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Title: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/7 & 251/2 TS1 Painted 170110
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 15, 2015, 12:11:59 pm
It is not a Hetzer or King Tiger... at least not yet!   ;D

This is the SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C, a follow-up kit of the 251 family for early and mid war gamers.

The base kit include:
- a two sprue plastic kit
- come with MG34 and MG42 machine guns
- come with fully closed or half open canvas top
- rear exit door can be assembled in open or closed position

With the release of this new kit, we will be releasing Expansion Kits that are compatible with either the SdKfz 251 Ausf C/D.

251/1 with sPzB 41 - C & D
251/1 Stuka zu Fuss - D only - released
251/2 Mortar Carrier - C & D
251/3 Communications - C & D
251/7 Assault Engineer I - C & D - released
251/7 Assault Engineer II - C & D
251/8 Ambulance - C & D - released
251/9 Stummel - C & D
251/9 with Kanone 51 - D only
251/10 with 3.7cm PaK 36 - C & D - released
251/16 Flammpanzerwagen - C & D
251/22 with 7.5cm PaK 40 L/46 - D only

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB01%20SdKfz%20251-1C%20Front_zpsr0bsi2gd.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB02%20SdKfz%20251-1C%20Rear_zpsft5auhyc.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB03%20SdKfz%20251-2C%20Mortar_zpsxclp0txy.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB04%20SdKfz%20251-3C%20Communications_zpswmgjdvs8.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB05%20SdKfz%20251-7C%20Engineer_zpss64uar0b.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB06%20SdKfz%20251-9C%20Stummel_zpsquk7tcro.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB07%20SdKfz%20251-9C%20Kanone_zps4yrecdxo.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB08%20SdKfz%20251-16C_zpsvatkhv5i.jpg)



Enjoy!
Title: Re: German Armoured Vehicle - RESERVED...
Post by: Pinky on July 16, 2015, 12:32:18 pm
A Hetzer?
Title: Re: German Armoured Vehicle - RESERVED...
Post by: Yaquir on July 16, 2015, 02:41:48 pm
A Maus? Or it rather looks  like a P1000 Ratte...
Title: Re: German Armoured Vehicle - RESERVED...
Post by: elias.tibbs on July 16, 2015, 04:48:23 pm
Confirmation of the 250 alte?

Or something like an 8rad?
Title: Re: German Armoured Vehicle - RESERVED...
Post by: sam034 on July 18, 2015, 06:13:47 am
maybe a king tiger? there was a poll about them a while ago
Title: Re: German Armoured Vehicle - RESERVED...
Post by: Bruno_015 on July 20, 2015, 01:18:21 am
maybe a king tiger? there was a poll about them a while ago
Yeah, I hope so. I would love a KT but, I don't think it would be a good decision for Rubicon, as probably not many people would buy it, but I would be one .
Title: Re: German Armoured Vehicle - RESERVED...
Post by: elcee on July 20, 2015, 09:11:22 pm
I would second the hetzer or something on the pz 38(t). we saw some parts of te underside of the hull a while back.
Title: Re: German Armoured Vehicle - RESERVED...
Post by: elias.tibbs on July 21, 2015, 04:42:10 am
I would second the hetzer or something on the pz 38(t). we saw some parts of te underside of the hull a while back.

Very good point!
Title: Re: German Armoured Vehicle - RESERVED...
Post by: ripley on July 21, 2015, 08:00:01 am
Hetzer or a Marder III maybe . As a modeler I would love a Tiger II , both Porsche and Henschel  turrets and maybe even a Jadg T. But as a gamer ,ouch , these cats cost you  big points, 550 - 650   . Can't see too many being set out on the board . Although if we had a 8 x 12 foot table ... and  maybe 3000 point armies ... I could use a couple as road blocks  ;D My big cats always seem to break down or run out of fuel , think I need to get some luckier dice
Title: Re: German Armoured Vehicle - RESERVED...
Post by: Pinky on July 21, 2015, 08:58:22 am
I thought it'd be a Hetzer because if the mystery drawing earlier.  I'm not hugely keen on a Hetzer, simply because they're not very interesting to look at (I'd prefer a Marder).  But it's probably useful for gaming purposes.  Presumably Rubicon would include the flamethrower version.
Title: Re: German Armoured Vehicle - RESERVED...
Post by: elcee on July 22, 2015, 12:30:05 am
I love the hetzer, but whatever it is i might buy it anyway, as long as it is mid to late war. Im addicted to plastic kits....(and i hate working with resin).
I'm not quite sure how a 38(t) would sell, but marders (+grille) should be quite popular. Same for the hetzer, but this would be another kit. there are some kits that could use the hetzers hull, but those were not produced en masse. (stummel, etc.)
Title: Re: German Armoured Vehicle - RESERVED...
Post by: bull-nut on July 22, 2015, 06:00:19 am
My big cats always seem to break down or run out of fuel , think I need to get some luckier dice

quite a common accurance IRL from what I can gather, maybe you should stick with PzIV?
Title: Re: German Armoured Vehicle - RESERVED...
Post by: Pinky on July 22, 2015, 08:32:58 pm
I love the hetzer, but whatever it is i might buy it anyway, as long as it is mid to late war. Im addicted to plastic kits....(and i hate working with resin).

I share that addiction...and your dislike of resin.

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there are some kits that could use the hetzers hull, but those were not produced en masse. (stummel, etc.)

The Hetzer shared very little with the Pzr 38T, and the only variant (apart from the flamethrower version) was the Bergepanzerwagen 38.
Title: Re: German Armoured Vehicle - RESERVED...
Post by: elcee on July 23, 2015, 05:41:30 am
The Hetzer shared very little with the Pzr 38T, and the only variant (apart from the flamethrower version) was the Bergepanzerwagen 38.
While the differences between the pz38(t) and the hetzer are true, there were more variants that were build of the later.
15cm sIG 33/2 auf jagdpanzer 38 - 30 built or converted very late in the war
Aufklärungspanzer 38 - different armament ( 7,5cm K-51 & 2cm Flak 38) were "in testing" at the end of the war, though some might have been in frontline use.

Im looking foreward to the 251 kits, even though its not a real surprise with the prototypes alreadyshown (for the "D"). Well this year is going to be expensive. *sigh*
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Pinky on July 23, 2015, 09:03:05 am
Cool - a Rubicon SdKfz 251 Ausf C.  Hopefully with the correct (leather) seats, unlike Warlord's.  Good to see you've also omitted the rivets - only a few Ausf Cs were riveted.

The Engineer variant looks great.  Will it have new parts?  I like the "Flivo" too - especially the extendable antenna.  That would make a great diorama subject.  And the "Stummel" - one of my favourite variants.

A production version of the Kanone 51 on an Ausf C?  We went through this before.  The Ausf C was out of production by the time this mounting for the L/24 was introduced.  As your list indicates, it should be D only.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 23, 2015, 01:03:51 pm
Cool - a Rubicon SdKfz 251 Ausf C.  Hopefully with the correct (leather) seats, unlike Warlord's.  Good to see you've also omitted the rivets - only a few Ausf Cs were riveted.
Since the interior of the Ausf C and D are very close.  It is sometimes very confusing with historical photo regarding the seats - leather vs wood bench.  We know they were leather to start with, but later switched to wood bench (probably to save resources) that was carried forward to the Ausf D production.  Is this correct?

The Engineer variant looks great.  Will it have new parts?  I like the "Flivo" too - especially the extendable antenna.  That would make a great diorama subject.  And the "Stummel" - one of my favourite variants.
All parts in the Engineer variant (251/7) are of a new design - the bridges, wood planks and support.  We've also included a sPzB 41 (with wheels for offloaded use) with the kit.  Even though taking up a lot of sprue space, we have decided to include two upper hull pieces (Ausf C & D) with the Stummel kit; it will be a pity not to!

A production version of the Kanone 51 on an Ausf C?  We went through this before.  The Ausf C was out of production by the time this mounting for the L/24 was introduced.  As your list indicates, it should be D only.
The modular Kanone 51 is basically sitting on top of the vehicle; therefore it is not our concern regarding placing it on an Ausf C or D.  But historically, it should be D only.


Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Pinky on July 23, 2015, 11:36:11 pm
Since the interior of the Ausf C and D are very close.  It is sometimes very confusing with historical photo regarding the seats - leather vs wood bench.  We know they were leather to start with, but later switched to wood bench (probably to save resources) that was carried forward to the Ausf D production.  Is this correct?

