: EarlyWarGamer on November 25, 2019, 12:21:14 am
As a gamer first and foremost, it is certainly fine plopping down a model and saying it is something else.  And an Ausf B acting as an Ausf A is, as you say, a no-brainer. They are very close visually. And almost nobody would know the difference. I don't fault Rubicon for opting for the Ausf B. Sprue space is limited, and you go with the best you can do.

However, that same stance is why most companies crank out late war tanks, because people want to field the biggest, baddest versions of stuff.  And that almost always means that Early War Gamers (such as myself) get left doing substitutions.  Again, I get it. Business decisions must be made, or you don't stay in business.

I am simply hoping that Rubicon can find a way to include the bits needed to increase the number of models/variants.

They are giving us ( for example) two full canvas tilts, one with windows open, and one closed. I would rather get a closed version only, and use the sprue space to provide early pattern wheels.  As Rubicon have stated regarding the side panels that slide down, if people want them "open" they can cut those panels off themselves.  Well, we can cut open the windows if we want them open. Saving that place on the sprues for other options.

Not complaining. Simply trying to point out certain Early War Gamer options.

For example, when it comes to the 10/4 model, they were made with no rifle racks on fenders up until January 1940. From that point onward, they had open rifle racks. Two years later, starting in January 1942, those rifle racks became covered.  I am hoping we get both uncovered and covered versions of those rifle racks. That way we can build a pre-1940 version, a 1940-1941 version, and a 1942+ version.

I LOVE the fact that the 10/4 shown has the loading ramps on the front, and the pulleys behind the driver and co-driver. If those are molded on instead of an add-on part, then I will need to remove them for a Poland 1939 campaign, because those didn't make an appearance until January 1940.  And they were phased out by the end of 1941, so anyone making a 1942+ version might want to consider removing them as well.  So I am hoping those bits are a separate piece that can be added to the model or left off.  Again, not complaining. Just suggesting.

From a marketing point of view, having a kit that can state "Kit can be used to make an Ausf A or Ausf B, with two versions of covered rifle racks, and with or without loading tramps and compressed air tanks" sounds like it can represent closer a wider variety of vehicles.  A kit that says "Build an Sd.Kfz 1940-1941 Ausf B with late pattern road wheels" is way more limited.
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 3D Prototype 191122
Post by: Tracks on November 25, 2019, 10:36:22 am
Quote from: EarlyWarGamer
They are giving us ( for example) two full canvas tilts, one with windows open, and one closed. I would rather get a closed version only, and use the sprue space to provide early pattern wheels.

I second this!

Surprised Rubicon Models didn't already do this.
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 3D Prototype 191122
Post by: ripley on November 25, 2019, 11:10:34 am
Although not a deal breaker for me , I mostly build late war , I too would rather have both sets of wheels and vehicle rear rather than a canvas top . Maybe the top could be released as a resin blister pack ?
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10/4 3D Prototype 191129
Post by: Rubicon Models on November 30, 2019, 07:40:28 pm
Following up on our SdKfz 10 posting from last week, we are presenting the SdKfz 10/4 - a union of two new plastic projects - SdKfz 10 half-track with 2cm FlaK 30 light AA gun!

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%2010/SdKfz%2010-4%20Prototype%20191129-01_zpsf5zqgobg.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%2010/SdKfz%2010-4%20Prototype%20191129-02_zpsimnqxldu.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%2010/SdKfz%2010-4%20Prototype%20191129-03_zpsgktwoaf2.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%2010/SdKfz%2010-4%20Prototype%20191129-04_zpsirlgj2ow.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%2010/SdKfz%2010-4%20Prototype%20191129-05_zpset6l5hnz.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%2010/SdKfz%2010-4%20Prototype%20191129-06_zpsqiswgc3s.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%2010/SdKfz%2010-4%20Prototype%20191129-07_zpsyc8gkcuu.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%2010/SdKfz%2010-4%20Prototype%20191129-08_zpsbpwpnzl5.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%2010/SdKfz%2010-4%20Prototype%20191129-09_zpsehbo9anp.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%2010/SdKfz%2010-4%20Prototype%20191129-10_zpsekn7s0b1.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%2010/SdKfz%2010-4%20Prototype%20191129-11_zpsgppldmqv.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%2010/SdKfz%2010-4%20Prototype%20191129-12_zpsx21dywhb.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10/4 3D Prototype 191129
Post by: Jaeger on December 01, 2019, 11:51:39 pm
Spectacular!
A SdKfz 10/4 towing an SdAh 51 Ammo trailer will be a fantastic build.
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Sprues 200515
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 15, 2020, 02:44:08 pm
The first 3-sprue test shot for the SdKfz 10 finally arrived at our studio...

