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Title: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Painted 190528
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 05, 2018, 12:27:04 pm
A quick project that we had missed posting...  The VW Type 1 (Beetle)!

This is going to be a plastic kit with a multi-slide mould body, not too many parts to go with it!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/VW%20Beetle%20181108-1_zpsunq1srqe.jpg)


The prototype...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/VW%20Beetle%20181130-01_zpsygkfqhf0.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/VW%20Beetle%20181130-02_zpsrlrls3uu.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/VW%20Beetle%20181130-03_zpsjkc6viyz.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/VW%20Beetle%20181130-04_zpsodjjemf8.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/VW%20Beetle%20181130-05_zpszgepyyfi.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/VW%20Beetle%20181130-06_zps1a0ekhne.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - eDrawing & Prototype 181205
Post by: EarlyWarGamer on December 05, 2018, 09:48:30 pm
In honor of my first car, I will need at least one of these!
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - eDrawing & Prototype 181205
Post by: Cat on December 05, 2018, 10:47:07 pm
Oooh, and that will be a sweet objective marker too!
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - eDrawing & Prototype 181205
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on December 06, 2018, 04:39:57 am
Nice.
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - eDrawing & Prototype 181205
Post by: Captain Blood on December 08, 2018, 01:35:55 am
Brilliant  :D
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - eDrawing & Prototype 181205
Post by: Tracks on December 08, 2018, 05:43:04 am
What an interesting choice and surprise for a 1:56 (28mm) plastic kit. You do not see a lot of combat photos of these, so I will need to do some reseach into how common these were on the battlefield.

That being said, I still can't wait to see the Kubel and Schwim plastic model kits.

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKm3gsiX3yVSnt_fsNM8RTGGnjLmsYpowrrvnmrCHnstgcx2sj)
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - eDrawing & Prototype 181205
Post by: Pinky on December 11, 2018, 11:57:02 pm
Why is this anywhere near the top of the list?  There are many more useful and important vehicles than this that could have been given the plastic treatment. 
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - eDrawing & Prototype 181205
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 12, 2018, 12:09:55 am
Why is this anywhere near the top of the list?  There are many more useful and important vehicles than this that could have been given the plastic treatment.

This is basically an engineering & production decision.  The Beetle is a quick spinoff from the Kubelwagen as we need a "filler" to complete a multi-slide mould (which contains several projects).  There is nothing on our current projects that require a slot, hence a quick Beetle project which only took us about 10 working days from start to finish...  There is nothing fancy about the Beetle, just a filler project.

;)

Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Sprue 190525
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 25, 2019, 12:13:06 pm
As part of the Kübelwagen extension, here is the TS #1 plastic sprue... inspected and test assembled!

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Beetle%20TS1%20Sprue%20190522-01_zpsandyfstp.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Beetle%20TS1%20Sprue%20190522-02_zpsssyvodzz.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Beetle%20TS1%20Plastic%20190522-01_zpsgruluvmb.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Beetle%20TS1%20Plastic%20190522-02_zpsiq4onenf.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Beetle%20TS1%20Plastic%20190522-03_zpsbhdjf1bh.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Beetle%20TS1%20Plastic%20190522-04_zps9upniwf6.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Beetle%20TS1%20Plastic%20190522-05_zpsfm5wcvoy.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Beetle%20TS1%20Plastic%20190522-06_zpsppuqrfjn.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Sprue 190525
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 25, 2019, 03:20:04 pm
Very nice.
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Sprue 190525
Post by: EarlyWarGamer on May 25, 2019, 09:30:14 pm
I like it! Looks very much like my first car!
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Sprue 190525
Post by: Captain Blood on May 26, 2019, 03:28:12 pm
Love it  8)
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Sprue 190525
Post by: Tracks on May 26, 2019, 04:02:12 pm
The Beetle looks very nice!

I understand that this was a "filler" project to complete a multi-slide mould (which contains several projects), but if it doesn't sell well, will this discourage this practice in the future?

As an example, I plan on getting at least three Kübelwagen kits, but if I order the Beetle kit, I will most likely only order one

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Beetle%20TS1%20Sprue%20190522-02_zpsssyvodzz.jpg)
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Sprue 190525
Post by: Pinky on May 27, 2019, 10:17:24 am
The Beetle looks very nice!

I understand that this was a "filler" project to complete a multi-slide mould (which contains several projects), but if it doesn't sell well, will this discourage this practice in the future?

I think a more useful German 'filler' project would have been a staff car.  It could have been done with the same number of parts. 
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Sprue 190525
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 27, 2019, 11:39:54 am
We had reference material for the VW Beetle on hand, so we used it as a "filler".  Furthermore, we can see uses for this kit for wargaming or modelling from 1938 to 2038!  It's a lovely period piece for WW2, but given the lifetime and worldwide popularity of the "Bug", it would also work on a modern or future sci-fi project easily.  Many customers see great potential for road-warrior type conversions or just rusted out street furniture...  It is also a great kit for us to branch out of the WW2 period and reach out to other customer groups.