According to the Osprey book on the SdKfz 251 and "Schutzenpanzer", by Uwe Feist, the wooden slat seats were introduced with the Ausf D, as part of the process of simplifying production.  They were far quicker and cheaper to manufacture than the combination of metal tubing, leather and horsehair required for the Ausf C's seats.  I'd suggest it makes sense to provide the leather seats with the Ausf C, as it's another feature that distinguishes it from the Ausf D.

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All parts in the Engineer variant (251/7) are of a new design - the bridges, wood planks and support.  We've also included a sPzB 41 (with wheels for offloaded use) with the kit.  Even though taking up a lot of sprue space, we have decided to include two upper hull pieces (Ausf C & D) with the Stummel kit; it will be a pity not to!

Excellent! 

Incidentally, I also really like the "Flivo" version you've done (Flivos were Luftwaffe forward air-control personnel) - the retractable antenna looks especially cool.  As I mentioned previously, the frame antenna was much more common on the Ausf C.  This version would make a very nice subject for a diorama.  Especially accompanied by some armoured cars (hint hint!).
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on August 15, 2015, 05:35:50 pm
After sorting out our Q3/15 new releases, we are now focusing on our Q4/15 projects once again!

Here are some prototype images of the SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB01%20251C%20Intro_zpsf3r8kttg.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB02%20251C%20Front_zpsxapdpfyv.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB03%20251C%20Rear_zpsaeaehgvu.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB04%20251C%20Open%20Door_zpselmpgpyd.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB05%20251C%20Close%20Canvas_zpsgkg9932f.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB06%20251C%20Half%20Open%20Canvas_zpsuqw3r6p3.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB07%20251C%20Seats_zpsrmezwqpp.jpg)

Enjoy!

Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Laffe on August 15, 2015, 08:58:44 pm
Kudos for making the doors open!  :D
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Pinky on August 15, 2015, 09:38:38 pm
Kudos for making the doors open!  :D

I was thinking the same thing - I love the attention to detail on the doors.

I really don't think the bench seats should be included, as I explained, but whatever...otherwise, everything is looking good.  Any chance you can squeeze some stowage onto the sprue?  Like spare jerrycans etc?   
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on August 15, 2015, 10:05:22 pm
I really don't think the bench seats should be included, as I explained, but whatever...otherwise, everything is looking good.  Any chance you can squeeze some stowage onto the sprue?  Like spare jerrycans etc?   
Will try to, but we are more inclined to include a driver... (head, body, and arm with driving wheel).

Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on August 15, 2015, 10:33:11 pm
Just can't resist posting more bits on the SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C and its expansion kits (for both C & D)...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB08%20251-2_zps6abjbvze.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB09%20251-3A_zpsb1xgreus.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB10%20251-3B_zpss9wj6n3u.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB11%20251-3C_zpshouk09r6.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB12%20251-7A_zpsxdgxk9n3.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB13%20251-7B_zpsppexzctr.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB15%20251-9B_zpshjkigndc.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB14%20251-9A_zpsovs2mxvs.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB16%20251-9C_zpsrlv0c4zf.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB17%20251-16A_zpsxtafphhc.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB18%20251-16B_zps0bky18as.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB19%20251-16C_zpswpildfy7.jpg)

Enjoy!

Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Pinky on August 16, 2015, 01:14:27 pm
I guess including a driver is a better idea.

Really liking all the extra detail in your expansion kits.  A few minor points/requests:

- the ammo stowage replaced the rear seats in the /2, and in the /7 the rear seats were replaced with engineer equipment.  You seem to have already done some separate rear seats for the /9 version.  Wouldn't it be a good idea to provide an optional set of forward seats as well, so people don't have to chop up the standard seats in order to install the ammo etc?
- I know it's being greedy, but any chance of a bit more radio equipment in the /3?  It would look good if the rest of that right hand seat was covered. 
- Again, it's being greedy (because your /7 already looks great), but any chance of some engineer equipment as well?  It'd just be some boxes etc. stowed on the floor.
- The detail for the /16 is really impressive.  However, the hand-held flamer was not included on the Ausf D version.
- Love the fact that you've done a new hull top for both "Stummel" types!

Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on August 16, 2015, 01:40:05 pm
I guess including a driver is a better idea.
That's what we think too!  We are also looking into additional plastic crews to man the guns... this will delay the release but think is worthwhile!


- the ammo stowage replaced the rear seats in the /2, and in the /7 the rear seats were replaced with engineer equipment.  You seem to have already done some separate rear seats for the /9 version.  Wouldn't it be a good idea to provide an optional set of forward seats as well, so people don't have to chop up the standard seats in order to install the ammo etc?
The /2 did not have the rear seats replaced.  The Germans simply put a rack on top.  We have photo and 1/35 models to confirm this.  The /7 additional details will depends on sprue space.  We are trying to use the /7 and /2 as space filler to go with other variants as "2-in-1" or "3-in-1" kit.


- I know it's being greedy, but any chance of a bit more radio equipment in the /3?  It would look good if the rest of that right hand seat was covered. 
- Again, it's being greedy (because your /7 already looks great), but any chance of some engineer equipment as well?  It'd just be some boxes etc. stowed on the floor.
We saw historical photos with additional radio equipment on the right hand side front seats.  In most cases, with tables for maps, typewriter, and enigma machine.  Need to discuss with staff on this... as we have already moved onto another project!  This is the same with the /7.


- The detail for the /16 is really impressive.  However, the hand-held flamer was not included on the Ausf D version.
We can't confirm that, at least from our references... the handheld flamer on the Ausf D was there because it was already drawn, so we just left it there for the moment.  We are very proud with the /16 overall design; it is simple enough as an easy built, yet highly detailed and accurate!


Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Pinky on August 16, 2015, 02:22:37 pm
That's what we think too!  We are also looking into additional plastic crews to man the guns... this will delay the release but think is worthwhile!

Definitely - especially if the crew look as good as the digitally sculpted Russian driver you showed us recently!

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The /2 did not have the rear seats replaced.  The Germans simply put a rack on top.  We have photo and 1/35 models to confirm this.  The /7 additional details will depends on sprue space.  We are trying to use the /7 and /2 as space filler to go with other variants as "2-in-1" or "3-in-1" kit.

Some sources show the right hand side rear seat on the /2 replaced with an ammo rack (not both - sorry, should have checked that).  This is how its done on the Dragon kit.  According to Culver and Feists' book, both of the forward seats were removed and remarked with ammo stowage (which makes sense, as you'd think that the seats would interfere with the mortar), but this may have just been the early version.  I can see it's not worth the extra work - it's going to be pretty easy to convert with the components you're going to provide. 

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We saw historical photos with additional radio equipment on the right hand side front seats.  In most cases, with tables for maps, typewriter, and enigma machine.  Need to discuss with staff on this... as we have already moved onto another project!  This is the same with the /7.

Fair enough.  The /3 and /7 already look good.

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We can't confirm that, at least from our references... the handheld flamer on the Ausf D was there because it was already drawn, so we just left it there for the moment.  We are very proud with the /16 overall design; it is simple enough as an easy built, yet highly detailed and accurate!

There doesn't seem to be any uncertainty, and there are no photos of Ausf Ds with the handheld flamethrower storage.

How are you planning to release the expansion sets?  Will they come out as a set of extra sprues, or as a full kit?
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on August 16, 2015, 02:32:14 pm
How are you planning to release the expansion sets?  Will they come out as a set of extra sprues, or as a full kit?
No final decision yet!  Since we are going to release the Ausf C more or less the same time with the expansion kits, there is no reason to bundle them together... One way is to package everything separate and let the customers choose between an expansion kit with either Ausf C or D; or create multiple packages, which we think is a waste of resources.  Setting the retail price will be one of the crucial factors on how we are going to package them!

Comments?
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Pinky on August 16, 2015, 06:41:24 pm
I think you might be better off selling these upgrades as a complete kit, rather than as separate sprues.  That way, people can build a vehicle straight from the box (I have a feeling that people might be less likely to buy a set that doesn't include the actual vehicle).  Then, when they see all the other cool stuff on the sprues, they'll buy more basic vehicles to build the other variants.  But I don't know if that works from a business perspective. 

If you took this approach, it could work something like this:

- a 3-in-1 set for the Ausf C, which includes the basic vehicle.  This would include the 'Ausf C only' versions (although you'd make it clear on the box that these parts are also suitable for the Ausf D).  Perhaps it could include the /3, the /7 and the /9 "Stummel", since that would probably fill a sprue (especially as it would include an optional upper hull).  I think including the /3 and the "Stummel" will make this a very attractive kit - having either version in the box art would (I think) help sell the kit.

- a second 3-in-1 set for the Ausf D, which might include the /2, the /9 and the /22.  Presumably if this includes the early version of the /9 (again, with an optional upper hull), it would easily fill a sprue.  Maybe market this with the /22 version in the box art, since it's visually striking.   