(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/8d/9f/hHiu6oNd_t.jpg)

(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/d1/83/LAqprvb0_t.jpg)

(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/ca/fd/udFuofvZ_t.jpg)

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(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/10/2f/K5wYF70P_t.jpg)

(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/17/be/pdoeOwdC_t.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Sprues 200515
Post by: EarlyWarGamer on May 15, 2020, 03:56:13 pm
Oh ... my sweet, sweet Sd.Kfz 10 is getting closer to reality!
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Sprues 200515
Post by: ripley on May 15, 2020, 10:30:34 pm
Looks great . But you posted a view of sprue A twice , where's sprue C ?
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Sprues 200515
Post by: Tracks on May 15, 2020, 10:51:07 pm
The details are looking good.
Also looking forward to seeing sprue C.
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Sprues 200515
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 15, 2020, 11:04:24 pm
Wrong image fixed with correct Sprue C... thanks!!
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Sprues 200515
Post by: ripley on May 16, 2020, 07:05:04 am
Looks great . How long before this baby hits the stores ???
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Sprues 200515
Post by: Jaeger on May 16, 2020, 07:27:11 am
Closer to having a Sd.Kfz.10 mit 5 cm Pak 38
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Sprues 200515
Post by: Tracks on October 10, 2020, 12:14:11 pm
Warlord Games is about to release a new 1/56th scale metal and resin SdKfz.10 kit, and it is planned to be available in November.

Considering that the SdKfz.10 participated throughout WW2 from 1939 to 1945 and saw extensive use in the invasion of Poland, invasion of France, Italy, North Africa, Russian front, and basically everywhere the German Army went, I’m surprised it took so long for a 1/56th scale SdKfz.10 to reach the gaming tables.

That being said, I am still waiting (over a year now) for Rubicon Models to release their 1/56th scale SdKfz.10 plastic model kit. Not only would I prefer the SdKfz.10 in a plastic kit, but I’m pretty sure Rubicon Models' SdKfz.10 will be far superior than the Warlord Games metal and resin kit.

Just wished that Rubicon Models didn't wait so long to release their SdKfz.10 giving time for Warlord Games (or anyone else for that matter) to pull this type of stunt.
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Sprues 200515
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 10, 2020, 07:04:51 pm
@Tracks, thanks for the news.  We are aware of this as well.  Unfortunately, our SdKfz 10 sprues are still in mould making being worked on minor fixes and refinement.  The scheduled release date is early next year.

Recent world event has made production extremely inconvenient as we are not able to travel between our studio and factory.  A lot of follow-ups and quality control procedures had to be done through speed courier and the internet... not a very good solution at all.
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Sprues 200515
Post by: EarlyWarGamer on October 11, 2020, 12:02:54 am
@Rubicon ... your Sd.Kfz 10 is SO MUCH BETTER than the Warlord Games version, any gamer who has waited this long to get one can just wait a bit longer. Your kit has many more options when it comes to the build, and many more details too.

Rubicon: Tilt down, tilt up, tilt up with side panels as well - Warlord NO
Rubicon: Replace rear area with platform to support AA gun - Warlord NO
Rubicon: With and without ramp panels on front bumper - Warlord NO

