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Rubicon Models => Showcase & Gallery => Topic started by: Tracks on April 17, 2018, 07:16:38 pm
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Because of Rubicon Models, I have now massed a small collection of M4 Medium tanks (AKA Sherman tanks). To date, I have in plastic five Rubicon Models plastic Sherman kits and two plastic Sherman kits of another manufacture. I also have two resin Sherman tanks, but compared to the plastic kits, these resin kits are just awful! For plastic, I have a total of seven, but currently only four are competely finished (assembled and painted).
Because I have so many more M4 Medium tanks than any other tank in my miniature gaming collection, why not start a separate thread featuring only Sherman tanks. I have other tanks including three Panzer IVs (only one is Rubicon), so that might become another thread when Rubicon Models starts releasing the new Panzer IVs.
If Rubicon Models does not mind, I hope to also compare their fantastic plastic Sherman kits to other manufactures of plastic Sherman kits, but more on that later. Hopefully this information will be useful to new comers into this hobby.
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These two plastic Sherman tanks are the M4A3/M4A3E8 kits (#280042) which include several wonderful options. Note that one of the models has the VVSS suspension while the other has the HVSS suspension. Both have the gaming HMG (part D05) option. These are very nice model kits for gaming! Highly recommended.
(https://s19.postimg.cc/lwdaipvkv/M4pic1_rm.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/lwdaipvkv/)
(https://s19.postimg.cc/58lsg7t3j/M4pic2_rm.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/58lsg7t3j/)
I pretty much assembled the kits right out of the box with no major modifications*, changes, or additions. They have also been assembled and painted for the purpose of gaming only, so they are painted to a basic "gaming standard", and not for competition or static display. That being said, please feel free to comment.
*I did make a light modification while assembling these models. The HMGs on both tanks can swivel (turn). They are not fixed in place.
The assembly instructions for this kit are very good, but its an excellent idea to follow the warning in the READ THIS FIRST box on step 2! Why? Well, its not so obvious, but one bogie on each side for the VVSS suspension is different than the others. The flat part has a slight angle (parts A14 and A15). These two parts must go in a specific location and they are not interchangeable with the other bogies. Surprisingly, the instructions does not make note of this, but I noticed it when carefully examining the parts and test fitting. It would be easy for a new modeler or a rushed modeler to miss this little detail. Especially since the other parts (A12, A13, A16, A17) can be press fitted into the location for A14 and A15.
A note about step 2. The angle of the hatch (part D02) is correctly shown for an open hatch. These hatches did not open all the way (180 degrees). Some modelers get this wrong. Also, except for that tab piece, parts A19 and D03 are the same.
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They look very nice.
Thanks for the heads up about the VVSS parts, I have three (one of each) of the New Rubicon Shermans awaiting building (and another original M4A3). Pinky's point about the transmission cover on the Hybrid is also useful to know (save your part D22 from the 76mm kits).
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Lovely painting and weathering, as usual.
The problem with saving the 'sharp nose' transmission housing from this kit is that all 76mm Shermans seem to have had it, so you shouldn't use the rounded version on this kit.
Btw - for some reason I don't seem to be able to post photos (again!).
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Btw - for some reason I don't seem to be able to post photos (again!).
Your existing photographs appear to have disappeared.
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The problem with saving the 'sharp nose' transmission housing from this kit is that all 76mm Shermans seem to have had it, so you shouldn't use the rounded version on this kit.
Pinky, are you sure? I would think with so many Sherman tanks with so many different transmission housings nothing would apply to all. I will have to reference my books when I get home. Speaking of books, even though most of you probably already know this, but a must have book is Sherman: A History of the American Medium Tank by R. P. Hunnicutt. Probably the best book on the Sherman you can get.
(http://www.172shermans.com/graphics/references/Hunnicutt_Sherman.jpg)
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Great book if you can find it for a good price , it's going for big bucks on e bay . Ampersand ( David Doyle Books ) released Son Of Sherman a year or so ago , a much more up to date book. Supposed to be a volume two out on how to build / convert & kit bash the Sherman model kits available today. Most Sherman fans would probably end up getting all 3 . There were only 4 types of tranny housing ( 5 if you count Jumbo ) early bolted which had a notch on mg side ( from M3 Lee production) , Sherman bolted , cast rounded nose , cast sharp nose . Certain factories used certain types all through their production runs , some factories used 2 or 3 types . One factory still 3 piece bolted if IRC in late 44 . The problem is they were all interchangeable . Just like the VSS wheel sets , you could use them to repair any damaged tank ,
(https://s7.postimg.cc/gpvnmqmlz/So_S_cvr.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/gpvnmqmlz/)
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There were only 4 types of tranny housing ( 5 if you count Jumbo ) early bolted which had a notch on mg side ( from M3 Lee production) , Sherman bolted , cast rounded nose , cast sharp nose . Certain factories used certain types all through their production runs , some factories used 2 or 3 types . One factory still 3 piece bolted if IRC in late 44 . The problem is they were all interchangeable . Just like the VSS wheel sets , you could use them to repair any damaged tank ,
(https://s7.postimg.cc/gpvnmqmlz/So_S_cvr.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/gpvnmqmlz/)
I can only find photos of 76mm Shermans with the 'sharp nosed' transmission housing. This makes sense considering that it was the final version of the transmission housing - it would have been standard by the time the 76mm gun was introduced. I don't think the rounded version should have been included in the kit.
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I just read on the shadrack site that both cast noses had 3 distinct versions of the bolt strip , exposed , semi recessed and full recessed , this Sherman tank stuff gets complicated real fast if you do more than scratch the surface . ::)
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The Sherman tank played an important role in WW2, and right now it is a good time for modelers/gamers. If you are just getting into 1:56 scale (28mm) gaming/modeling, you are in luck. When it comes to plastic kits of the Sherman tank, you currently have a good choice to choose from. I say this because not that long ago the only 1:56 (28mm) scale Sherman tanks available were in resin, and they were not that good. Currently there are several 1:56 (28mm) scale plastic Sherman tanks available to the modeler/gamer (Rubicon and Italeri). These newer plastic kits are all superior to the old resin kits.
As of this posting, Rubicon Models have the following Sherman kits available:
M4A3 / M4A3E8 Sherman - http://www.rubiconmodels.com/products.php?i=55
M4A2(W)76 Sherman - http://www.rubiconmodels.com/products.php?i=67
M4A2 Sherman / Sherman Mk III - http://www.rubiconmodels.com/products.php?i=68
M4 Sherman / Firefly IC - http://www.rubiconmodels.com/products.php?i=73
M4 Composite / Firefly IC Hybrid - http://www.rubiconmodels.com/products.php?i=74
But it gets better! Not only do the kits give you several options, but all the kits have interchangeable parts! This makes it very easy to mix and match.