- sell the /16 as a separate kit, as you have with the Stuka zu Fuss.  Maybe market it as an Ausf C, since Warlord have already put out the Ausf D version (but mention on the box that it's suitable for the Ausf D as well).  As you've mentioned, it could be a popular vehicle with gamers, and yours is going to be better than Warlord's.

Just some suggestions.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: ripley on August 17, 2015, 12:46:51 am
I personally would like these upgrade sets to be sold without the base vehicle . So a set for the 251 C and a set for the D . Being a modeler I would rather have the extra bits to up grade or kit bash vehicles both plastic and resin, already in my collection . I have a plastic Puma on hold waiting for your 251/9 D upgrade to turn it into a 234/3 . I really don't need more base kits , I have four 251s now . But if you only release them with the base vehicle I'm sure I can find gamers who I could work out a deal with  :)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Shark in Exile on August 17, 2015, 12:51:39 am
I like the idea of both the complete upgrade kits including the vehicle and the upgrade spures sold separately to convert other kits from Warlord or the option to purchase other standard vehicles etc.
In my opinion would increase sales from those who wanted to convert other companies vehicles.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on August 17, 2015, 01:25:15 am
Thanks for all the input.  Cost sharing is an issue that we need to resolve.  Unlike the Ausf D, the Ausf C is a new kit; other companies had already saturated the market with this variant.  The Ausf C with Expansion Kit bundles will open up that market for us, an important point to consider.  We also have to look at how customers will field their army when playing their games.  Vehicle composition will then become a factor as well.

As a small design studio, our overheads are relatively low; and being able to supplemented income by other OEM jobs, we are quite flexible financially.  Still we needed to make enough money to fund future projects.  Fortunately. we still have a few months to figure this out!  Will explore more as we progress!

BTW, when we designed our plastic kits (in this case, the Ausf C & D), we are using real-life technical data to build our kits; that is, exact scale in terms of angles and measurements (of course, thickness of the armour is not possible). There are possibly some measurement differences between our plastic against a resin kit.  Even when compared with other plastic kits, we do see different assembly approach making conversion a challenging issue.

Even though the Ausf C & D are both designed by our studio <and> basically the same in size and spec, there are technical issues that we needed to resolve to make these expansion kits compatible by sacrificing minor accuracy to our design.


Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Pinky on August 17, 2015, 10:10:58 am
Thanks for all the input.  Cost sharing is an issue that we need to resolve.  Unlike the Ausf D, the Ausf C is a new kit; other companies had already saturated the market with this variant.  The Ausf C with Expansion Kit bundles will open up that market for us, an important point to consider.  We also have to look at how customers will field their army when playing their games.  Vehicle composition will then become a factor as well.

I guess it'd be worth doing some research on typical BA army lists, to see which SdKfz 251 variants are the most common.  Then maybe ensure that each upgrade sprue includes at least one very popular variant, and focus on this in terms of box art etc.  I thought about that when I suggested the combinations above, but it was all very impressionistic!  I was also thinking about what "pure" modellers might want, although I think all of the variants you're planning have a lot of appeal to modellers.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: ripley on August 17, 2015, 10:35:33 am
BA Army lists , yes I guess you should check and  see what's popular and  what the points cost of each variant  is, as  most gamers at the LHS only use 2 or 3 vehicles per game . There's a tourney coming up in late September, my first time playing  - 500 points . I'm told if  I want to use my Tiger and a squad of troops  , the Tiger has to have run out of fuel and has  no ammo to make 499 points  ::) So I'll be playing with 10 men and a 57  ton road block . Some how I think I'm having my leg pulled
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on September 17, 2015, 10:27:16 pm
Just as our Q3/15 new releases had been shipped from the warehouse, spotted these digital test sculpts for the upcoming 251 Expansion Kits.

We are using Perry plastics as a key references in terms of proportion, and the WL plastic for size comparison.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Digital%20Sculpt/German%20Crew%20150917-1_zps20sntqho.jpg)

Can't wait for the 3D prototypes, any comments?

;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: moiterei_1984 on September 18, 2015, 01:32:35 am
Quite nice but the helmet looks wrong somehow. The brim looks as if it's too steep at the front (don't know the correct english term but if it was a baseball cap it would be called the visor) and the chin strap is wrong:

(http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/567833-6/M42SS)

And it looks like the ventilation hole isn't positioned correctly.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Bruno_015 on September 18, 2015, 01:57:32 am
Just as our Q3/15 new releases had been shipped from the warehouse, spotted these digital test sculpts for the upcoming 251 Expansion Kits.

We are using Perry plastics as a key references in terms of proportion, and the WL plastic for size comparison.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Digital%20Sculpt/German%20Crew%20150917-1_zps20sntqho.jpg)

Can't wait for the 3D prototypes, any comments?

;)

Good to see you working on the crews, but I would suggest more dynamic poses and maybe several options for arms, holding/doing different things.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Pinky on September 18, 2015, 09:03:44 am
I don't mind the relatively static pose, although perhaps it could be slightly less 'at attention'.  The helmet definitely needs revising.  In terms of proportions it looks more like a Warlord figure than a Perry figure.

Great to see some figures.  How many so you plan to include on these upgrade sprues?
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on September 18, 2015, 09:04:56 am
This is an initial test sculpt to use for setting a standard on size and style... not for historical accuracy yet, just basic references.

For example, the helmet is basically a digital copy of an existing helmet (in terms of size) from an existing manufacturer,  it is used to for size comparison with other manufacturers. Also, many details are wrong at the moment, but that's not the point for the whole exercise.  These sculpts and will be corrected. fine-tuned and reposed later.

;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on September 19, 2015, 04:11:40 pm
There is a lot of preparation work before we started a digital sculpt...

- define the period
- research the uniform
- choose a logical & dynamic pose
- inspect the environment

We then put all these into a setting to show our digital sculptor what we are expecting from him/her...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Digital%20Sculpt/German%20Crew%20150919-1_zpsezaxbs8v.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Digital%20Sculpt/German%20Crew%20150919-2_zps0mecpx5r.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Digital%20Sculpt/German%20Crew%20150919-3_zps2ct67aao.jpg)


This is just step one...
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: elias.tibbs on September 19, 2015, 05:15:17 pm
This is going to take your models up a notch in levels of quality. I'm really liking the look of these.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Laffe on September 19, 2015, 08:02:47 pm
If you are doing late war crew, the big differences are no pleated pockets, gaiters and peaked caps (if no helmets).

Early war High boots, pleated pockets, gas cape pouch on chest and no peaked caps.

Equipment stayed basically the same throughout the war.

Mid war (1942-1943) could be a mix of the above except that the gas cape was usually not worn on the chest anymore.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on September 22, 2015, 07:22:08 pm
Here is an updated sPzB 41 with new Ammo Box:

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB%20SdKfz%20251-7D%20AT%20Gun%20150922-1_zps2xuoa215.jpg)


Enjoy!
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on September 30, 2015, 11:52:25 pm
Before our trip to Germany for Spiel 15, we are still working hard on our digital sculpts.  Here are some of the progress...

3D prototype compared with our original test sculpt
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Digital%20Sculpt/German%20Crew%20150930-1_zpspkd0zzsc.jpg)

3D prototype placed besides a Perry Miniatures DAK sprue
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Digital%20Sculpt/German%20Crew%20150930-2_zpszkadby4o.jpg)


Additional work being done with the test sculpts, now on a SdKfz 251/3...
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Digital%20Sculpt/251-3%20Crew%20150928-1_zpshrab4fna.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Digital%20Sculpt/251-3%20Crew%20150928-2_zpswcuaqzoa.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Digital%20Sculpt/251-3%20Crew%20150928-3_zpsigroxo2u.jpg)


C&C welcome!
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Pinky on October 01, 2015, 12:21:23 am
You seem to be getting the hang of sculpting crew.  The 3D prototypes look very good.

My only comment is to make sure that your final uniforms are appropriate for the variant they're intended for.  I know you're not focused on uniform detail yet, but the Ausf C was essentially a mid-war vehicle, so the crew wouldn't be in late war uniforms.  It'd also be nice if the /3 included an officer in a peaked cap.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Yaquir on October 01, 2015, 12:27:00 am
The radio-operators looks really, really good!
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 01, 2015, 12:57:06 am
We are still trying to work on a "standard body prototype" for the studio.  Once selected, we will use that for all future figures.  It is all about proportion, scale, and features on each miniature; which is very important to produce a consistent product range.

Will work on the historical aspect once this is done!  We are using the radio operators and later on, gun crews, as a test project.  Will post some more images later on!