;)
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Sprue 190525
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 27, 2019, 03:56:43 pm
I am just painting the Tamiya 1/48 scale model (for post 1960s I use 1/50 - 1/48 scale vehicles for 28mm), and it makes an interesting comparison.

The only thing not present on the Rubicon kit is an option for wheels with hub caps, and there is no glazing.

I am glad you went to the trouble of doing the two sets of headlights. I think from looking at the body shell the Notek is optional.

Have you contemplated doing later body shells in resin?

For other markets, a different set of box art might work, however VAG might pay more attention.
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Sprue 190525
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 27, 2019, 04:03:03 pm
Have you contemplated doing later body shells in resin?
Following on from your Mad Max thoughts, what about a dune buggy body shell in resin?
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Sprue 190525
Post by: Captain Blood on May 27, 2019, 07:37:55 pm
We had reference material for the VW Beetle on hand, so we used it as a "filler".  Furthermore, we can see uses for this kit for wargaming or modelling from 1938 to 2038!  It's a lovely period piece for WW2, but given the lifetime and worldwide popularity of the "Bug", it would also work on a modern or future sci-fi project easily.  Many customers see great potential for road-warrior type conversions or just rusted out street furniture...  It is also a great kit for us to branch out of the WW2 period and reach out to other customer groups.

;)

For goodness sake, you guys are doing a brilliant job and it pains me that you appear to constantly have to justify yourselves to one or two individuals who are endlessly trying to tell you NOT to make your beautiful models, because they want you to concentrate your efforts on other models that they would like to see. It’s really incredibly selfish, and the endless repetition of the same argument is tiresome. You’ve explained repeatedly why you do things the way you do, including development projects for designers and easy-to-make ‘fillers’ using common components from other kits. Perhaps the critics should just let you get on and produce the projects you want to produce, rather than constantly opining what bad business sense it is, and how you should be doing everything differently  ::)
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Sprue 190525
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 28, 2019, 02:08:19 am
Okay, I have found another use for them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Beetle#Post-war_production_and_boom (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Beetle#Post-war_production_and_boom)
"By March 1946 the factory was producing 1,000 cars a month (in [British] Army khaki, under the name Volkswagen Type 1)".
Corgi did an O Gauge one.
https://www.corgi.co.uk/vw-beetle-type-1-british-army-military-police.html (https://www.corgi.co.uk/vw-beetle-type-1-british-army-military-police.html)
A possible option for the decal sheet? No idea if the Corgi one is accurate.
@Captain Blood - yes.
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Sprue 190525
Post by: Jaeger on May 28, 2019, 11:55:44 am
First Plsatic test shot looks great!  Any options for sand tires?

Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Sprue 190525
Post by: Tracks on May 28, 2019, 12:25:13 pm
First Plsatic test shot looks great!  Any options for sand tires?

Maybe the ones from the Kübelwagen kit can be modified to be used on the Beetle kit.
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Painted 190528
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 28, 2019, 01:53:08 pm
Our first VW Beetle testshot assembled and painted for review.

Still have some minor issues and a possible update on selected parts on the sprue, but the overall quality is acceptable.


(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Beetle%20TS1%20Painted%20190527-01_zpsdggwmqca.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Beetle%20TS1%20Painted%20190527-02_zpsvkdoa3x5.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Beetle%20TS1%20Painted%20190527-03_zpsamvp8qeq.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Beetle%20TS1%20Painted%20190527-04_zpsd6elqkuf.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Beetle%20TS1%20Painted%20190527-05_zpskka5uyqf.jpg)

(https://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Beetle%20TS1%20Painted%20190527-06_zpsfbbfmit2.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Sprue 190525
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 28, 2019, 03:13:45 pm
First Plsatic test shot looks great!  Any options for sand tires?

Maybe the ones from the Kübelwagen kit can be modified to be used on the Beetle kit.
Looking at the sprue photograph and the Kubelwagen assembly sheet, parts A36 and A37 appear on the Beetle sprue. A40 and A41 have been replaced with a front axle part. Without being able to see the underside of the Beetle sprue it is difficult to say definitely, but it does look like you should be able to do a straight swap, subject to there being room in the wheel arch.
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Painted 190528
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 28, 2019, 03:17:15 pm
The assembled and painted model looks great.