The only major version of the Sherman tank missing from the list is the M4A1 Sherman. You know, the one with the fully cast, rounded upper hull that actually went into production first. I still find it strange that Rubicon Models decided to release the M4 Composite before the more popular and numerous M4A1, but they must have had their reasons for this.
(https://s19.postimg.cc/mx1mvw1b3/Sherman_Boxes.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/mx1mvw1b3/)
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The only major version of the Sherman tank missing from the list is the M4A1 Sherman. You know, the one with the fully cast, rounded upper hull that actually went into production first. I still find it strange that Rubicon Models decided to release the M4 Composite before the more popular and numerous M4A1, but they must have had their reasons for this.
There are just too many open-ended projects that we need to get finished, not just the mould-making phase, but the support-phase... that's decals and manual composition. Creating an assembly instruction takes up more time than anyone would have expected; especially trying to fit everything onto 3 or 5 pages of B5-size paper.
The M4A1 is a lot of work when compared with the other Shermans. Many new components needed to be created; not only the hull, but we have to include the original bogie and suspension, the 3-piece transmission cover, and the tracks. Once started, we cannot stop until finished. Being that said, we will restart the project to complete the M4A1 soon! It is just a case of priority with so many on-hand projects.
On a side note, we are also talking to our resin design team to look into creating more add-on kits similar to the deep wading truck and the T34 Calliope for the Shermans. Who knows what they will think of... ;)
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On a side note, we are also talking to our resin design team to look into creating more add-on kits similar to the deep wading truck and the T34 Calliope for the Shermans. Who knows what they will think of... ;)
Maybe a...
- M4 Sherman Dozer
- M4 Sherman Mine Exploder (Flail and/or Roller)
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...and/or:
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The only major version of the Sherman tank missing from the list is the M4A1 Sherman. You know, the one with the fully cast, rounded upper hull that actually went into production first.
All depends on your point of view, the M4A4 is more important than the others - at least for my interests (and we all remember Pinky's opinion on the currently available options).
I fully understand Our Gracious Hosts' timetable for the M4A4 due to the extensive changes required.
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...(and we all remember Pinky's opinion on the currently available options).
Which one? I lose track :P
I would rather Rubicon took their time and put out an M4A1 with all the options for an early version, as they seem to be planning. The 76mm version is an easy one for them, as it just involves a new hull.
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All depends on your point of view, the M4A4 is more important than the others - at least for my interests (and we all remember Pinky's opinion on the currently available options).
The M4A4, or the Sherman with the lengthened hull. Another important version, I agree! However, a plastic M4A4 (Sherman V) kit is available to us. It is made by PSC for Warlord Games, and while it might not be of Rubicon Models excellence, it is still a pretty good plastic model kit, and so much better than any resin kit.
That being said, the reality is that no one makes a plastic M4A1 kit... yet. ;)
...and/or:
(https://s19.postimg.cc/52st8qflr/Sherman_Jumbo.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/52st8qflr/)
A Sherman Jumbo... now here is an idea. How easy would it be to scratch build one of these using Rubicon Models M4A3 / M4A3E8 Sherman (Product Code: 280042)? Using plastic sheets (Evergreen Scale Models) it should be pretty easy to add the extra armor on the hull. The new casting for the heavier final drive assembly cover looked almost similar to the standard rounded cover, so just using part E26 might work without modification. I think the biggest problem would be the turret. Even though it was based on the T23 76 mm turret, there are some differences, but how easy would it be to convert the kit's turret into a Jumbo turret?
Oh, and you will have to use parts D20 and D21 because I think all the Jumbos used the track extenders. This was because of the extra weight of the tank.
Trivial Note: I would like to point out that the name "Jumbo" does not appear in any official wartime documents. It was simply called the M4A3E2 Assault tank. The name "Jumbo" came later after the war. Some say that the post-war nickname was created by a model company.
(https://s19.postimg.cc/t6jkx0qcv/Sherman_Field_Expedient_Jumbo.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/t6jkx0qcv/)
Even easier to make might be the Field Expedient Jumbo. We would start with the Rubicon Models M4A3 / M4A3E8 Sherman (Product Code: 280042) to make a Field Expedient Jumbo. These were created using 76mm gun armed M4A3 with HVSS by increasing the armor protection with additional armor welded to the glacis and turret. The additional armor was scavenged from wrecked tanks (German and American), but not from knocked-out tanks that burned - the heat of the intense fire compromised the steel. Other M4s were preferable because the entire glacis plates from wrecked Sherman tanks could be cut out and welded to the vehicle without needing to move gun travel lock or cutting a hole for the bow MG.
I have already assembled and painted my two M4A3 / M4A3E8 Sherman (Product Code: 280042). Now I have to order another one!
(https://s19.postimg.cc/lwdaipvkv/M4pic1_rm.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/lwdaipvkv/)
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The M4A4, or the Sherman with the lengthened hull. Another important version, I agree! However, a plastic M4A4 (Sherman V) kit is available to us. It is made by PSC for Warlord Games, and while it might not be of Rubicon Models excellence, it is still a pretty good plastic model kit, and so much better than any resin kit.
I have two each of the two Sherman Vs (though only one finished and one under construction):
http://ultravanillasmurf.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Sherman%20V (http://ultravanillasmurf.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Sherman%20V)
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Company B used to do an upgrade kit for Abram's later Thunderbolt, now they just do the kit.
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I think a reasonable Jumbo could be made using the Rubicon turret as a starting point . Build up the sides with thin plastic and add curves and texture with green stuff . I did that to a BA T-34 Uralmash turret , the one supplied in the kit is way to narrow / small . But I had very good 4 view scale drawings and numerous pictures of the turret and I had 3 turret shells from the BA Platoon box , so I had lots of wiggle room if I f#cked one up ( which I did ::) ) . If you only have one turret to work with , and this kind of kit bashing is not in your comfort zone , you might just wreak the turret . Now if you have a few left over turrets from numerous Rubicon kits , you have the means to hone your skills and make a go of it . Still going to need good 4 view scale drawings though or maybe have the Company B tank on hand as a visual reference . Green stuff would work well to bulk up the cast nose . On the other hand Company B have this add on lit which they say fits " most " 1/56 scale Shermans . At $11 US it might be a easier way to get your self a Jumbo
(https://s7.postimg.cc/6u550kknr/IMG_3664_1024x1024.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6u550kknr/)
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Even easier to make might be the Field Expedient Jumbo. We would start with the Rubicon Models M4A3 / M4A3E8 Sherman (Product Code: 280042) to make a Field Expedient Jumbo. These were created using 76mm gun armed M4A3 with HVSS by increasing the armor protection with additional armor welded to the glacis and turret. The additional armor was scavenged from wrecked tanks (German and American), but not from knocked-out tanks that burned - the heat of the intense fire compromised the steel. Other M4s were preferable because the entire glacis plates from wrecked Sherman tanks could be cut out and welded to the vehicle without needing to move gun travel lock or cutting a hole for the bow MG.