;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: rijklau on October 01, 2015, 10:39:08 am
You seem to be getting the hang of sculpting crew.  The 3D prototypes look very good.

My only comment is to make sure that your final uniforms are appropriate for the variant they're intended for.  I know you're not focused on uniform detail yet, but the Ausf C was essentially a mid-war vehicle, so the crew wouldn't be in late war uniforms.  It'd also be nice if the /3 included an officer in a peaked cap.

Pardon me for an amateur joining the conversation, can an Ausf C survived mid-war and then used by a late war crew wearing late war uniform? :P

I can say for sure it is wrong if I saw a guy with field grey uniform and jack boots standing in an Afrika Korp vehicle in a hobby show. If Rubicon's model also include markings for Afrika, I would hope the crew would wear appropriate Afrika Korp uniform too. :)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Pinky on October 01, 2015, 10:39:21 am
We are still trying to work on a "standard body prototype" for the studio.  Once selected, we will use that for all future figures.

I think that makes a lot of sense.  It would be great if your crew figures had a consistent 'look' across all of your kits.  Of course, you've already put out a couple of kits with fairly rudimentary figures - presumably these figures might be replaced at some point?
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Pinky on October 01, 2015, 10:41:54 am
Pardon me for an amateur joining the conversation, can an Ausf C survived mid-war and then used by a late war crew wearing late war uniform?

Of course (although you won't see many photos of Ausf Cs by mid-1944, such was the attrition rate with SPWs).  But ideally a kit would provide the most appropriate figures, rather than more unusual combinations.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: ripley on October 01, 2015, 11:03:37 am
The figure look very good . I'm hoping you will release them as a separate kit so those of us who like crews in all our vehicles , by all manufacturers  , can fill hatches and seats .   :)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 01, 2015, 12:06:53 pm
The figure look very good . I'm hoping you will release them as a separate kit so those of us who like crews in all our vehicles , by all manufacturers  , can fill hatches and seats .   :)
Our plan is to field existing projects (if needed) with appropriate crews first.  Once done, we have plans to release a generic tank crew & passenger set for each country; will see how we progress...

Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Yaquir on October 01, 2015, 02:59:46 pm
Sounds good. I'm looking forward to this  :)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Laffe on October 01, 2015, 07:48:28 pm
Pardon me for an amateur joining the conversation, can an Ausf C survived mid-war and then used by a late war crew wearing late war uniform?

Of course (although you won't see many photos of Ausf Cs by mid-1944, such was the attrition rate with SPWs).  But ideally a kit would provide the most appropriate figures, rather than more unusual combinations.

Units usually handed over vehicles to other units when they withdrew for rest and reinforcements. When returning to combat they were outfitted with new vehicles. So the only time you see an earlier type late in the war is when a training or other behind the line unit with older equipment was thrown into combat, for instance a lot of strange stuff show up in the battle of Berlin.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: rijklau on October 01, 2015, 09:34:57 pm
But ideally a kit would provide the most appropriate figures, rather than more unusual combinations.

To me the current uniform looks comfortable in mid war scenario. I would say it's a M40/41 tunic (correct me if I am wrong), M40 trousers (straight legged design instead of the M43 tapered ankles),  gaiters and ankle boots which were common after 1941.

What I also like about this design is that if I paint it khaki/olive, I can easily pass them off as Afrika Korp.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: ripley on October 01, 2015, 10:02:53 pm
Personally , I'm not too worried about the uniforms of crews in vehicles .I needs be I can trim off or add pockets / collars etc . Ankle boots and gaiters can be made from jackboots by using liquid  green stuff .You can cover early uniforms  with green stuff to make late war camo smocks , just give me figures to work with . My attempts at making my own stink  :o
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 02, 2015, 11:52:20 pm
To some the SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C might not be an important Rubicon release, but this is going to be a base kit for all our SdKfz 251 series expansion kits.
You now have "the choice" to use either an Ausf C or an Ausf D to add our upcoming (and existing) variants to your gaming needs!

Special features on our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C kit:

- Highly detailed 2 sprue plastic kit
- Canvas top in close & half open position
- Choice of bench seats - Leather or Wood
- Rear exit door in open or close position
- Choice of MG34 or MG42 machine gun
- Optional MG magazine boxes
- Driver included with two head choices

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB-SdKfz-251C-TS1-151202-01_zpslrc6koou.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB-SdKfz-251C-TS1-151202-02_zpshtcilxel.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB-SdKfz-251C-TS1-151202-03_zpsqtbcobdd.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB-SdKfz-251C-TS1-151202-04_zpsgsvl6ba5.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB-SdKfz-251C-TS1-151202-05_zpsaz3pmjte.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB-SdKfz-251C-TS1-151202-06_zpsnvokscyx.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB-SdKfz-251C-TS1-151202-07_zpsbsdtcmfb.jpg)

Enjoy
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on December 03, 2015, 01:52:53 am
Looks good.

The rear doors are a good idea. The ammo boxes are good, some individual ones in the next stowage set would be useful.

I can see the helmeted head but not the other one.

Will you be doing gunners and passengers?
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 03, 2015, 02:31:16 am
Will you be doing gunners and passengers?

Those will be in a future figure box set later in 2016...  :-X
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Laffe on December 03, 2015, 02:46:44 am
I like the driver, and I like that we get some ammo boxes for the stowage racks. They always look so empty on other kits. Good idea to include to sets of doors.

AFAIK it looks correct too
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Pinky on December 03, 2015, 08:49:10 am
I'm looking forward to this more for the variants, like the command version and Stummel.  I think it's otherwise a bit less exciting because Warlord already have one out.  But this will be a much better kit.

We had the discussion before, but the wooden seats post-dated the Ausf C (they were introduced after the Ausf D went into production).  So it's a case of providing an option that isn't necessary to either modellers or wargamers.  I suspect it's too late, but would it be possible to use that sprue space for something more useful, like more stowage?
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Yaquir on December 03, 2015, 04:02:11 pm
A really good kii. I have 3 warlords, but this looks much better!
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: stevepalffy on December 04, 2015, 03:33:56 pm
Really looking forwards to 251/3...more comand vehicles...Yeah !
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 07, 2015, 04:06:18 pm
Painting in progress... A sneak preview of our painted TS1 plastic SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB%20SdKfz%20251C%20TS1%20Painted%20151207-00_zpshdwlk2q7.jpg)

Will post full preview soon!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: stevepalffy on December 07, 2015, 06:51:18 pm
Nice...I can always use another 251 !
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 08, 2015, 11:35:36 am
This is the painted TS1 plastic preview of our version of the SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C.
Together with our existing SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D (280018), these will be the base kits for our upcoming 251 Series Expansion Kits in 2016!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB%20SdKfz%20251C%20TS1%20Painted%20151207-00_zps8kals6lh.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB%20SdKfz%20251C%20TS1%20Painted%20151207-01_zps8tcuwzc0.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB%20SdKfz%20251C%20TS1%20Painted%20151207-02_zpsztwo8jvn.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB%20SdKfz%20251C%20TS1%20Painted%20151207-03_zpsmisyo5ol.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB%20SdKfz%20251C%20TS1%20Painted%20151207-04_zpsji5jeztf.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB%20SdKfz%20251C%20TS1%20Painted%20151207-05_zpsvatgf61n.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB%20SdKfz%20251C%20TS1%20Painted%20151207-06_zpsy9g2l9y8.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB%20SdKfz%20251C%20TS1%20Painted%20151207-07_zpseyyqn6nr.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB%20SdKfz%20251C%20TS1%20Painted%20151207-08_zpshmh5lgja.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/FB%20SdKfz%20251C%20TS1%20Painted%20151207-09_zpsq7natdwm.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Pinky on December 09, 2015, 11:03:28 am
Looks great.  The additional interior detail is a nice touch. 
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Yaquir on December 09, 2015, 03:44:36 pm
The interior looks really good.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 09, 2015, 04:13:36 pm
Here is the latest update on the SdKfz 251/16 crew set.  We have redone the heads with a new face mask.  We will not release anything that is historically incorrect (at least up to our best knowledge), that's why some projects take a long time to finish.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz%20251-16CD%20150129-1_zps95uogeqs.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz%20251-16CD%20150129-2_zpszmvvub6g.jpg)

Comment?
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Bruno_015 on December 10, 2015, 02:54:13 am
Wow, they look awesome. Although  I would make them in a more fighting pose, like firing theflamethrowers.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 10, 2015, 10:32:04 am
Wow, they look awesome. Although  I would make them in a more fighting pose, like firing the flamethrowers.