And this is just off the top of my head. I am sure there are other details that make hte Rubicon kit so much better.
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Sprues 200515
Post by: thunderplunk on October 11, 2020, 03:12:30 am
I just want to say that I appreciate Rubicon's kits immensely, and they wouldn't be the same if not for the time and effort that goes into them. There are a lot of kits on the horizon that I'm really excited for, and it sucks that the situation this year has made things difficult, but I trust that Rubicon are working as hard as they can on them.
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Sprues 200515
Post by: Tracks on October 12, 2020, 01:47:31 pm
@Rubicon - After building many Rubicon Models kits, there is no doubt in my mind that your SdKfz.10 plastic model kit will be a wonderful little kit, and one well worth waiting for. However, I will not be surprised that Warlord Games' resin and metal kit will steal a few of the sales because it will be released first. Also, to be completely honest, here in Thailand it is a lot easier to get Warlord Games kits than Rubicon Models kits. That being said, I'm holding out for your SdKfz.10 plastic model kit. I even have an extra Rubicon Models Pak38 kit that I might use to make one of those SdKfz.10 field conversions.
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Sprues 200515
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 12, 2020, 10:22:55 pm
A sneak preview on what we are doing with the SdKfz 10 and her conversion kits...

(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/39/77/2a5juo5O_t.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Sprues 200515
Post by: EarlyWarGamer on October 13, 2020, 04:00:45 am
Fantastic!!!
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Sprues 200515
Post by: Jaeger on October 13, 2020, 06:23:22 am
Another incredible conversion!  Looking forward to this kit.
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Sprues 200515
Post by: Tracks on October 13, 2020, 12:33:36 pm
Quote
A sneak preview on what we are doing with the SdKfz 10 and her conversion kits...

We all knew this was coming because of the parts included on "Sprue C" (see picture), but now that we can actually see the SdKfZ 10/4 model assembled, it looks really good! I've been waiting for a plastic SdKfz 10 kit from Rubicon Models for some time now. I can't wait to get some of these gems. Need extras of course.  :)

As they say,"better late than never."

Quick question:
I know that the SdKfz 10 was a common tow for the Pak36 and Pak38, but how common was it for the Pak40? Yes, I know it was used, and I have seen wartime pictures and footage of them towing Pak40s, but was this common or within doctrine? I only ask because I remember reading a very long time ago that the SdKfz 11 was one of the official tows for the Pak40. Anyway, just curious what others have to say.

(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/17/be/pdoeOwdC_t.jpg)
(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/39/77/2a5juo5O_t.jpg)
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Sprues 200515
Post by: EarlyWarGamer on October 13, 2020, 03:54:44 pm
@Tracks ... you should be totally fine if you want to tow a Pak 40 with an Sd.Kfz 10.  There were plenty of instances where an AT Unit was issued their new Pak 40 guns, replacing their old Pak 38 ... but they didn't receive any new vehicles with which to tow them.  So those units continued to use what they had ... their old reliable Sd.Kfz 10s.

Late 1941 the Pak 40 was trickling out to various AT units. Throughout 1942 thousands more were issued. By 1943 they were the standard anti-tank weapon in the Wehrmacht.  So it is quite likely the Sd.Kfz 10 would still be towing the Pak 38 and then later the Pak 40 throughout this year of transition / mass deployment,  And beyond.

Also a thing to note: the Sd.Kfx 10 was originally developed and tagged as the 1t towing vehicle. But it was later decided this vehicle was far to useful to be so limited. So they underhull was strengthened, as was the towing panel.  It could easily tow a 1.5t gun.  There is photo evidence that it towed things much, much heavier than 1.5t as well.  Photos where you spot a long cylinder across the rear panel is the compressed air tank used for air-brakes. This helped the "little" Sd.Kfz 10 tow things weighing as much as 2-3t.

Anyway, the hull shown by Rubicon is this reinforced hull.
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Assembled 201020
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 20, 2020, 02:10:38 pm
Going back to basics, this is "Part 1" from test assembling our SdKfz 10 plastic testshot sprues showing the basic half-track. 

Nothing comes close to its detailing and quality!  We will post more pictures on the expansion later this week.

(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/53/7b/1XXtq5TT_t.jpg)

(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/58/2d/jXXdDL6e_t.jpg)

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(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/d8/db/NSIhmaKF_t.jpg)

(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/93/54/ta17LMJu_t.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Assembled 201020
Post by: Tracks on October 21, 2020, 12:05:11 pm
Fantastic!
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Assembled 201023
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 23, 2020, 12:41:28 pm
This is Part 2 of our SdKfz 10 showcasing an "alternate" rear platform to house AA guns...

Special features such as fender rifle racks, front-hood-mount gun loading ramp, and fold-down side & rear panels are all standard.

