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Rubicon Models => Wish Lists => Topic started by: ultravanillasmurf on January 04, 2017, 06:11:51 pm
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Having combined AN Other's Sherman kit with Rubicon's stowage, these are some of my wish list items for a second Allied Stowage set:
Individual Sherman track pieces to be combined on the turret.
Three link spare track rack for the Sherman glacis
Tools, specifically those for Shermans including the big tension wrench thing.
Water bottles, individual and in groups.
Small arms ammo boxes.
British tanker helmets
Fire extinguishers
Tank and artillery rounds including the tubes.
Smoke mortar (external fitting)
Smoke dischargers (pair).
Spare track unit for M5 for rear of hull
Churchill track links (and the late model Churchill to go with it) again for use as add on armour
Replacement M5 grousers to replace moulded detail (also usable on the M5 derived tractor)
I am sure I have missed other useful stuff (I also would like a Panzerschreck box to go on a command tank, but that is for the German Stowage wish list).
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Great list. I would add:
- pressed metal ammo boxes (e.g. 6-pdr, 25-pdr), frequently welded to British tanks for extra stowage
- British pattern packs, individual and in groups
- infantry telephone
- pots & pans
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A previous wish list that might be relevant:
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=428.0
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A previous wish list that might be relevant:
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=428.0
Yes, I would actually prefer an 'all nations' set of ammo boxes and other containers.
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A previous wish list that might be relevant:
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=428.0
Yes, I would actually prefer an 'all nations' set of ammo boxes and other containers.
The metal ammo boxes seem popular on the Sherman photographs in my books, my plastickard-fu is weak and have not managed a good representation of them.
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While you can find HO scale freight boxes close enough to the right size , they really lack the distinctive pressed metal pattern of UK ammo boxes . I tend hide the ones I've used under a tarp or camo net , or pile other kit over them . At least the scale size looks right and fools the eye . Hopefully when we do get scale ammo boxes I can remove the fake and replace them
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I would add my vote to including pressed steel ammo cases. The were used extensively on vehicles for storage, and many have distinctive pressing.
In particular - British cases B166, B167, C225, and P59. These is also another ammo case style that appears on many vehicles - a long flat case, probably used as a toolbox - but I dont know the code for that style...
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B166 ammo case - for mortar ammo:
(https://s29.postimg.org/gq3ah4c2b/IMG_0007.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/gq3ah4c2b/)
I'm trying to find similarly clear pictures of the others.
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... is also another ammo case style that appears on many vehicles - a long flat case, probably used as a toolbox - but I dont know the code for that style...
Is it a Panzerschreck box?
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205195344
Has Brigadier Harvey's Sherman got welded up direct vision ports?
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Is it a Panzerschreck box?
Here is what I was thinking of - another style of British/Allied pressed steel case:
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-s-hc5VImWrM/WHurFQdZpUI/AAAAAAAAA3E/y2ZO4q4URjwdhlrWYPU3dvJx4ZXX9-vQgCLcB/s640/carrier.jpg)
Apologies for the poor picture - but it should be good enough to show that it has the recessed handles, and clip closures.
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Looks like one
(https://s24.postimg.org/eneik7tzl/pz319.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/eneik7tzl/)
I think the vision ports are welded up , pictures of working ports show a very crisp , sharp line around the port , this tank looks to have the edges covered over , welded or just dirt ?
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Is it a Panzerschreck box?
Here is what I was thinking of - another style of British/Allied pressed steel case:
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-s-hc5VImWrM/WHurFQdZpUI/AAAAAAAAA3E/y2ZO4q4URjwdhlrWYPU3dvJx4ZXX9-vQgCLcB/s640/carrier.jpg)
Apologies for the poor picture - but it should be good enough to show that it has the recessed handles, and clip closures.
That looks like two boxes. It should be possible to estimate the size from the photograph.
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Another view (so the "top" as fitted to the carriers):
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-X3lFkOdsOpk/WHu8F2ShvyI/AAAAAAAAA3c/a_r8vBQhZCgJrCMRgWUsQ_8XXDSWyPujwCLcB/s640/PAG_sherman.jpg)
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Those are weird and as you say one piece.
My guess is they are Bazooka shipping boxes. This is based on size and that Panzerschreck boxes were (probably) wood.