Wikipedia mentioned use in North Africa, is this backed up by more reputable sources?
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Painted 190528
Post by: Tracks on May 28, 2019, 05:44:17 pm
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKm3gsiX3yVSnt_fsNM8RTGGnjLmsYpowrrvnmrCHnstgcx2sj)
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Painted 190528
Post by: H0ffmn on May 29, 2019, 02:04:32 am
Mr. Blood,
   Yes, you are correct. Rubicon is doing a brilliant job. They have asked for input and feedback, and do not have to justify their decisions to anybody,on this forum at least,but they choose to do so. Other companies do not even take requests or criticisms of their upcoming projects, let alone share what their upcoming projects will be.
   I can see why forum members can question some of their decisions. I have, and I would like to see them flourish. I would hate to see them invest a lot of money in a project  and loose money, which could then in effect, push back or cancel some project. That is why I have questioned why they would take on a project like the giant tracked mortar in 1/56 scale. It may be cool, and look great, but how many people would actually purchase one? Rubicon has stated why they decided to tackle that project. I can respect their decision.
   Also, by Rubicon posting their future projects, it is a good thing, and not such a good thing. Some projects seem to get pushed back, while some new projects are moved ahead. That is fine, and entirely Rubicon's call to make. But some projects, like the M4A1 Sherman tank have been pushed back a few times.It was first discussed on this forum in 2015, and is according to Rubicon's schedule, to be released, I believe, later this year. I can see Rubicon selling a lot more M4A1 Sherman kits than a giant tracked mortar,but it is ultimately their decision to make.
 Yes, I guess some selfishness is involved in kit requests. Everyone have their own special interests that they would like to see made into plastic. Unfortunately, you can't  please everybody, but it doesn't  hurt to ask for certain vehicles to be made into plastic kits.
   
     
 
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Painted 190528
Post by: Captain Blood on May 29, 2019, 03:44:50 am
Mr H0ffmn...
Oh we all do it. We are all diehard enthusiasts for the toys we want, and we want them NOW  ;)
While the Perrys were busily churning out seemingly interminable Napoleonic plastic sets while I was impatiently waiting for more medieval releases, I was certainly on various forums bitching about why they were wasting time with Nappies rather than prioritising MY interests. It’s the selfish, obsessive nature of we hobbyists. So I totally understand it. But it just feels incessant here. Almost every new release, and especially the more esoteric or less mainstream choices (which personally I applaud for their invention and boldness) is greeted with a repeat refrain of (and I paraphrase) ‘why are you wasting your time doing that when you should be making XYZ instead’. I find it wearing as an onlooker, so goodness knows what the guys at Rubicon must feel about the constant complaining.
I’m pretty sure they know their business and the economics of their production inside out. They seem an extremely professional and commercial outfit. They may choose to make certain models for other reasons than sales alone (training, development, or just because they feel like it). Being endlessly advised ‘this won’t sell as well as XYZ’ must be a bit boring for them...
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Painted 190528
Post by: Pinky on May 29, 2019, 08:01:46 am
Blood - why should people who question release decisions not be able to say so?  Rubicon have made this forum available and don't censor the debate.  They've also (sometimes) benefitted from criticism of their decisions.  If you're happy with everything then that's great - continue to tell them so.  Noone will think you're a 'fanboi' or anything like that.  There is another member here who likes to snipe at people who post about technical and historical issues - why?   If it all ultimately results in better kits and, sometimes, redirects a questionable decision, then it's all good. 
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Painted 190528
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 29, 2019, 02:29:31 pm
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKm3gsiX3yVSnt_fsNM8RTGGnjLmsYpowrrvnmrCHnstgcx2sj)
Ah, when this cover was posted originally I had not spotted the AK palm tree (desert colour and dunkelgelb can be difficult to tell apart).

Thanks.
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Painted 190528
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 29, 2019, 03:25:21 pm
This is me trying to pour some oil on troubled waters, not throwing a lighted match on it (on the oil, if you throw a lighted match on troubled water you just get a brief fizz).

@Pinky - my impression was that Captain Blood's original point was the repetitive nature of the release complaints (I know that I have dug out my previous thoughts on why Our Gracious Hosts have made some development decisions, and though I do not think I just cut and pasted text, I certainly covered the same ground in replies).

The M4A1 is an interesting example. Our Gracious Hosts showed us their model and we said "M3 bogies and non direct vision hoods, that is not right". Other companies would have pressed on regardless. Rubicon went back and designed one for us, which would have totally thrown their production schedule into disarray. So not only have they a new part (the hull) to design, they have to rearrange the sprues and then find some space in the limited plastic moulding process.

We are one of the reasons for the delay to the M4A1, but because we challenged them, we and Rubicon get a better product.
Title: Re: VW Type 1 (Beetle) - TS1 Painted 190528
Post by: elias.tibbs on May 29, 2019, 08:20:30 pm
Plus, although the M4A1 was announced x years ago, we’ve had multiple Sherman kits since then. They’re just working through them.