You will be amazed how little space you have inside the chassis that you can "insert" figures into... with a reasonable good-looking pose!

The real vehicle had more "real" space, but with scaled models, there is a "thickness" issue with all the parts, making the vehicle more crammed looking.

:(
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Pinky on December 12, 2015, 12:12:34 pm
I like them - although they're certainly creepy looking.  The photos of this vehicle in action (although possibly only a training exercise) shows the crew looking relatively upright, much like these.  My question (and it is just a question) is whether troops wearing the hoods would be wearing their normal uniforms, or the special flameproof clothing that was issued.  I can't tell what the men in the photo are wearing.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 12, 2015, 12:25:25 pm
I like them - although they're certainly creepy looking.  The photos of this vehicle in action (although possibly only a training exercise) shows the crew looking relatively upright, much like these.  My question (and it is just a question) is whether troops wearing the hoods would be wearing their normal uniforms, or the special flameproof clothing that was issued.  I can't tell what the men in the photo are wearing.

There is only a handful of pictures available with the complete or partial fire proof outfit.  In the field, most crew will only use the hood and the mittens.  Because of the fire proof nature of the outfit, it is not easy to move around. Most crew would prefer to bailout fast in case of being hit than rather being burnt alive inside a fire-proof suit.  :D
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Pinky on December 12, 2015, 01:01:50 pm
Makes sense.  Any chance the heads could be interchangeable so they could just be normal Panzer troops?
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 12, 2015, 01:54:39 pm
Makes sense.  Any chance the heads could be interchangeable so they could just be normal Panzer troops?

An extra head with cap is included with each figure.
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 16, 2015, 12:44:21 pm
Work continues on the 251 expansion crews... this time SdKfz 251/22 crew set!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Digital%20Sculpt/FB-251-22-Crew-151216-1_zpsvz7lc5rq.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Digital%20Sculpt/FB-251-22-Crew-151216-2_zpsqetpl9oo.jpg)

Enjoy!
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Yaquir on December 16, 2015, 04:15:15 pm
Very nice models. Go on!  :)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on December 16, 2015, 08:47:39 pm
Very nice.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: ripley on December 16, 2015, 09:21:18 pm
Very dynamic action poses . As well as with the vehicle , I hope you release these in a crew / figure set . I can see conversions into a bailing out tank crew  , as well as dismounting tank riding infantry . Probably many more ideas once the figures actually appear on my hobby bench  :)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 16, 2015, 11:06:11 pm
This might explain their "odd-looking" dynamic poses!

Our figures are not just about tabletop wargaming!  Like all figure sculpts, there is ALWAYS a story to tell...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Digital%20Sculpt/FB-251-22-Crew-151216-4_zpsaiyk89oy.jpg)

;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Pinky on December 16, 2015, 11:55:06 pm
These look really good.  Nice work, Rubicon!
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits
Post by: Rubicon Models on April 11, 2016, 03:57:49 pm
Here is the preliminary design of the 280031 SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C decal sheet.

Basically is the same as the 251D version except for new licence plates and vehicle numbers.

>>> IF you have any comments on this decal sheet, please do so BEFORE Apr 15 (Thursday) before we send them to print!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Waterslide%20Decals/251C%20Decal%20160411-2_zps20awdmfk.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - Updated 160411
Post by: Yaquir on April 11, 2016, 04:46:19 pm
Very good.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - Updated 160411
Post by: Pinky on April 12, 2016, 09:51:34 am
The practice of putting tactical numbers on SdKfz 251s didn't really start until 1944, when the Ausf D had replaced the Ausf C, but I guess you need to fill up the decal sheet (and those numbers are bound to come in handy anyway).
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - Updated 160528
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 28, 2016, 01:45:36 pm
Just to let everyone know, we'd adjusted our Recommended Retail Price (RRP) for the
new SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C (280031) -AND- the existing SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D (280018)
to £15 (from £18). The price adjustment is to go inline with our various upcoming
SdKfz 250/251 Expansion Sets.

The single sprue "SdKfz 251/9 & SdKfz 250/8 Neu" expansion set is a good example
of VALUE and CHOICE!

Some retail channels might still have existing stock on the SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D, so
please help them out if you can! Appreciated!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20C/SdKfz%20251-9%20amp%20250-8%20Layout_zpsx30xp99g.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - Updated 160528
Post by: Pinky on May 28, 2016, 08:30:16 pm
So the expansion sprue will be packaged separately?
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - Updated 160528
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 28, 2016, 08:51:14 pm
So the expansion sprue will be packaged separately?

Yes, all individually packaged at an affordable RRP.
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - Updated 160528
Post by: Pinky on May 29, 2016, 08:33:07 am
That's great - I think it gives people more choice.

I see Warlord are releasing their own Stummel variant.  I think Rubicon's will be better - especially with the crew.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - Updated 160528
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 29, 2016, 11:06:29 am
I see Warlord are releasing their own Stummel variant.  I think Rubicon's will be better - especially with the crew.

Seems to be a single sprue add-on for the Ausf D with a crew.  The version Warlord is doing is a late 1944
variant, which means can't be used for any mid-war armies (from mid-42) onward.  The front pintle-mounted
MG42 should also be without the ammo magazine.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - Updated 160528
Post by: Pinky on May 29, 2016, 08:22:10 pm
I can't tell if they've provided all the interior parts to go with the weapon.  Their basic Ausf D is inferior to Rubicon's.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - Updated 160530
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 30, 2016, 11:18:49 pm
Here is our SdKfz 251/16 Flammpanzerwagen TS1 plastic sprue!
Still things to improve, but this is one step closer to release...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-16%20TS1%20160530-1_zpsr8rvub26.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-16%20TS1%20160530-2_zpsdpucryph.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-16%20TS1%20160530-3_zpseq9dgqof.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-16%20TS1%20160530-4_zpsf9tm6f0s.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-16%20TS1%20160530-5_zpsodkhs8mi.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - Updated 160530
Post by: ripley on May 31, 2016, 08:17:04 am
That's a nice looking set . Will you be including instructions on the placement of parts  to convert a vanilla  251 halftrack to a flame track ? Some buyers might need the information  .As well it might be better to include enough arms for all the included figures , 4 figures needing a total of 6 arms  ( I only count 3 ) , not all buyers will have a parts box full of extra arms . Nothing worse than picking up a detail set and finding you have no idea how it goes together and you can't use all the parts supplied because stuffs missing . Happens a lot in resin detail sets , really puts you off buying them .  I have no trouble with this set as it stands , but I have books on the 251 and boxes of BA figure bits , others might not .  :)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - Updated 160530
Post by: Pinky on May 31, 2016, 08:26:00 am
The detail looks very sharp.  And the figures look great too.

I see you're still including the hose on the back door of the Ausf D.  I thought we'd established that the separate flamethrower had been dropped by the time the Ausf D was in production.

Btw - it's "meticulously".
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - Updated 160530
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 31, 2016, 09:44:49 am
That's a nice looking set . Will you be including instructions on the placement of parts  to convert a vanilla  251 halftrack to a flame track ?

There will be an assembly instruction as usual, no worry!


As well it might be better to include enough arms for all the included figures , 4 figures needing a total of 6 arms  ( I only count 3 ) , not all buyers will have a parts box full of extra arms . Nothing worse than picking up a detail set and finding you have no idea how it goes together and you can't use all the parts supplied because stuffs missing . Happens a lot in resin detail sets , really puts you off buying them .  I have no trouble with this set as it stands , but I have books on the 251 and boxes of BA figure bits , others might not .  :)

We understand the issue.  We need 3 extra arms to have 4 full figures (total of 6 arms), tried
on the preliminary sprue layout and can only fit 4... might be able to squeeze the extra 2 arms
but might risk the quality of the mould injection.  Since this is our first time to do the new
plastic figures, studio staff decided not to risk.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - Updated 160530
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 31, 2016, 09:47:38 am
I see you're still including the hose on the back door of the Ausf D.  I thought we'd established that the separate flamethrower had been dropped by the time the Ausf D was in production.

Seems like an overlook (??), the original 251D rear door can still be used, so this is not an issue.
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - Updated 160530
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on May 31, 2016, 03:59:23 pm
Can you replace the 251D door with hose with the missing arms?

Just a thought.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - Updated 160530
Post by: Rubicon Models on May 31, 2016, 04:50:46 pm
Can you replace the 251D door with hose with the missing arms?

That's one proposal we are looking into.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - Updated 160530
Post by: ripley on June 01, 2016, 09:49:07 am
Nice to see your rethinking the placement of parts on the sprue  and including  instructions . You guys are awesome !
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - Updated 160530
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 02, 2016, 05:15:06 pm
Nice to see your rethinking the placement of parts on the sprue  and including  instructions . You guys are awesome !