Please wait for Part 3


(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/d9/8d/cfqUmNzk_t.jpg)

(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/81/64/jzw4CMAE_t.jpg)

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(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/c4/45/oDFmm9GK_t.jpg)

(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/a2/a5/UwOWX9VM_t.jpg)

(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/ee/f5/43tmSp8Q_t.jpg)

(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/12/f3/yzJGActS_t.jpg)

(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/2b/eb/O6vmtNwQ_t.jpg)

(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/0c/19/2TiB7Wy8_t.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Assembled 201023
Post by: Tracks on October 23, 2020, 03:01:59 pm
Less teasing and more releasing  ;D
Seriously, it looks fantastic.
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Assembled 201023
Post by: EarlyWarGamer on October 23, 2020, 10:50:01 pm
This kit has an amazing number of extras that allow for a wide variety of build possibilities!  Going to need a fistful of these to serve as tows and gun platforms in various campaigns. Lovely!!!
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Assembled 201023
Post by: petejones on December 31, 2020, 09:18:38 am
Lovely! Great news about the canvas top(s) as my collection is all painted for winter on the Eastern Front and the troops need all the protection they can get 8)
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Assembled 201023
Post by: Tracks on January 01, 2021, 10:59:40 am
For sure, this is a long overdue model kit, and very useful for the 1:65 (28mm) miniature gamer because the SdKfz.10 was used by the German army in every theater of operation throughout the war. Not only as tows and troop transports, but also as gun platforms such as the 10/4.

Then there are the field modifications. Some SdKfz.10 half-tracks were fitted with a 3.7cm PaK36 or 5cm PaK38 AT gun. The Pak36 was usually just carried complete (including wheels), but the 5cm Pak38 was mounted on a special pivot mount. In a few cases the cab and engine area was armored, but most seem to have not done this, so using a Rubicon Models plastic SdKfz.10 kit and Rubicon Models plastic 5cm PaK38 AT gun kit, it should be pretty easy to kit-bash this popular field modification.

A good plastic kit of the SdKfz.10 was long overdue. That being said, a lot of us were surprised it didn't get released with the last group of kits - the M4A1, Valentine, Comet, Horse Drawn Wagon, and King Tiger. Hopefully it will be released soon though.

If it wasn't for Rubicon Models, our plastic 1:56 (28mm) collections of WW2 armies would be sorely lacking of important vehicles. Yes, I know we had resin+metal kits from the start, but most if not all of these early models were POS/POC. And yes, I know that some of the later resin+metal models were a bit better (Blitzkrieg Miniatures comes to mind), but...
Power to the Plastic!

http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=703.msg8849#msg8849
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Assembled 201023
Post by: Tracks on February 02, 2021, 08:41:55 am
I have noticed that the "News" link on the home page has not been updated since "06 Feb, 2019", but I am guessing that the SdKfz.10 plastic kit is very close to being released. However, if it helps, it is okay for Rubicon Models to send me a kit to "Test" and check to see that everything is perfect, but also include the final draft of the kit's instructions so I can look for any typos and/or oversights.  ;)

(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/53/7b/1XXtq5TT_t.jpg)
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Assembled 201023
Post by: Jaeger on February 03, 2021, 08:46:45 am
So wonderful to see someone with the courage to step up and be willing to put in time and effort to ensure the consumer point of view is considered.  I expect flash will be critiqued, instruction comprehension and how well parts are removed from the sprues would be evaluated. 
Will parts need extra work to be ready for assembly?  Another question that could be answered.
I'm looking forward to this kit too.  I will confidently purchase multiple kits knowing this has been properly vetted.
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Assembled 201023
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 03, 2021, 02:24:45 pm
Rest assured the SdKfz 10 project is moving along smoothly and should be in the next release wave!

The assembly instruction and box art are done, waterslide decal is next!

;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Assembled 201023
Post by: EarlyWarGamer on February 04, 2021, 12:31:46 am
Very much looking forward to this kit!
Title: Re: SdKfz 10 - SdKfz 10 TS1 Assembled 201023
Post by: Tracks on March 19, 2021, 11:41:40 am
These were announced sometime ago, and it looks like they are almost done.
Does anyone know what the projected release dates are for the SdKfz 10 and the Panzer II plastic kits?