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Probably better on the wish list late model Churchill, but spare Churchill bogies would be useful. They were often carried on the rear deck.
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That's a C2351. It was used for 3.7 inch HAA gun ammo. Here's a photo of a survivor:
(https://s30.postimg.org/67guhkdm5/C2351.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/67guhkdm5/)
There's not a lot available on British pressed steel boxes, but there was a bewildering range of them, several of which were popular additions to AFVs.
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Brilliant.
Thanks, all of you, for the input. Appreciated.:D
So Rubicon, please add the C2351 to the list of pressed steel cases in the next stowage set.... ;D
And that it is a 3.7 inch AA ammo case makes sense. Both of the images I posted show South African 6th Armoured Div vehicles, and - there was a battery of two of 3.7 guns in the division, which had been trained – and were deployed in – the anti-tank and field artillery role, so would have been involved enough for their discarded ammo cases to find their way onto other A-echelon unit vehicles ...
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Well done Pinky.
There is something called the British Ordinance Collectors Network (they have a forum) which might be of use for research purposes.
More common boxes would be most useful, but there is always Rubicon's possible resin option for more exotica.
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Spare boogies only carried on Churchill AVRE during first days of the invasion , no gun tanks had them fitted . There was a discussion about this a week or so ago on Missing Lynx
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More common boxes would be most useful, but there is always Rubicon's possible resin option for more exotica.
Maybe we should create our own guide here.
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Spare boogies only carried on Churchill AVRE during first days of the invasion ...
Joys of autocorrect...
I had not spotted that, thanks.
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Here is an image (produced by a resin accessory manufacturer) of some of the more common British ammo boxes:
(https://s28.postimg.org/bnz1ybrqx/ammo_boxes.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/bnz1ybrqx/)
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Having spent happy second slicing up the four large MG ammo boxes for the turret basket of my Churchill, these would be so much better.
Not sure what the boxes on the basket should be, but they are bigger than the 0.50" boxes I have used. Plus the two boxes that fit on the rear vertical face.
British Tanks in Normandy states the rear fuel tank is a Mk IV feature (the mounting points are moulded on the Churchill). I have a spare from the Crusader, but was it used on other vehicles?
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I'll have a look at 'Mr Churchill's Tank' and let you know.
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Rear fuel tank was mounted on early Churchill I - III , probably a inter war idea , what trooper in his right mind would want gas in an unarmored can sitting above his hot exhaust and engine deck ? Also seen on various Vickers light tanks and Valentines ( mounted on fenders ) , the Crusader , and there are pictures of Canadian Lees training in the UK 1943 ( ?) with fuel tanks mounted in place of one the rear stowage bins . Also early Stuart M3 had them in both US and UK service . The Russians had them all over the place but they were using diesel , not as flammable . There really are a lot of Brit ammo boxes , the ones you see the most seem to be the 25 pounder brass shell box ( the one in the above picture with 8 circles ) and the 2 inch smoke mortar round box . All metal , air / water tight with a rubber gasket . You can find the mortar box on US Shermans as they had the mortar installed and were issued the ammo. There are a few resin companies making boxes in 1/48 and 1/35 but nothing in 1/56 yet . I just raided my model railroad parts box for boxes of what I think are the appropriate size , if / when we get some in 1/56 I'll replace them . I keep hoping Company B or S&S add some to their product lines . With the amount of new Allied kits being proposed and released you would think this would be a great seller , of course mastering the actual boxes might be real difficult in this scale
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Thanks.
The problem with cast metal boxes is they make the model top heavy (not aproblem with the Sherman V as that is heavy).
I have noticed Empress doing more detail in their resin (some kits have parts in resin previously in metal) and Die Waffenkammer do theirs in their odd and paint resistant resin.
Plastic would be nice.
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British Tanks in Normandy states the rear fuel tank is a Mk IV feature (the mounting points are moulded on the Churchill). I have a spare from the Crusader, but was it used on other vehicles?
The auxiliary fuel tank appeared on the Mk III and Mk IV. It seems to have been removed after Tunisia - there are photos of Mk IVs with the fittings but no fuel tank.
Auxiliary fuel tanks could be jettisoned if necessary. According to David Fletcher, experienced crews filled them with water rather than fuel. However, they don't seem to have been a serious fire risk.
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Thanks.
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