Basically a very expensive mistake to correct the issue!   :(
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - Updated 160602
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 02, 2016, 05:16:57 pm
You guys are not missing out anything while our team is away...
TS1 of our SdKfz 251/22 Ausf D... semi assembled for test fitting!
...love the pink plastic!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/SdKfz%20251-22D%20TS1%20160602-1_zpsy2gvcf08.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - Updated 160602
Post by: ripley on June 02, 2016, 07:58:33 pm
That looks .... PINK !   :D Awesome
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - Updated 160602
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on June 02, 2016, 11:20:37 pm
That looks .... PINK !   :D Awesome

I agree with both statements ^___^.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - Updated 160602
Post by: Pinky on June 04, 2016, 10:51:13 am
Very impressive - especially the crew.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 251/22D TS1 Painted 160614
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 14, 2016, 07:40:17 pm
SdKfz 251/22 Ausf D Plastic TS1 Painted

Fitted with a 75mm PaK 40 anti-tank gun. Probably too big a gun for the carriage,
overloaded but effective! A single plastic sprue for our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D (280018)
base kit.

Do you know we have already lowered the 251/1D recommended retail price from
£18 to £15 in preparation for the upcoming expansion kit releases?

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-22D%20TS1%20Painted%20160614-01_zpsktl36axv.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-22D%20TS1%20Painted%20160614-02_zpsvggnedr1.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-22D%20TS1%20Painted%20160614-03_zpsznmxojt2.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-22D%20TS1%20Painted%20160614-04_zpsdxrfqppb.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-22D%20TS1%20Painted%20160614-05_zpsvgowjodp.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-22D%20TS1%20Painted%20160614-06_zpsmxvdhfwf.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-22D%20TS1%20Painted%20160614-07_zpsvxwhwfah.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-22D%20TS1%20Painted%20160614-08_zpsb5kb0ww4.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-22D%20TS1%20Painted%20160614-09_zpsb8blnwkd.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-22D%20TS1%20Painted%20160614-10_zps22pokbdq.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-22D%20TS1%20Painted%20160614-11_zps2krrwzfq.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-22D%20TS1%20Painted%20160614-12_zpsvtobfe9h.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-22D%20TS1%20Painted%20160614-13_zpsgeb0bqqb.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 251/22D TS1 Painted 160614
Post by: Pinky on June 14, 2016, 10:01:21 pm
The gun looks great.  You've really captured its lines.

This variant only had a bench seat on the left side, not both sides.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 251/22D TS1 Painted 160614
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 14, 2016, 10:34:00 pm
This variant only had a bench seat on the left side, not both sides.
Probably an overlook by Kent.  Will make necessary correction with the final sample.
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 251/22D TS1 Painted 160614
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on June 15, 2016, 12:46:02 am
Very good.

Now when you do the M3A3 Stuart, you have an option to put one of these on them for a Yugoslav tank destroyer.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 251/22D TS1 Painted 160614
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 15, 2016, 08:33:13 am
Now when you do the M3A3 Stuart, you have an option to put one of these on them for a Yugoslav tank destroyer.

Think WLG is doing a plastic M3 Stuart now...
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 251/22D TS1 Painted 160614
Post by: johan on June 15, 2016, 01:18:54 pm
WLG/Italeri's next one is indeed a m3 stuart , however there is a distinct difference between an early stuart like the m3a1 and the m3a3.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 251/22D TS1 Painted 160614
Post by: stevepalffy on June 16, 2016, 03:18:47 pm
Sdkfz 251/22 looks great ...Nice to have a Half track with teeth !

M3A3 would be great !

M3 Stuart honey coming from Warlord looks great ...
And going by the Sherman V/FIREFLY and Churchill should have some options ?
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 251/16 TS1 Painted 160621
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 21, 2016, 07:22:26 pm
SdKfz 251/16 Flammpanzerwagen - Fitted with two flame projectors and initially a rear mounted flamethrower, detachable but still connected to the vehicle, to be operated by dismounted infantry. A single plastic expansion sprue for either our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C (280031) or SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D (280018) base kit.

Do you know our 251/1C and 251/1D base kits are now officially priced at £15 in preparation for the upcoming expansion kit releases?


(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-16%20TS1P%20160621-01_zps4fbphjws.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-16%20TS1P%20160621-02_zpsv77m4a1n.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-16%20TS1P%20160621-03_zpsuvalzwzm.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-16%20TS1P%20160621-04_zpset4sitip.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-16%20TS1P%20160621-05_zpseegelqkt.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-16%20TS1P%20160621-06_zpsr0efwdhq.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-16%20TS1P%20160621-07_zpsrpmxwprb.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-16%20TS1P%20160621-08_zpspitkpypj.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-16%20TS1P%20160621-09_zpsnsjhppvv.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-16%20TS1P%20160621-10_zpstjwjka26.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-16%20TS1P%20160621-11_zpsi4glwsey.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-16%20TS1P%20160621-12_zpshkm8oqp4.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-16%20TS1P%20160621-13_zpsptdtxit7.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 251/9 TS1 160628
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 28, 2016, 07:01:20 pm
Just received a bunch of TS1s from our mould maker today!

This is the SdKfz 250/8 & 251/9 expansion sprue. Still a lot of work
to do before commercial run can begin... Will post other test sprues
shortly!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-8%20amp%20251-9%20160628-1_zpsa7ijvsfg.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-8%20amp%20251-9%20160628-2_zpsymk4ujv8.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-8%20amp%20251-9%20160628-3_zpsfk8dey2s.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-8%20amp%20251-9%20160628-4_zpsxmbpivdl.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 251/9 TS1 160628
Post by: Pinky on June 29, 2016, 11:52:24 am
One of my favourite variants of any German half-track!

I can see a lot of excellent detail in these parts.  Good idea having the figures on a separate sprue as well!
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 251/9 TS1 160628
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 29, 2016, 12:13:54 pm
I can see a lot of excellent detail in these parts.  Good idea having the figures on a separate sprue as well!
They won't fit on the sprues anyway... ;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 251/9 TS1 160629
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 29, 2016, 03:32:36 pm
GrW34 81mm Mortar Carrier for our SdKfz 250 & 251 series. Multiple solution for your
army collection on a single sprue... you get 2 vehicles plus a dismounted Mortar Squad
with 3 figures (not shown)!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-7%20amp%20251-2%20160628-1_zpsehn1fycg.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-7%20amp%20251-2%20160628-2_zpsmzbbd5ap.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-7%20amp%20251-2%20160628-4_zps4o4bi9pd.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-7%20amp%20251-2%20160628-3_zpsx52vztwd.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/11 TS1 160630
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 30, 2016, 12:05:07 pm
Another expansion set test sprue! This time a SdKfz 250/11 Alte with
sPzB-41 heavy AT rifle and a SdKfz 251/7. Alternatively, you can also
create a dismounted Heavy Rifle Team with 3 crew in Heer uniform.

The SdKfz 251/7 has a new bridge ramp which is different from our
previous 3-in-1 kit (280019) to customise your army even further!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-11%20amp%20251-7%20160628-1_zpsru3fpawh.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-11%20amp%20251-7%20160628-2_zpsntgdnocz.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-11%20amp%20251-7%20160628-3_zpsfbqy2txp.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-11%20amp%20251-7%20160628-4_zpsvgdbkh0h.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/11 TS1 160702
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 02, 2016, 12:58:54 pm
Yet another expansion sprue!  This time the SdKfz 250/3 & 251/3 - Standard Radio Vehicle...
...General Rommel included!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-3%20amp%20251-3%20160628-1_zps4qkeo6dz.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-3%20amp%20251-3%20160628-2_zpswbqdmls2.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-3%20amp%20251-3%20160628-3_zpstse0sijm.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-3%20amp%20251-3%20160628-4_zpslzqi5gkj.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/11 TS1 160702
Post by: Pinky on July 02, 2016, 09:14:42 pm
This one looks great.  Especially the radios and jerrycan racks.  And the figures!

You actually have more potential variants on this sprue.

I assume the large mast antenna on the sprue is intended to be the 8 metre extendable antenna.  When it comes to the SdKfz 250, the mast antenna wasn't fitted in addition to the frame antenna - there was just a 'normal' antenna.  The mast antenna replaced the frame antenna on later versions of the SdKfz 250/3 which were intended for the Luftwaffe liason role.

Also, apparently, Rommel's vehicle was an SdKfz 250/5 le. Beobachtungspanzerwagen and not an SdKfz 250/3.  The former had a rotating observer's seat behind the driver.  But sources vary.