(https://s19.postimg.cc/lwdaipvkv/M4pic1_rm.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/lwdaipvkv/)
I would like to see you do one of these!
It would be relatively easy for Rubicon to produce an M4A3E2 resin upgrade. It would require a resin turret, preferably with a separate mantlet, and a new transmission housing. I suppose the hull could just be modified with plastic card, but I'd hope that Rubicon would do the hull in resin as well.
We seem to have hijacked Tracks' thread...
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I have already assembled and painted my two M4A3 / M4A3E8 Sherman (Product Code: 280042). Now I have to order another one!
(https://s19.postimg.cc/lwdaipvkv/M4pic1_rm.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/lwdaipvkv/)
They look fantastic by the way!
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We seem to have hijacked Tracks' thread...
No worries!
As long as its M4 Medium tank related, it applies here. :)
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Not so many years ago the only Sherman tanks (or any vehicles really) available in 1:56 (28mm) scale were these resin kits with metal bits. These days the gamer/modeler has a pretty good selection of plastic Sherman tanks in 1:56 (28mm) scale to choose from, and these new plastic kits are far superior than the old resin kits. Especially with the Rubicon Models kits because of all the options they provide with most of the parts from the different kits being interchangeable. This gives the gamer/modeler a wide assortment of choices.
Currently Rubicon offers the following plastic kits:
M4A3 / M4A3E8 Sherman - http://www.rubiconmodels.com/products.php?i=55
M4A2(W)76 Sherman - http://www.rubiconmodels.com/products.php?i=67
M4A2 Sherman / Sherman Mk III - http://www.rubiconmodels.com/products.php?i=68
M4 Sherman / Firefly IC - http://www.rubiconmodels.com/products.php?i=73
M4 Composite / Firefly IC Hybrid - http://www.rubiconmodels.com/products.php?i=74
Warlord Games (WG) also has a few to offer:
M4 (75) Sherman - (by Italieri for WG)
M4A4 (75) Sherman - (by Plastic Soldier Company for WG)
M4A4 Firefly - (by Plastic Soldier Company for WG)
(https://s19.postimg.cc/nv2dn7u3j/M4_A3_Sherman_IT.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/nv2dn7u3j/)
This gives us a really good selection of plastic Sherman tanks to choose from, but as mentioned earlier in this thread, the only major version of the Sherman tank in plastic missing from the list above is the M4A1 with its cast upper hull, but it has been said that Rubicon Models will be releasing a plastic kit of the M4A1 in the future.
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This one?
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/M4A3%20Sherman/M4A1%20Chassis%20180322-1_zps63bfbl0d.jpg)
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Did you forget the Warlord M4 ? Much better kit IMO than their A4 versions
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Did you forget the Warlord M4 ? Much better kit IMO than their A4 versions
Oops! My bad. I have the version listed as the M4A3, but you are correct in that it is the M4 version. It even says "M4 Sherman Medium Tank" right on the box (Doh!). I will fix the listing above.
The plastic Sherman kits offered by Warlord Games are made by two different companies. The M4 kit was made by Italeri while both the M4A4 kits were made by PSC. I think both are good plastic kits, but I would have to agree with you in that the Italeri kit is a little better than the PSC kits.
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The plastic Sherman kits offered by Warlord Games are made by two different companies. The M4 kit was made by Italeri while both the M4A4 kits were made by PSC. I think both are good plastic kits, but I would have to agree with you in that the Italeri kit is a little better than the PSC kits.
The plastic Sherman V is okay, but no better than that. The detail is very chunky, and parts of it are overscale. It looks more like a resin model than a plastic one. As I've mentioned, I threw my Vc Fireflies away when the Rubicon M4 and M4 Composite kits came out.
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Compare the Mantlet dot com (sans Russian mongooses).
Italeri/Warlord M4
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yAqxKIEdBXo/WITwEutTIYI/AAAAAAAAByc/LsqFXOfwDL8QSkjnrmNM_db37ZqvOwEKgCLcB/s1600/m4-gunmantlet.png)
Warlord M4A4.
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uspyeL5mJFg/WITwEtEwcHI/AAAAAAAAByg/JQEXzcjyJ0Yayg_0CNN4-PBvft3gCAUzgCLcB/s1600/m4a4-gunmantlet.png)
I have three Rubicon 75mm turret sets to build, but only have 76mm (one original, one new) turrets built.
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(https://s19.postimg.cc/5s9aw0dof/M4_A1_at_MVTF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5s9aw0dof/)
Rubicon has already said they will produce the M4A1, but I wonder if they are planning on an early, mid, or late production version? Or will they include bits like M3 and M4 bogies for example so that the modeler will have a choice to make an early, mid, or late?
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Contrary to the 3d picture above...
Rubicon have indicated that they are doing the parts for an early M4A1 (vertical bogies, bolted transmission housing), so we could be looking at different M4A1 hulls - early small hatch with direct vision ports, later small hatch, perhaps with applique armour, and large hatch (76mm) version.
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=395.msg9540#msg9540 (http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=395.msg9540#msg9540)
I suspect only two hull options, but it might be possible to have separate drivers' hoods for the direct vision option mentioned by Pinky.
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I wonder if Rubicon would consider a Sherman add on kit like the have for their German half tracks ? You could have a bolted and the 2 versions of the cast nose , separate pieces for the front and side applique armor , extra single spare track links , as well as some in the Brit style 3 link holder found on the glacis plate and the verticle one the US mounted on the hull rear . They could even include a set each of the early and late style bogies . It would be more a modeller kind of kit as you'ld have to rework bits to fit the paticuler kit you were using , but there seem to be a few of us can't build it out of the box guys out here :-[
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Rubicon have addressed this previously, I tried to send that post to this topic, which I wasn't able to but it is up in the works in progress section
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I'm sure Rubicon will amaze us with their M4A1 kit. After all, look at the M4A3E8 kit. It comes with three different (one piece!) track and bogie choices!
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I just picked up a Rubicon Models M10 / M36 Tank Destroyer (Product Code: 280029). This looks like a very nice kit, but since I only have one, the question I was pondering was should I assemble it as the M10 or M36. But after looking at my collection I realizing that I already have two M10s (see picture below), it was clear I will be assembling this kit as the M36.
