Author Topic: The Panzer IV Digital Library - PzIV Ausf H Painted 190816  (Read 187157 times)

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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Tracks & Roadwheels 170318
« Reply #150 on: March 18, 2017, 12:10:05 am »
This was supposed to be posted earlier, but Photobucket had problem with their
upload service for the past two days...

This is the "revised" one-piece track for the Panzer IV.  Each production variant
will have their own drive sprocket and rear idler wheel...



Enjoy!
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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Tracks & Roadwheels 170318
« Reply #151 on: March 18, 2017, 09:04:05 am »
Hiya, that looks really good.

Will you be doing the 3 idler wheel track for use with the ausf J?

Cheers
Tim

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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Tracks & Roadwheels 170318
« Reply #152 on: March 18, 2017, 01:03:27 pm »
Looks great . Don't forget the A - D had different hub caps than the E - J .


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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Tracks & Roadwheels 170318
« Reply #153 on: March 18, 2017, 01:10:25 pm »
Looks great . Don't forget the A - D had different hub caps than the E - J .

We had discussed this at the studio, will probably ignore the differences as "D" is the only one with the earlier hub cap.

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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Tracks & Roadwheels 170318
« Reply #154 on: March 18, 2017, 01:32:28 pm »
I had only just made this discovery myself.

Unfortunately from my point of view I've also discovered Ausf A thru C had quite different drive wheel sprockets than later ones. There is secondary evidence to the contrary with, for example, box art depicting Ausf D with C sprockets but I suspect this is wrong.

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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Tracks & Roadwheels 170318
« Reply #155 on: March 18, 2017, 02:49:36 pm »
Now I'm not so sure. I am seeing elaborate models Of Ausf D with drive wheel sprockets that look like C's and pictures purporting to be D's that also look like they have C's sprockets rather than the later version. Does someone know the truth of this.

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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Tracks & Roadwheels 170318
« Reply #156 on: March 18, 2017, 02:55:49 pm »
@tyroflyer - Ausf A to C (and in some cases, Ausf D) are evolving prototypes of the Panzer IV.  Many parts were gradually replaced or upgraded.  You simply cannot look at some photos to decide what is "correct" for which variant.  We read a lot from reference books and historical blueprints, and pick the "most common" for our final 3D drawings.

-AND- don't use museum exhibits for reference; most of them are incorrect.  We use them only for measurement and scale!
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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Tracks & Roadwheels 170318
« Reply #157 on: March 18, 2017, 04:16:53 pm »
Looks great . Don't forget the A - D had different hub caps than the E - J .

We had discussed this at the studio, will probably ignore the differences as "D" is the only one with the earlier hub cap.

I can live with this.  I think it's more important to have the right sprocket and idler designs for the different versions. 

tyroflyer

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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Tracks & Roadwheels 170318
« Reply #158 on: March 18, 2017, 05:10:13 pm »
Rubicon. No museum exhibits had been referred to. I take your point it's just an example where the driving wheel sprocket can't be used as an identifying feature of an Ausf D. Perhaps the evolution with the road wheels was more clear cut on the transition from D to E. It appears likely both the earlier sprocket fitted to Ausf A to C and the later version were used on the production line for D's.

I don't know why Panzer IV's earlier than Ausf E are described as prototypes. Evolving yes, but prototypes. 134 C's, 229 D's and 223 E's produced. Are the 175 F2's and 25 F2 conversions prototypes for the following 1687 G's? I think these production numbers put them well beyond prototype status and down plays the importance of the earlier variants at the time of the Panzer IV's greatest success.

I have a lot of confidence in you in getting a top notch product to market. The effort you are putting in to the Panzer IV and the Sherman is outstanding.

ripley

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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Tracks & Roadwheels 170318
« Reply #159 on: March 18, 2017, 10:49:00 pm »
Most German tanks are a mix of various parts from the different marks , just look a the variations on the Pzr IV J  . There are pictures of Pzr IV  D s with both early and late hub caps , some times a mix of both on  the vehicle .   The more you think you've got it all figured out , the more you realize how much you don't know .  ::) 

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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Tracks & Roadwheels 170318
« Reply #160 on: March 19, 2017, 10:45:01 am »
Well said ripley. I think I've gone from knowing very little on this subject to almost nothing. Interesting nonetheless.

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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Hull Top 170322
« Reply #161 on: March 22, 2017, 01:31:50 pm »
Again, a prototype of the Panzer IV hull top.  Still a work-in-progress
as we are continuing changing the design to accommodate additional
features added to the digital library.



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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Hull Top 170322
« Reply #162 on: March 22, 2017, 04:41:35 pm »
Looks great!

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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Hull Top 170322
« Reply #163 on: March 22, 2017, 08:18:56 pm »
Definitely on the right track.

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Re: The Panzer IV Digital Library - Hull Top 170322
« Reply #164 on: March 22, 2017, 08:20:44 pm »
Some of the tools and the jack look too shallow in detail ( CAD limitations ?) , but looking good non the less . Lots of potential for other Pzr IV based kits , Stug IV and Brumbar