The mast antenna was carried by the SdKfz 251/3, in addition to the frame antenna, when it was in the Luftwaffe liason role.  Not all versions of the SdKfz 251/3 carried it.  Of course, different versions of these communications vehicles carried different radios, but that's not going to bother most people.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/11 TS1 160702
Post by: Pinky on July 02, 2016, 11:31:27 pm
Also - the frame antenna was sometimes fitted to the SdKfz 253 - there is a famous (colour) photo of an Afrika Korps SdKfz 253 with a frame antenna (it's often misidentified as an SdKfz 251/3).  Another option!
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/11 TS1 160702
Post by: ripley on July 03, 2016, 10:59:30 am
This set and the one with the pioneer bridge are what I want . Just noticed a Sdkfz 251/7 C ( pioneer vehicle ) with a field conversion mounting the large frame antenna bolted onto the bridge support brackets . It's in the Squadron / Signal 251 book . I've had the book for years and never noticed it before  ::)  I wonder what other fantastic modelling subjects I've missed  :-[
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/11 TS1 160702
Post by: Pinky on July 03, 2016, 12:54:16 pm
I've discovered that the Afrika Korps fielded all kinds of modified half-tracks - especially for the command/observation role.  I'm guessing they found half-tracks the most effective in these roles as they had good cross-country capability and provided good visibility as they were open-topped.  There is scope for a huge number of conversions once these upgrade sets are released.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 251/9 TS1 Painted 160712
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 12, 2016, 12:10:59 pm
SdKfz 251/9 TS1 Plastic Painted...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/251-9D%20TS1%20Painted%20160711-01_zpsurcudqnq.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/251-9D%20TS1%20Painted%20160711-02_zpswva5pbmz.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/251-9D%20TS1%20Painted%20160711-03_zpssr3kqxgs.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/251-9D%20TS1%20Painted%20160711-04_zpso6cduvp7.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/251-9D%20TS1%20Painted%20160711-05_zpsknoy2rrv.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/251-9D%20TS1%20Painted%20160711-06_zpscllilvn8.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/251-9D%20TS1%20Painted%20160711-07_zpsw3pzksd1.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/251-9D%20TS1%20Painted%20160711-08_zpswozbybkq.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/251-9D%20TS1%20Painted%20160711-09_zps3vghqbjk.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/251-9D%20TS1%20Painted%20160711-10_zps3mzmrano.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/251-9D%20TS1%20Painted%20160711-11_zpslwj5j167.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/251-9D%20TS1%20Painted%20160711-12_zpslnpxzexc.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/251-9D%20TS1%20Painted%20160711-13_zpsv104wdpb.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/251-9D%20TS1%20Painted%20160711-14_zpspdi1ar4l.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/251-9D%20TS1%20Painted%20160711-15_zpsekwkbei6.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 251/9 TS1 Painted 160712
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on July 12, 2016, 02:43:01 pm
They look great.

For wording I might have gone for "highly detailed gun assembly and hull interior".
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 251/3 TS1 Painted 160718
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 18, 2016, 11:19:54 am


(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-3%20TS1%20160716-01_zpsgoy31i9v.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-3%20TS1%20160716-02_zpshgwwyivv.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-3%20TS1%20160716-03_zps8xurdkdf.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-3%20TS1%20160716-04_zpshajfv7qb.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-3%20TS1%20160716-05_zps6ma1c9vj.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-3%20TS1%20160716-06_zpstrqqjqsa.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-3%20TS1%20160716-07_zps2z0fmsgf.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-3%20TS1%20160716-08_zpsypbf63ps.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-3%20TS1%20160716-09_zpsnkxevzdd.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-3%20TS1%20160716-10_zpsiy9nstga.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-3%20TS1%20160716-11_zpsmg7qu8nq.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-3%20TS1%20160716-12_zps5n4x5itz.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-3%20TS1%20160716-13_zpse1gj7vwg.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20251-3%20TS1%20160716-14_zpsx5ych6wr.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 251/3 TS1 Painted 160718
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on July 18, 2016, 03:06:17 pm
Excellent.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 251/3 TS1 Painted 160718
Post by: Pinky on July 18, 2016, 07:34:21 pm
They both look terrific.  "Greif" is perfect.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, there are several options available with this kit, including fitting the frame antenna to the SdKfz 253.  It's worth mentioning them when you're marketing it - for example, explaining the purpose of the mast antenna.  It's a shame you didn't include parts for the late version of the SdKfz 251 Ausf D, which had a 'star' antenna (but not the extendable mast included in your kit).  The frame antenna was rare on the Ausf D (in fact I don't think the Ausf D was built in the factory with a frame antenna).
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 251/3 TS1 Painted 160718
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 19, 2016, 12:31:10 pm
there are several options available with this kit, including fitting the frame antenna to the SdKfz 253.

That's true, had overlook that in the description.


It's a shame you didn't include parts for the late version of the SdKfz 251 Ausf D, which had a 'star' antenna (but not the extendable mast included in your kit).

We have included parts in the sprue but not build an Ausf D version as a painted sample due to limited test sprues available.


The frame antenna was rare on the Ausf D (in fact I don't think the Ausf D was built in the factory with a frame antenna).

That's very true! ;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 251/3 TS1 Painted 160718
Post by: Pinky on July 19, 2016, 01:25:10 pm
We have included parts in the sprue but not build an Ausf D version as a painted sample due to limited test sprues available.

That's great - I couldn't see it on the sprue photos, but hoped it was there.  Really looking forward to this one!
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/9 & 251/23 TS1 160721
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 21, 2016, 03:17:26 pm
Over the past two months, we had been gradually showing you a series
of SdKfz 250/251 expansion sets, including:

1. SdKfz 250/1 Neu - base vehicle
2. SdKfz 250/3 & SdKfz 251/3 - standard radio vehicle
3. SdKfz 250/7 & SdKfz 251/2 - 81mm mortar carrier
4. SdKfz 250/8 & SdKfz 251/9 - with 7.5cm KwK37 L/24 Howitzer
5. SdKfz 250/11 & SdKfz 251/7 - with sPzB-41 Heavy AT Rifle
6. SdKfz 251/16 - Flammpanzerwagen
7. SdKfz 251/22D - with 7.5cm PaK40 AT Gun

Let us introduce to you the last of the expansion sets - SdKfz 250/9
& SdKfz 251/23D with 2cm KwK38 L/55 Autocannon...

We promised, we deliver (high quality but slowly)! ;)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/250-9%20amp%20251-23%20TS1-160717-01_zpsd5p3sdxu.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/250-9%20amp%20251-23%20TS1-160717-02_zpsvbklxl9h.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/250-9%20amp%20251-23%20TS1-160717-03_zpsmgyypqhu.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/250-9%20amp%20251-23%20TS1-160717-04_zpsck9f1k5r.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/250-9%20amp%20251-23%20TS1-160717-05_zps2mzez8dr.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/250-9%20amp%20251-23%20TS1-160717-06_zpssjskz2g9.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/250-9%20amp%20251-23%20TS1-160717-07_zpsgs5j0nfw.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/250-9%20amp%20251-23%20TS1-160717-08_zpskx2xhfep.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/9 & 251/23 TS1 160721
Post by: Pinky on July 21, 2016, 03:50:20 pm
Wow, you've made it a 3-in-1!  Nice idea combining the Alte and Neu SdKfz 250/9.  The detail on the gun and turret is superb - especially the grenade mesh.

The SdKfz 251 version seems unnecessary, but I guess you wanted to fill the sprue (a couple of figures would have been more useful, IMO).  Where is the figure that's mentioned in the caption?
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/9 & 251/23 TS1 160721
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 21, 2016, 04:06:00 pm
The SdKfz 251 version seems unnecessary, but I guess you wanted to fill the sprue (a couple of figures would have been more useful, IMO).  Where is the figure that's mentioned in the caption?

The 251 version is simply a top plate that closed off the 251D open top.  Great for WLG's Konflict 47 or similar games!

There are two figures that come with this expansion set, supplied separately!  ;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/9 & 251/23 TS1 160721
Post by: ripley on July 21, 2016, 08:54:43 pm
Just AWESOME ! Any idea when these sets will hit the shops ?
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/9 & 251/23 TS1 160721
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 21, 2016, 09:21:13 pm
Just AWESOME ! Any idea when these sets will hit the shops ?