(https://s19.postimg.cc/ae5nknmhr/M10.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ae5nknmhr/)
So why am I listing this here in our M4 Medium tank thread? The answer is simple. The M10 and M36 Tank Destroyers share a lot with the M4 Medium tank (lower hull and power plants). Also, there is the M36B1, and over 180 of these were produced using normal M4A3 hulls from October to December, 1944. With Rubicon Models, you can make the M36B1, but this requires kit# 280012, and is is no longer available.
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You should be able to use the 280042 M4A3 kit as the turret rings are (supposed) to be compatible (they are undersized for the real turret ring hence the different hull top for the M10).
@Rubicon, you might want to mention that on the instructions page http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=588.0 (http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=588.0)
You might want to check Pinky's comments on the M10/M36 instructions thread.
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=407.0 (http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=407.0)
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So why am I listing this here in our M4 Medium tank thread? The answer is simple. The M10 and M36 Tank Destroyers share a lot with the M4 Medium tank (lower hull and power plants). Also, there is the M36B1, and over 180 of these were produced using normal M4A3 hulls from October to December, 1944. With Rubicon Models, you can make the M36B1, but this requires kit# 280012, and is is no longer available.
The M36 turret fits perfectly on the current M4A3 (76mm) hull. I just checked. But the tracks from that kit don't fit the M36 hull. And the detail on the M36 kit is a bit inferior (the turret is fine though). So you can build a very nice M36B1.
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I have confirmed that the 90mm gun M36 turret you get with the M10/M36 model kit will indeed fit on the new M4A3 kit (280042), so you can easily use your M4A3 as an M36B1 just by switching out the turrets. This gives you a lot of flexibility with Rubicon models.
I will assemble my M10/M36 kit as an M36, but if I want I can use the M36 turret on one of my M4A3s to have an M36B1. I just need to paint my M36 so that it has the same tones and weathering as my M4A3s, which will be easy enough.
(https://s19.postimg.cc/5qyofse0f/IMG001.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5qyofse0f/)
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If I had access to a good 3D printer, I would be testing how it works with these .stl files:
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2926163
Rubicon's M4A1 model kit would be so much better than this 3D printed M4A1, but a Rubicon Models M4A1 is still a long way off. As a temporary solution, maybe finding a good 3D printer could help. Has anyone else tried 3D printing at this scale before? If so, what do you think?
(https://cdn.thingiverse.com/renders/d9/ff/f4/c6/65/2b094860d9c9f2279d07be60d903bab6_preview_featured.jpg)
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While I marvel at the ability of guys to make these 3D printed models , I also shudder at the amount of things I find wrong or just Yuck that I would have fix or replace in the one posted . Now I have seen awesome scale 3D kits with interior even , but the price , at least for me , is way too high . Now price does depend on the quality of plastic/ resin used , I looked at some 1/35 wheels for an Armored car ,lowest price for a set of 4 was $24 , the top of the line , best quality plastic/ resin and pretty much zero for those pesky lines was $85 , yikes ! The kit they were to go on was $30 . . I would rather wait for Rubicon and pick up their M4A1 .
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The current state of commercially available 3D printed models is certainly a mixed bag, but there have been better examples - this chap ran a KS for the files for an assortment of WWII tanks & they aren't bad:
(https://s33.postimg.cc/xbapnu86z/t34-view4-zonion-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/xbapnu86z/)
(https://s33.postimg.cc/rad0qw3m3/tiger1-view4-zonion.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/rad0qw3m3/)
The Tiger has a few issues, but the T34 is pretty good & the quality is only likely to increase over time.
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I think 3D can be a boon to the war gamer , you need more of something for a game , you just make it . But the cost of a good printer is the obstacle , IMO . One of my friends has one that cost about $700 US . Makes nice brick rubble piles and stacks of barrels but the buildings he's attempted , well lets say , they make a great village ruin ::) . Now , it could be operator error , or it could be the 3D share ware or whatever the programs are called , might not be 100% compatible with his machine . I for one am going to wait till the price comes down and the programs are just plug and play so to speak , really this tech stuff is beyond me :-[ . And the price will fall , I remember my 1st micro wave , $800 , you can get the sames ize now with more features for $40 .Of course its taken 25 years and I might not live that long .....
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No here's something you don't see everyday. A laser cut wooden M4 Sherman tank.
I think I will stick with the Power of Plastic.
(https://cdn.thingiverse.com/renders/70/c8/fc/70/ab/23cc2f718ded70cf3b9e9c3d4620bb91_preview_featured.jpg)
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For those that do not know about this yet, there is a new 1:56 Sherman kit available. Actually, I should say that its an older kit, but with new parts to make the crocodile variant. I say this because the "new" kit is the same original M4 Sherman kit that Italeri made for Warlord Games sometime ago. The M4 Sherman itself is plastic, but the crocodile bits to make the variant are resin and metal.
(http://battlequarters.com/4398/sherman-crocodile-flamethrower-tank.jpg)
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In other M4 Sherman news, we recently learned more details about the M4A1 that Rubicon Models is planning to release. More information can be found in the "Work In Progress" section. There are several plastic Sherman kits on the market now, but this will be the first 1:56 (28mm) scale plastic M4A1 ever made. I hope this kit sales well for Rubicon Models.
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/M4A3%20Sherman/M4A1%20Prototype%20180619-01_zpshjmsvf2h.jpg)
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Well let's hope they deal with the hull issue, or it's going to be a kit of a very rare M4A1.
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Maybe they can give us 2 upper hulls sort of like they did in the SU-122 / 85 kit . As you say a non direct vision with early wheels is rather rare . And if they don't " fix " it , we can still build a mid and keep the early wheels for a future build . Does suck though if your an early war gamer :'(
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The M3 Bogie Truck assembly with the overhead roller was used on M3 Medium (AKA Lee/Grant), early M7 Priest, and on some of the early M4 Medium tanks and on some of the early M4A1 Medium tanks (AKA Shermans). However, I agree that the M3 Bogie Truck was mostly used on "Shermans" with the Direct Vision Slots, and it would be uncommon (but not impossible) for an M4 or M4A1 to have the M3 Bogie Truck and no Direct Vision Slots.
That being said, I'm excited to see the M3 Bogie Truck because 1) it gives us another option for our M4 Medium Tanks, and 2) it brings us one step closer to Rubicon making an M3 Medium Tank (Lee/Grant) plastic model kit. If you ask me, I think an M3Lee/Grant Rubicon Models kit will sell much better than the SdKfz 173 Jagdpanther they are planning to release soon.
(http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/manufacturer/m4a1lima/m4a1_lima20.JPG)
Note the details of the M3 Bogie Trucks. Very interesting and useful photo.
