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Rubicon Models => Showcase & Gallery => Topic started by: neffer38 on September 30, 2020, 05:19:21 pm
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I Just got round to ordering a spare Panther kit which I plan to turn into Bergepanther and Panthersturm. The Panthersturm will be easy enough. I'm quite confident with most of the bergepanther, But i notice the top front part of the hull Where the driver and MG gunner would be is completely open and im wondering how best to model the interior?
Does any one have a good phot of this area external and internal. I'm look through the internet now but most photos i find tend not to me looking to hard at that area.
Cheers
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Go to one of the 1/35 scale sites ( Track Links or Armorama ) and look for the Meng or Takom Berge kit reviews / builds . Both companies have a couple of versions with full interiors . Also Saumar museum in France has one , check for walk around photos , IRC it isn't completely restored . And I think Bovington has an early one which they are still working on , there was a WIP video out a while ago .
Are you going to build the full winch assembly or just cover the area with a tarp ? A tarp would also work to cover / hide the driver's compartment ;D
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Thanks,
Yes was planning on the full winch assembly (but still need to plan and research a bit 1st....how much effort do i want to put in haha) , I have plenty of 1,2,3 mm PVC palight as well as a meter of metal chains, picture hanging wire and 28mm scale rolls of barbwire. I also have some thin Lead to use as tarps. Im sure some off cut sprus will work for any tube like parts too,
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Should prove useful:
https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/0/2/2/1121022-38-instructions.pdf
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I would think the crew compartment should be pretty easy to scratch up . Various size boxes/ tubes for the transmission , radios , and drive lines and brake drums . The crew seats can either be scratched or maybe use spares from the 250/251 add on kits . Adding a driver and a couple of standing guys should fill up that crew space ( IRC crew of 4 ). The tricky part would be the winch drum , pity most model RR shops are gone , there used to be a lot of scale winches in various sizes for logging layouts in HO and O scale . not a perfect match of course but would look the part
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While most model railroad shops are gone, there are plenty of parts available online. I would concentrate on parts in 1/64th (S scale) or 1/48th (American O-Scale) and just look for something the right size for the space.
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Well my order arrived today. so going to make a start to get a feel for what I'm going to do. Also ordered the resin French H39 kit, gift for dads Birthday, shame to give it away ;D lovely clean sharp detailed kit! But he has a thing for french tanks so i guess i'll let him have it.
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Well I'm committed now.
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Right...Enough for 1 night :D
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Looking good . I take it your using a G hull , why remove the MG mount ?
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Yes G model. Didn't think there was much diffrence from the G to the rest visually apart from the exhaust?
From what I've seen from images the hull mg is mostly removed, and replaced with a pintle mounted mg on the outside ...along with what looks like an anti tank rifle?
Edit: is this a case of the the A m8del had the mg removed and the G model had the hull mg ?
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Early A had the "letter box " MG mount , Late A had the ball mount like the G . The G also had changes to the hull side panels , one piece / angle instead of the 2 piece angle /flat panel over last 2 rear road wheels on the D/A . The pintle mount used the hull gun , it would have a better arc of fire mounted up top ( AA) than just hull forward . The large gun was a 20mm , from what I've read very few actually mounted it . And there are 5 or 6 exhaust configurations with various straight , curved or the large flame damper pipes as well as various cast or welded armored covers which appeared at different times from different factories , and with the Germans rebuild program a refurbished early A could have late G parts ::) gets a little confusing sometimes
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Just an update. Mg mount found and glued back on, luckily it was a fairly clean cut.
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Its looking awesome
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Right, done! Few odd bit i'll sort out at the end and add some stowage etc and tarps.
Few bits off scale a bit, like the crane. I only have 1.5mm chain and was limited on what part i had to make it. It's actually the 2nd attempt as the 1st was awful haha
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It turned out really nice . Sometimes when you kit bash / scratch a kit you have to make a few compromises depending on your building skills , the contents of your parts box , and if you intend the vehicle , figure , terrain piece to be a major player in your game or just a back ground bit player , ie: a burned out tank as scenery piece ( great use for those old BA resin kits ;D ) I can't wait to see this kitty painted up and decaled
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Dont know anything about bergpanthers but love looking at scratchbuilds/conversions and this certainly looks the part, cracking job
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Getting to the painting has taken some time as I had to get back into work this week (into the actual office) and me and dad polished off a bottle of scotch last night between us whilst watching Spanish spy's of the 2nd world war, documentary's. As I'm working from home today its nice to be able to do a bit of painting during my lunch break.
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Dont know anything about bergpanthers but love looking at scratchbuilds/conversions and this certainly looks the part, cracking job
Thanks! I'm new to them as well tbh. I know what they are and their use but , whilst doing a model like this and doing the research you find out all those extra odd bits, plus a few mistakes (luckily the MG was an easy fix due to a clean cut).
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You might want to check a Takom or Meng BergeP paint guide , not all the crew compartment was off white , IRC the floor was primer , transmission , brake assemblies a blue/green . And of course this changed over the course of the war due to paint shortages
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You might want to check a Takom or Meng BergeP paint guide , not all the crew compartment was off white , IRC the floor was primer , transmission , brake assemblies a blue/green . And of course this changed over the course of the war due to paint shortages
HAHA I was hoping you might comment on that. I'll have a look. I primed the inside red to start then did the crew area off white wondering if that was right or not.
I've found Instagram had a great lot of images of other models at lots of views so was good for the building bit but i was wondering if I may fall into a trap of following another's mistake .
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I'm procrastinating over other bits now
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I've never really found a museum walkaround picture set that shows the full interior of any tank . Either parts are missing , various bits are cobbled together to make it look complete , or the photographer couldn't access the complete interior ( or he didn't care to shoot the parts I'm interested in :o ) As the Germans pretty much followed the same color pattern on the interior of their tanks ( floor - primer , Transmission - blue/green ) you can piece the puzzle together by checking out various photos of other German tanks . You might also look for modeler's builds on Missing-Lynx , the guys there are pretty knowledgeable , some of them being well respected authors in the field of WW2 tanks , plus guys who advise Dragon / Tamiya / etc on their kit research ( not always listen to ::) ) and guys who design / sell after market resin / PE . If a kit build can make it there without getting "corrected " by the experts , I would say its a good example of how to build / paint any kit
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Slowed down a bit on this after the weekend as back into the office once again. Went for the half and half red and dunkelgelb for the interior in the end.
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Sorry it's taken 2 week to do final touches lol I got carried away on a few other projects as well as getting sucked into to some work bits.
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That is some beautiful work
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Thanks very much ! :D