Definitely this year!  We are still fine tuning the moulds to give best result.
Plus we are still waiting for the figures to get done!
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/9 & 251/23 TS1 160721
Post by: stevepalffy on July 21, 2016, 09:48:26 pm
Looking good can't wait for these.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/9 & 251/23 TS1 160721
Post by: ripley on July 22, 2016, 08:26:08 am
Released this year , great . Now I need to pick up 3 BA plastic Pumas , so I can convert them to a 234/1 , 3 & 4 using the 250/8 , 250/9 and 251/22 D kits  :) :) :) . Know anyone who might want a Puma turret or two ? I love this model company  :-[
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/9 & 251/23 TS1 160721
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on July 22, 2016, 02:59:17 pm
anyone who might want a Puma turret or two ?
Possibly anyone who is building a VK1602 Leopard?
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/9 & 251/23 TS1 160721
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 22, 2016, 09:48:37 pm
@Pinky - This is for you!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/SdKfz%20253%20amp%20250-3%20160722-1_zpshmx9shy7.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/9 & 251/23 TS1 160721
Post by: Pinky on July 22, 2016, 10:37:16 pm
Hehe - I like it! 
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/11 & 251/7 TS1 Painted 160723
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 23, 2016, 11:05:51 pm
A single plastic sprue with two 250/251 variants. A "mix and match" approach
to yield four possible configurations plus a dismounted weapon team!  The
SdKfz 251/7 is a completely new design different from our existing 280019
kit to give you more choices and customisation!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-11%20amp%20251-7%20160723-01_zpsuko90fgq.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-11%20amp%20251-7%20160723-02_zpszomtkx0u.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-11%20amp%20251-7%20160723-03_zpsb9ck8h91.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-11%20amp%20251-7%20160723-04_zps5oq3mome.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-11%20amp%20251-7%20160723-05_zpsjoqws2x2.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-11%20amp%20251-7%20160723-06_zpspv4sgenb.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-11%20amp%20251-7%20160723-07_zpsynxbiqqx.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/11 & 251/7 TS1 Painted 160723
Post by: stevepalffy on July 23, 2016, 11:17:32 pm
Awesome
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/11 & 251/7 TS1 Painted 160723
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on July 24, 2016, 01:34:43 pm
Nice.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/11 & 251/7 TS1 Painted 160723
Post by: Pinky on July 24, 2016, 03:16:26 pm
I really like the engineer version.  The ammo boxes are nice too.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/7 & 251/2 TS1 Painted 160725
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 26, 2016, 12:49:08 am
Another single plastic sprue to make two more 250/251 variants,
plus a dismounted 81mm mortar team (not shown)!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-7%20amp%20251-2%20160723-01_zpshmcjxa11.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-7%20amp%20251-2%20160723-02_zps0o0yweli.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-7%20amp%20251-2%20160723-03_zpsd8ftmggv.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-7%20amp%20251-2%20160723-04_zpsjkhuedgv.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-7%20amp%20251-2%20160723-05_zpsp6uidf6r.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/FB%20SdKfz%20250-7%20amp%20251-2%20160723-06_zpsuv1s80un.jpg)
Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/7 & 251/2 TS1 Painted 160725
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on July 26, 2016, 02:21:22 am
Very good. My only comment is that the solid barrel is more obvious on the mortars due to the angle. YMMV ^___^
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/7 & 251/2 TS1 Painted 160725
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 26, 2016, 02:40:30 am
Very good. My only comment is that the solid barrel is more obvious on the mortars due to the angle. YMMV ^___^

We are aware of that, it will be up to you guys to make it looks better!   ;D
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/7 & 251/2 TS1 Painted 160725
Post by: johan on July 26, 2016, 03:03:45 am
nothing a little bit of careful drilling can't fix
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/7 & 251/2 TS1 Painted 160725
Post by: Pinky on July 26, 2016, 10:06:56 am
Looking good.  Again, the fact that you're providing enough parts for 2 vehicles on one sprue is a good move.

The interior of the SdKfz 250/7 is a bit sparse.  It looked like this:


(https://s31.postimg.org/pwys06853/Sd_Kfz_250_7.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/pwys06853/)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/7 & 251/2 TS1 Painted 160725
Post by: ripley on July 26, 2016, 11:14:20 am
I really don't see how Rubicon could supply all the interior crew kit for all their  vehicles .  Even the 1/35 companies don't do that , you have to get after market resin bits , usually small bits for big money  :) Besides , I think once you add a 2 or 3 man crew , you won't see anything is missing . I guess you could pick up 2 sets for extra parts or maybe cast some in resin or have a look for some HO scale model rail road bits & pieces
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/7 & 251/2 TS1 Painted 160725
Post by: Pinky on July 26, 2016, 11:24:22 am
All that's really needed is the ammo containers behind the mortar, which could be done in one piece.  Rubicon set themselves a high standard with the level of interior detail on the basic SdKfz 250, so it's actually more noticable when this kind of detail is missing!   
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/7 & 251/2 TS1 Painted 160725
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 26, 2016, 11:32:10 am
The interior of the SdKfz 250/7 is a bit sparse.  It looked like this:
(https://s31.postimg.org/pwys06853/Sd_Kfz_250_7.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/pwys06853/)

We have all the bits to make it looks like what the photo shown...  no worries!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/7 & 251/2 TS1 Painted 160725
Post by: nazadsam on August 16, 2016, 08:22:17 pm
Any idea when will be 250/9 for sale ? cant wait to get one
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/7 & 251/2 TS1 Painted 160725
Post by: Rubicon Models on August 16, 2016, 09:49:51 pm
Any idea when will be 250/9 for sale ? cant wait to get one

Will definitely be this year!  Still waiting for QC to approve for release.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/7 & 251/2 TS1 Painted 170110
Post by: Rubicon Models on January 10, 2017, 03:58:54 pm
With Chinese New Year (Jan 28) coming soon, we had been busy working with the factory
rearranging our work schedule. Still have time to squeeze in another 250/251 expansion
set for your preview!

This is our single plastic sprue 250/7 & 251/2 81mm mortar carrier expansion kit. It comes
with an extra dismounted weapon team - a real Dollar Saver for the armchair generals!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/SdKfz%20251-2%20TS1%20Painted%20170110-01_zps2oxfneao.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/SdKfz%20251-2%20TS1%20Painted%20170110-02_zpsqxfs8yz6.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/SdKfz%20251-2%20TS1%20Painted%20170110-03_zpsx3ao305z.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250-251%20Expansion%20Sets/SdKfz%20251-2%20TS1%20Painted%20170110-04_zpszkqj1pti.jpg)

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Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/7 & 251/2 TS1 Painted 170110
Post by: Pinky on January 14, 2017, 01:28:39 pm
There's also some ammo stowage, right?  Does this set also build the neu version of the SdKfz 250/7?

It looks more polished than Warlord's version.  Their crew figures are intended to match their plastic Grenadiers, but like most of their vehicle crew figures they look rushed and inferior to the plastic sets.

When are the remaining sets due for release?  I want a Stummel!
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/7 & 251/2 TS1 Painted 170110
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on January 14, 2017, 05:05:21 pm
There's also some ammo stowage, right?
Looking back at:
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=230.msg4484#msg4484
Are components E20 and E21 ammo boxes?

In your painted example there appears to be one empty box on the floor of the 251.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/7 & 251/2 TS1 Painted 170110
Post by: ripley on January 14, 2017, 10:22:26 pm
E 21 looks exactly like the portable 3 round  ammo boxes that came with my Tamiya 1/35 mortar team .  The shiny white plastic makes hard to see the details  ::) . Hopefully more than 2 boxes are provided for each vehicle .  If not , I'm sure it would be  easy for us  to  make a few resin / green stuff/ plastic card copies depending on our modelling skills .
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/7 & 251/2 TS1 Painted 170110
Post by: nazadsam on April 08, 2017, 07:15:10 pm
Any idea when will be 250/9 out ?
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/7 & 251/2 TS1 Painted 170110
Post by: Ballardian on April 08, 2017, 07:37:28 pm
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Any idea when will be 250/9 out ?

 I'm also looking forward to this one, has it got a date yet?
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/7 & 251/2 TS1 Painted 170110
Post by: Rubicon Models on April 08, 2017, 11:22:27 pm
Any idea when will be 250/9 out ?

This is going to be the last of the expansion sets for now.  Should be next quarter, that is Q2/17.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/7 & 251/2 TS1 Painted 170110
Post by: nazadsam on April 09, 2017, 11:02:12 pm
what else will be on same sprue ? what other upgrade kit?
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C & Expansion Kits - 250/7 & 251/2 TS1 Painted 170110
Post by: Rubicon Models on April 09, 2017, 11:16:06 pm
what else will be on same sprue ? what other upgrade kit?

The 250/9 sprue will contain two turrets (early and late version).  With these two turrets, you can made a 251/23 or a 250/9 Neu -and- a 250/9 Alte.