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Did you know that the M4A1 Medium Tanks that fought at Alamein had originally been given to the US 1st Armored Division? However, things changed when the first shipment of M4A1 Medium Tanks sent to Egypt were lost enroute because the cargo ships carrying them were sunk. As a result, the US 1st Armored Division gave up their brand new M4A1s as replacements for the British. As a result, when the US 1st Armored fought in Tunisia, they were equipped with a mix of M3 Medium and M4A1 Medium tanks.
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Maybe they can give us 2 upper hulls sort of like they did in the SU-122 / 85 kit.
Not sure how practical that will be, but maybe Rubicon Models can think of some cleaver way to incorporate both versions 1) M4A1 with Direct Vision Slots, and 2) the elimination of the Direct Vision Slots.
I wonder how easy or difficult it would be to have that just as a part to add to the hull of the M4A1.
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I'm sure the driver's hood area could be molded as a separate drop in piece , but there's going to be mold and join lines that will need to be filled and sanded to get the curve and finish of the cast hull . So its not going to be an out of the box perfectly detailed M4A1 . Now if the front plate was flat , like on the M4 , it would be easy . And as these kits are for both gamers and modellers ,( of a variety of skills ) I'm sure Rubicon want to make it as perfect as possible right oob . So no need to putty and designing that is going to tough if not impossible IMO
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History Tab
Did you know that the M4A1 Medium Tanks that fought at Alamein had originally been given to the US 1st Armored Division? However, things changed when the first shipment of M4A1 Medium Tanks sent to Egypt were lost enroute because the cargo ships carrying them were sunk. As a result, the US 1st Armored Division gave up their brand new M4A1s as replacements for the British. As a result, when the US 1st Armored fought in Tunisia, they were equipped with a mix of M3 Medium and M4A1 Medium tanks.
318 M4A1s and M4A2s were sent to the British; one ship was sunk so 52 were diverted from US units.
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[And if they don't " fix " it , we can still build a mid and keep the early wheels for a future build . Does suck though if your an early war gamer :'(
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To save the early suspension /track/wheel set for a future build would probably only be useful if they were to make a M-7 Priest, As I would think that if Rubicon were to make a M-3 Lee/Grant, that the kit would include a set of the correct suspension. I would not like to see Rubicon start selling different components so you would have to buy two complete kits to make a certain , say early version , of Sherman tank
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I would use the early wheel set to convert a M4 . Much easier to add scratch built direct vision bits to the flat front plate of a M4 than mess around with the A1's curves IMO . Hopefully we'll get a M4A1 direct vision from Rubicon at some point , and I'm thinking a second hull in the kit should be a no brainer , but Rubicon's decision to add it or not is not up to me , They might have reasons not to or they do plan that version at some point but not now . We'll just have to wait
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I hope Rubicon go back to the drawing board on this. Otherwise it will be like ESCI's infamous 1/72 scale M4A1, which had the large hatch hull and the 75mm turret. It turns out a few of these were built (and virtually all of them seem to have been converted into DD tanks), but it was very much a one-off version. Having gone to all the trouble of putting out a plastic M4A1, it would be sad if it only depicted a weird hybrid. I would have thought there was room on the sprues for 2 different hulls (one with direct vision ports and one without), but if the M3-style bogies are going to be included (and I think most of us want them) that means including 2 sets of tracks as well. That's probably pushing it.
Separately, I was looking at the photo Tracks put up. I'd never seen it before, and it is very interesting. It struck me how archaic the VVSS looks - its 19th century rolling-stock ancestry is very apparent in all those rounded, cast surfaces. But it's also apparent how easy it was to replace, compared to German suspension units. The photo also emphasises what nice lines the M4A1 hull had compared to the welded hull Shermans.
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I hope Rubicon are reading this, we have now two threads on the M4A1, this one and the work in progress one.
What is interesting is the sprue content.
It has been stated that the kit only contains the M3 style running gear. Now the M4 kit contains two upper hulls (the hybrid only one though) and one set of running gear. So it is possible that it could have both hull types. A large hatch one (like the M4A2) would be pointless with the M3 running gear.
Of course this could just be wishful thinking.
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It has been stated that the kit only contains the M3 style running gear. Now the M4 kit contains two upper hulls (the hybrid only one though) and one set of running gear. So it is possible that it could have both hull types. A large hatch one (like the M4A2) would be pointless with the M3 running gear.
Yes, the M4A1 (75mm) kit could include 2 hulls, just like the M4 and M4A2 (75mm) kits. I'm sure there will be a separate kit of the M4A1 (76mm) - possibly with HVSS running gear and/or extended end connectors - so that's the large hatch hull taken care of. But an M4A1 (75mm) kit with both the early and mid-production hulls would also need M4 running gear as well as the M3 running gear, for the reasons explained.
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Yes, true. I have one M4 set of running gear from the M4A3 that will end up on the M4A1 as has been shown.
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I have finished assembling and painting my M36B1. All that is needed is add the crew members to the turret.
Inspired by the assembled kit shown on Rubicon Models' site (see below), I didn't give it any thought about the muzzle break. You get a choice of two different muzzle breaks, and I was only focused on the type used during WW2.
(http://www.rubiconmodels.com/images/product/RM%20280029%20M10-M36-160202-0520160202232859.jpg)
However, I recently discovered that many sources suggest that the muzzle break was rarely used on the M36B1 for one reason or another, and the few actual WW2 combat photos I'm able to find confirms this fact. Yes, there are a few pictures showing the muzzle break, and there is a nice picture of a M36B1 with the muzzle break in "US Tank Destroyers" by Squadron Signal, and this picture is in almost all my books that has information about the M36B1, but the photo captions says, "The M36B1 was classified as a Substitute Standard and proved to be an easy way to quickly get additional 90mm guns into the European theater. The 90mm gun could be fitted with a muzzle brake, but this was rarely seen during the war due to the time involved in fitting it and its related equipment." (p.19, US Tank Destroyers, Squadron Signal)
Even though I have finished my M36B1 model (except for the crew), I am pondering the idea of making a modification to the gun's muzzle. Since it was not common for the M36B1 to have the muzzle break, I am thinking of removing it. In fact, I know I will. It shouldn't be all that difficult to make this modification, but has anyone else preformed this procedure on their M36B1 model?
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Most of the war photos of the B1 in Europe show no muzzle break . I say most because some are probably post war , but the combat photos , where the crew are manning the MG and the tank is covered in maximum stowage show none . Usually with counter weight on the end , but some times none and the threads are visible . Even the official US War Department photos of the B1 show no muzzle break . You might want to check out the Tankograd book if your going to build more than one
(https://s33.postimg.cc/bjyqut6xn/6036_M36_01.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/bjyqut6xn/)
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I don't have my references to hand, but I thought the M36B1 lacked the muzzle brake. It wasn't even fitted to the 'standard' M36 until late in the production run, as they were in short supply. I don't recall seeing any photos of M36B1s with muzzle brakes, at least during WW2 (a lot of modifications were made to the M36 series after the war, including fitting muzzle brakes).
Your M36B1 looks very nice. I prefer US vehicles with lots of stowage, but your understated weathering and highlighting is very attractive. It's too late, I know, but another common feature of M36B1s was extended end connectors on the tracks, to offset the weight of the turret. The wider tracks also look better, as it's otherwise quite a tall, narrow vehicle.
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You might want to check out the Tankograd book if your going to build more than one
(https://s33.postimg.cc/bjyqut6xn/6036_M36_01.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/bjyqut6xn/)
I'm on it.
Your M36B1 looks very nice. I prefer US vehicles with lots of stowage, but your understated weathering and highlighting is very attractive. It's too late, I know, but another common feature of M36B1s was extended end connectors on the tracks, to offset the weight of the turret. The wider tracks also look better, as it's otherwise quite a tall, narrow vehicle.
Just for the record, that M36B1 pictured above is Rubicon's. Was using it as eye-candy and example.
I will post pictures of my M36B1 when complete. Muzzle break removed and the crew is almost finished.
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Oh - I thought it was yours. I guess that's also a reflection of how well Rubicon paints their kits!
If yours is still in progress, then it'd be worth adding the tracks with extended end connectors.
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Oh - I thought it was yours. I guess that's also a reflection of how well Rubicon paints their kits!
I had mentioned it was Rubicon's. Also, the picture has their name and date. ???
If yours is still in progress, then it'd be worth adding the tracks with extended end connectors.
Sorry Pinky, it is too late for that. As mentioned, I had already completed the model, but later decided to remove the muzzle break.
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The perils of reading the forum on a BlackBerry screen!
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My M36B1 is complete and ready for the gaming table. I think I said this before, but all my 1/56 scale plastic kits are assembled and painted for the purpose of gaming only, and not the highly detailed work you would see for competition or static display.
Removing the muzzle bread was very easy, and scratch building the collar ring wasn't that difficult. However, I did not bother with the fine threading at the end of the barrel in front of the collar ring.
The crew figures are plastic and converted from various other figures from Rubicon Models plastic kits.
I used a brass pin, so the HMG actually swivels. I didn't have to do that, but it was pretty easy, so why not?
(https://s19.postimg.cc/pgarosnwv/M36_B1_rm.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/pgarosnwv/)
Here is a better picture of the commander figure before clean up and painting. Originally I was planning to use this figure for something else, but since I have spares, I went ahead and used the little guy for my M36B1. I did have to cut off the lower part of his legs to make him fit.
(https://s19.postimg.cc/b4j4b408f/Custom_figure_rs.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/b4j4b408f/)
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Looks good
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I repeat my earlier comments as regards your skill at painting...
I'm still not sold on Rubicon's figures, but they are properly in scale with the vehicles and that's a plus.
Now I want to do one of these!
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For fun, I'm thinking about using a RM kit to make a "Field Expedient Jumbo" using the Rubicon Models M4A3 / M4A3E8 Sherman (Product Code: 280042).
These tanks were created using the 76mm gun armed M4A3 with HVSS and increasing the armor protection. Additional armor was welded to the glacis and turret as shown in the picture. This additional armor was actually scavenged from wrecked tanks (German and American) that had not "brewed-up" (go up in flames) - the heat of the intense fire compromised the strength of the steel. Using the armor from other wrecked M4s was preferable because the entire glacis plates could be cut away. This made adding the extra armor to the "Field Expedient Jumbo" easier, there are a lot of pictures showing various ways how the armor was added. I have plenty sheets of plastic of various thickness, so that will not be a problem.
(https://s19.postimg.cc/t6jkx0qcv/Sherman_Field_Expedient_Jumbo.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/t6jkx0qcv/)
I was just wondering if anyone else has contemplated making a "Field Expedient Jumbo", or has already started or finish such a project. If so I would be interested in hearing and/pr seeing some of the tweaks or ideas you did.
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Very cool idea . Never thought of it myself as I only like Shermans with the VVSS wheel sets :-[ . Lots of variations out there , should be easy to bash up once you pick the version you want to model ;D
(https://s33.postimg.cc/4xjo2ykzf/M4_A3_E2_541.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4xjo2ykzf/)
(https://s33.postimg.cc/l8jrza56z/M4_A3_E2_30.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/l8jrza56z/)
IRC , I've seen a picture of one with zimmert on the steel plate , think it was from the nose of a Panther
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For a really freaky version, there was a model of an Israeli live fire target (manned vehicle used as target for small calibre guns) with front and side armour from scavenged plate from donor vehicles. I have found photographs of ones with side armour.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/M4-Sherman-Monster-latrun-1.jpg)
From Wikipedia.
Bonus points for identifying the donors.
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Company B used to do a kit for one.
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I still recommend good books like:
(http://www.172shermans.com/graphics/references/Hunnicutt_Sherman.jpg)
(https://postimg.cc/image/gpvnmqmlz/)
(https://s7.postimg.cc/gpvnmqmlz/So_S_cvr.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/gpvnmqmlz/)
But for those that do not know about this website yet, here is a good site on the Sherman:
http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/index.html (http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/index.html)
I have not fully explored this site in detail, so I do not know if everything is 100% accurate, but there is some useful information.
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Bonus points for identifying the donors.
Looks familiar, but I can't put my finger on it. I'll get back to you on this.
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With those round hatches , looks like some kind of T-34 or T-10M rear transmission access plates . Looking at it again , I would say two T-34 transmission hatch plates , the squares on either side of the round hatch is where the T-34 exhaust covers go
(https://s33.postimg.cc/gq00rb90r/6aab6d031b6ed18f016b4e5b0cf0ccc3_LI.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/gq00rb90r/)
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The most alarming thing about this vehicle is that it was manned! Some battle-crazed Israeli had to drive this while his mates took shots at him.
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IRC it was for training crews on how to sight in and traverse on a moving target , They used small caliber rounds ( 20/30mm ) , I think a 105 round would really ruin your day if it landed on target . Probably cheaper than all that laser stuff the USA and Germans use
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One of the surviving Ram tanks was a live fire target.
[Edit] It is the one a Bovington, an Evasive Target Tank.
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How easy would it be to scratch build a Sherman bulldozer from one of the Rubicon kits?
(http://www.davidpride.com/Israeli_Armor/images/IL_Armor_04_228.jpg)
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The tank kit would be built out of the box . Its the blade and associated stuff you'ld have to scratch . Company B make a resin / metal Sherman bulldozer kit ( about $12 US IRC ) , and S&S Model in the UK make one in metal . I used the Comp B kit on this BA M4 . You have to add shims to the arm joint on the wheel tower as I believe it was mastered for the resin kits . You also have to add a couple of small pieces ( hydralic hoses / guard ) Somewhere I've got some pictures from the tec manual , I'll dig them out and post them for you
(https://s33.postimg.cc/ks100h0sr/IMG_20180626_213532438.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ks100h0sr/)
(https://s33.postimg.cc/bk8rjvomj/IMG_20180626_213555448.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/bk8rjvomj/)
Hmm , strange gun and mantlet on that one . The machine gun looks like its mounted too high , is it a 105 gun or a flame thrower barrel ?
I checked and it is a 105 . How about one of these when Rubicon get around to making a Grant ?
(https://s33.postimg.cc/y7x7hslln/M3_Grant_Dozer.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/y7x7hslln/)
And while I was looking through my pictures for the Dozer Tech manual pictures ( I found them ! ) , I found this with extra armor plate on the nose . Have you seen this one Tracks ?
(https://s33.postimg.cc/q3p3cn6rv/m4a3-76-medium-tank-03.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/q3p3cn6rv/)
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Nice find and that 'dozer looks good.
On that armoured Sherman, there appears to be a full set of brush guards, but I could not see the actual lights etc.
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And while I was looking through my pictures for the Dozer Tech manual pictures ( I found them ! ) , I found this with extra armor plate on the nose . Have you seen this one Tracks ?
(https://s33.postimg.cc/q3p3cn6rv/m4a3-76-medium-tank-03.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/q3p3cn6rv/)
Thanks ripley. Yes, and it is one of the field expedient M4s that started to take the field towards the end of the war. The one pictured above would be easier to make compared to other pictures of field expedient M4 tanks I have seen.
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Smurf , Sherman headlights were remove able . They plugged into a hole under the guard . There was an armored plug carried in a tube on the side of the guard to close the hole when the lights were taken off ( lights stored inside by bow gunner IRC , they carried 2 sets ) . It was the hole on the bow gunners side the the control line for the dozer blade went through as he controlled it
(https://s33.postimg.cc/gll7idpjv/M4_A3-drivers-side-headlight_LI.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/gll7idpjv/)
(https://s33.postimg.cc/5yrectzd7/30_31_LI.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5yrectzd7/)
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This one should be a piece of cake to kit bash . Only problem being is most of the extra armor Shermans seen to be Yank tanks . I guess not a problem if your modelling the US forces ::)
(https://s33.postimg.cc/hacxre657/tumblr_opwwkn_Z7_Gt1sfdr4zo1_1280.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/hacxre657/)
I'm trying to figure out how to build my last BA Panzer IV to look like this one
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This one should be a piece of cake to kit bash.
Not a piece of cake yet. We have to wait for the release of Rubicon's M4A1 plastic model kit to kit bash that beast.
As for the Panzer IV, start with one of those older resin kits. You're halfway there! :D
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Well , a piece of cake as in its a square with a hole cut in it ,the A1 would be a heck of a kit bash with loads of Green Stuff ;D . Start with resin kit LOL
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After coming across this link:
http://www.onthewaymodels.com/reviews/Solfig/Retrokit_72231_preview.htm
I started to think about what it would take to convert one of the M4 Rubicon kits into a M32 Recovery Vehicle. Currently we do not have available the M4A1 just yet, but the M32 also used other M4 hulls as well.
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Everything looks easy enough to scratch build the needed bits to convert a Rubicon kit into a M32 Recovery Vehicle, its just the turret that makes things more difficult.
(https://obchod.corfix.cz/Model-Kit-tank-6547-M32B1-ARMORED-RECOVERY-VEHICLE-1-35-_a83332300_10374.aspx?fm=0)
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Someone kit bashed one of those in 1/56 and posted photos on the old Warlord site . Unfortunetly all the old threads are gone since the hack and reboot of their community site , and I didn't save any pictures ::) I wonder if you could find /35 scale drawings /plans and scale them down . Maybe the Panzerserra Bunker site , he tends to like to built his own conversions rather than use commercial stuff
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I know that Italeri makes a kit in 1:35 scale.
https://www.italeri.com/scheda.asp?idProdotto=2643
(https://www.italeri.com/imgup/6547_tavola-LR.jpg)
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Yes its been around since the 70s , I bought one for parts from Squadron Shop from their mail order catalogue ( remember those ? ) for about $7 back in the day . According to those in the know on Armorama and Missing Lynx ,it's a mix of post and WW2 features , but I thought it looked cool back then, didn't know ant better , and didn't care . ( I sometimes miss those simpler times ) . Asuka have released both a WW2 version and IRC a 50s Korean version in the last year or so , awesome correct detail , for a corresponding awesome price ( $85 ? )
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I was unaware of the Asuka kit.
For the last few years I have only been interested in 1:56 model kits for obvious reasons
Speaking of M4 Sherman plastic model kits, do you remember your first M4 Sherman model kit? Even though it was a very long time ago, I still remember the event well. My very first M4 Sherman model kit was an Airfix model kit. It was not one of the boxed kits, but it was one of the bagged kits. The boxed kits were not available yet.
(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/5/7/9/181579-12155-pristine.jpg)
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I had a couple of those , probaly set me back a couple of weeks pocket money , all of about $1 lol
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I had a number of the bagged aircraft kits, but do not remember having any tanks.
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When it comes to model tanks, I think the M4 Sherman tank is one of the most common model kits around. It seems like every major model company offers a Sherman tank in one or more scales. And now we have almost a complete line from Rubicon Models!
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The Airfix Sherman was one of the first tank kits I bought. Along with their StuG and SdKfz 234. My friend and I would ride quite a long way to the toy shop that sold them. My friend and I didn't paint them - we only painted the wheels and machine guns black. Even then, I wondered if there was a better way of doing the tracks than the soft rubber band tracks (which didn't always fit properly and rotted if they got dusty).
Who remembers the excitement when the Matchbox armour kits appeared?
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Who remembers the excitement when the Matchbox armour kits appeared?
- The Matchbox kits were the second stage of the addiction for me (prior to finding out about assorted hard to get vehicles by equally hard to get manufacturers from far off places, Japan, Italy etc).
Still have fond memories of many of the kits - their Comet, Firefly & Wespe especially.
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The Matchbox tanks were great The pre colored plastic was awesome so you didn't have to paint . IRC one came in white , blue and orange ? :o
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I loved the Matchbox Wespe. And their Humber.
The Fujimi kits were a revelation too - like their SdKfz 222. Their figures were horrible though.
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Who remembers the excitement when the Matchbox armour kits appeared?
What made the early Matchbox kits stand out was that the kits came with plastic sprues in two different colors.
(https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/PK-71-U_3248612_Qty1_2.jpg)
(https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/PK-71-U_3248612_Qty1_1.jpg)
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Memories. The sweet shop at the other end of town to the model shop stocked them.
The Comet kit. I suspect the crater lasted longer than the tank. It did some duties for 15mm Laserburn back in the mid 'eighties.
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Your right , the bases lasted much longer than the tanks did . Some of the bases were very neat with palm trees or rubble piles , I would love to find a few today to really add some extra detail to . Anyone remember the vacu- form style bases Aurora had in there "1/48 " box scale ::) mid 60s tank kits ? Those were sometimes the best part of the kit . Teally liked thar damaged bridge one that came with the Centurian
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Getting back to the Sherman Dozer issue. I was thinking, why not just use a part from another kit. You know, one of those model kits of a heavy construction vehicle. What heavy construction vehicle kit would offer the best part to convert a Rubicon Sherman into a Sherman Dozer?
(http://www.davidpride.com/Israeli_Armor/images/IL_Armor_04_228.jpg)
(https://www.emodels.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/t/a/tam32565.jpg)
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Well , you could add the blade from the Komatsu , but its probably too narrow , the support arms are too short and the lift gear is wrong . Not an easy kit bash I'm afraid .
(https://s33.postimg.cc/fqcuhxz5n/3_4.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/fqcuhxz5n/)
You could go all out and scratch the blade and assembly out of plastic sheet and shapes , but it would be a lot of work . Always liked the look of this one , maybe someday , but I would get the Company B kit to use as a starting point to build on to
(https://s33.postimg.cc/kp0cwkxuj/post-78-1327951042.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/kp0cwkxuj/)
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Here's some pictures of various dozer parts
(https://s33.postimg.cc/l31ow3pmz/image.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/l31ow3pmz/)
(https://s33.postimg.cc/nx4u9k78r/image.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/nx4u9k78r/)
(https://s33.postimg.cc/qeglgtyuz/image.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/qeglgtyuz/)
(https://s33.postimg.cc/ozf0s45hn/image.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/ozf0s45hn/)
(https://s33.postimg.cc/ag7vqpk2j/image.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/ag7vqpk2j/)
(https://s33.postimg.cc/sj0yhxnmz/image.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/sj0yhxnmz/)
All info from TheShermanTank.com site ( article # 37 )
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I checked on the Hobbysearch site ( they show the plans, paint schemes and sprues of most model kits ) , the Komatsu is 75mm long, it's blade about 35 ( guesstimation ::) ) . The Sherman blade is 65mm wide . Really can't see a viable way to kit bash the Komatsu , arms and hydralics would have to be scratched as well . Not to mention your chopping up a $30 ( in Canada ) kit . With the Company B kit costing less than half , you could probably get 2 shipped for about that price . Not wanting to hinder anyone in a building project , but its IMO way too much work for something thats already available . Mind you the Company B kit will tax your skills with super glue and white metal , plus there's the additional things you might want to add ( control hydralic hose , guatd , etc ) If you do decide to bash the Komatsu , your a better man than I am .... ;D
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I have been tempted when I have seen it on the Great Escape Games stand at various shows.
So far I have forgotten to go back and buy it.
For reference: http://www.greatescapegames.co.uk/tanks-1/tanks-us/coyb-dozer.html (http://www.greatescapegames.co.uk/tanks-1/tanks-us/coyb-dozer.html)
Of course this would be a perfect small add on kit for Rubicon.
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Tired of waiting for the Rubicon Models' M4A1 model kit? You can do what H0ffmn did. That is, take one of the other Sherman kits that Rubicon Models offers and convert it into your own M4A1. H0ffmn did such a great job that its worth noting here in my M4 Medium tank thread. Learn more about how you can do this here:
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=759.0
Warning, some basic modelling skills are required.
(https://s33.postimg.cc/cqnaeyduj/20180911_174318.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/cqnaeyduj/)(http://)
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Thank you for your kind words, Tracks.
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Earlier in this thread I talked about scratch building a Sherman Dozer.
Well, this makes things so much easier!
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Here is the full link:
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=816.msg11171#msg11171
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I know the M4A3 and M4A1 76mm come with the late FDA cover (sharp nose) but I’m not certain it’s included in the M4 or M4 hybrid kits. I’m hoping that I’m mistaken because the hybrid was a late production vehicle and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen photos of them with the round cast FDA cover. Also the late hull in the M4 kit would require a late cover as well.
I’m fairly new here, perhaps Rubicon has addressed this? Will a resin FDA become available to purchase seperately?
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I think Rubicon did a mix and match list (what you need to build stuff including stuff not out of one box).
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Yes, I studied their breakdown but it makes no sense to take a sharp nose FDA from any of the kits that have them otherwise those kits become unusable. Basically, there is a shortage of sharp nose FDA, the only kit that could be a donor is the M4A2 76mm if you build it as a 75mm tank with the early hull and then take the late FDA for another kits.
EDIT: but if you build the M4A2 76mm as a 75mm, then you’ll still need to get a low bustle turret from another kit. It’s just too much trouble when all you need is a resin replacement for the missing FDA covers.
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I know the M4A3 and M4A1 76mm come with the late FDA cover (sharp nose) but I’m not certain it’s included in the M4 or M4 hybrid kits. I’m hoping that I’m mistaken because the hybrid was a late production vehicle and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen photos of them with the round cast FDA cover. Also the late hull in the M4 kit would require a late cover as well.
Considering the scope of the subject, I think Rubicon Models did a great job, but yes, not every little aspect and detail is covered in any one kit. Sometimes you have to mix and match, and in rare cases you might have to improvise.
I’m fairly new here, perhaps Rubicon has addressed this? Will a resin FDA become available to purchase seperately?
Maybe, but considering all the projects on their workbench, it wouldn't be anytime soon.
Basically, there is a shortage of sharp nose FDA, the only kit that could be a donor is the M4A2 76mm if you build it as a 75mm tank with the early hull and then take the late FDA for another kits.
Not a perfect solution, but one of the things people can do is take the part from the M4A3 kit and make a resin copy.
Yes, a lot of modellers that are gamers will tell you that this is easy to do, and I have done this with other plastic and metal parts. I wouldn't call the process easy though, but for sure very doable.
(http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/differential/differential1.JPG)