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Title: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Project CLOSED!
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 13, 2014, 03:04:22 pm
Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D

The Hanomag was our first pilot project when Rubicon Models was created back in Nov 2013.  As it turned out, somebody else was also doing a similar vehicle, so we decided to shelf the project in goodwill and worked on the Panzer IV as our first kit.

A year had passed, and with the launch of our first six plastic kits, we are seriously thinking to revive our pet project back to life!  Some might question why?

Our Hanomag design is quite different in many ways:
- It is an SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D.
- Will be a 2 sprue kit (hopefully).
- A third sprue for options or variants.
- More details on the kit.
- More options for customization.
- Designed to be multi-variant… all in plastic, no resin, no white metal!

Here are some of the possibilities:

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251-1AusfD_zps9a04d3bb.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251-1AusfDwithclosetop_zps47fc85a5.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251-1AusfDwithhalfopentop_zps2fa9b3f8.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251-5AusfD_zpsb0ebb67e.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251-8AusfD_zps8bf8a1a9.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251-1AusfDStukaZuFuss_zpsf4ab8d4c.jpg)

Other possibilities included:

SdKfz 251/2 – 80mm Mortar Carrier
SdKfz 251/3 – Communication Carrier
SdKfz 251/4 – Infantry Tractor for towing guns
SdKfz 251/6 – Command version
SdKfz 251/7 – Another version of the Assault Engineering vehicle
SdKfz 251/9 – with 75mm L/24 gun
SdKfz 251/10 – with 37mm PaK 36 anti-tank gun
SdKfz 251/16 – Flammpanzerwagen
SdKfz 251/18 – Armoured Artillery Observation
SdKfz 251/22 – with 75mm Pak 40 anti-tank gun
SdKfz 251/23 – Reconnaissance

What do you think?  Shall we proceed?  Comments and why?

That’s it for now, will keep you posted as we progress!

 ;)
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D
Post by: Anfernee on October 13, 2014, 03:09:19 pm
If you are able to make some of the options interchangable like your other kits, I think a Hanomag would be an amazing kit. It's such an iconic vehicle of WWII.
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D
Post by: ripley on October 13, 2014, 11:01:10 pm
Another great idea for a kit . Some of the versions might work as combo kits , for example the 251 / 9 and 22. Both have the some seats removed for ammo storage and the gun mount , so a basic interior would work for both . If you make the rear  seat bases and backs as separate pieces it would make conversions easier . Might I suggest you check out some of Dragon's 2 in 1 - 1/35 scale 251 kits for ideas on how to combine versions . Just ignore their kit instruction , they are hopeless . I do hope , if possible that you can mold the rear doors as 2  separate parts and if there is room on the sprue include a spare road wheel  and some small lengths of spare track . Many 251 Ds were photographed with this type of stowage in the later years of WW 2. If you make , we buy it and build it
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 13, 2014, 11:18:41 pm
RIPLEY: We are doing exactly the things you are recommending!  Will post some WIP photos later after our 3D prototypes are done!


;)
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D
Post by: Ballardian on October 14, 2014, 12:02:49 am
Would certainly be interested in a 'D', (the other plastic option being a 'C') as I play mostly late war & love the idea of Pioneer & ambulance options.
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D
Post by: Garga on October 15, 2014, 02:50:25 am
Great idea...
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D
Post by: Tony1955 on October 15, 2014, 05:41:35 pm
I for one would be very interested in the 251/6 command vehicle. No-one seems to produce one. The recon and Artillery Obs would also be a great addition to my German Army. Great idea all round.
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 17, 2014, 05:25:09 pm
The 3D print is back, we now have 55 parts altogether, will probably reduce it down to 45 or so!

Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D should feature:
- open or closed back door
- 2 side fenders and stowage options
- optional signal rods
- choice of MG34 or MG42 machine guns
- fully covered or half-open canvas top

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251-1DPartsLayout02_zpse6a2f8ca.jpg)

Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 3D parts
Post by: Andy on October 18, 2014, 12:44:23 am
I really like this project! Any chance that we will se a "neu" Sdkfz 250 in the future? Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 3D parts
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 18, 2014, 12:51:04 am
I really like this project! Any chance that we will se a "neu" Sdkfz 250 in the future? Keep up the good work!
Probably yes, but not right now! A lot of people is already yelling at us about making too many German vehicles... It just happened the 251 was something that we already had on file, and can be worked on right away!
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 3D parts
Post by: Preda on October 18, 2014, 03:04:14 am
Were not yelling
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 3D parts
Post by: OzzyUK on October 18, 2014, 05:40:06 am
You guys may bankrupt me.... Is the 3D print detail the final kit pending the parts reduction you mentioned? I was hoping for the standard transport layout with options for the Stuka Zu Fuss myself, or mortar, or pak.  Just to give better variety than the canvas coverings (as cool as they are). Although the quality appears damn high, seems even better than the italeri/warlord plastics coming out, it's really the variety/options you get per kit compared to other companies that sets you folks apart.
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 3D parts
Post by: Anfernee on October 18, 2014, 06:31:02 am
No yelling here either, keep the German vehicles coming :)
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 3D parts
Post by: Andy on October 18, 2014, 06:46:07 am
Im happy with the 251 ausf D as it is! I will buy that one too  :D
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 3D parts
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 18, 2014, 12:19:49 pm
When we started Rubicon Models as a major project, we had already established ourselves with a mission - Need to set us apart from other miniature manufacturers - More choice, more options!  Thanks for all the support and encouragement!
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 3D parts
Post by: robbie039 on October 18, 2014, 11:15:22 pm
I would like de stuka zu fuss and the radio version
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 3D parts
Post by: Porkmann on October 20, 2014, 07:24:17 am
The "D" is a winner.  I would love to see a "driling" version.
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 3D parts
Post by: RedRowan on October 20, 2014, 06:08:05 pm
I would certainly like to see this project continued, really like the idea of having a number of options included in a kit.

Steve
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 3D parts
Post by: Shark in Exile on October 21, 2014, 07:38:42 pm
How about adding the following variants
Sd.251/17 with 2cm cannon in a half turret which semi replaced the Sd.251/10 version.
Sd.251/21 Drilling version
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 3D parts
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 22, 2014, 07:59:44 pm
Some 3D prototypes of the basic SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - with and without canvas top!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251-1DStandardCarrier01_zps79ab04de.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251-1DHalfOpenCanvas01_zps76d8e574.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251-1DCloseCanvas01_zps8e2f7f81.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 3D prototypes
Post by: Keith on October 22, 2014, 08:35:17 pm
I think its looking great!

There are a couple of details that stand out as potential room for improvement. Might be useful for you?

There should also be a small vision slit for the driver and co-driver.

The tyre walls look flat, whereas there should be some curvature towards the edge (curve from the hub inwards to the edge, if that makes sense).

It would also be great if you can raise the exhaust muffler up a bit. It sits a bit low in the mudguard.

Any chance of a Notek light option along wit the current Bosch type? (I'm being cheeky now)

Other than that it looks really good and I'd certainly take a few. The options are great. I'd love to see the 251/9 at some point  ;)
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 3D prototypes
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 22, 2014, 09:31:41 pm
There should also be a small vision slit for the driver and co-driver.
The tyre walls look flat, whereas there should be some curvature towards the edge (curve from the hub inwards to the edge, if that makes sense).
It would also be great if you can raise the exhaust muffler up a bit. It sits a bit low in the mudguard.
Any chance of a Notek light option along wit the current Bosch type? (I'm being cheeky now)
Other than that it looks really good and I'd certainly take a few. The options are great. I'd love to see the 251/9 at some point  ;)
The side vision slits are not available on all vehicles, will look into this in more detail.

I have to agree with you on the flatness of the tire-wall, will see if we can make some changes to make them look more natural.

Double checked the exhaust muffler, seems to be correct from our available blueprints; might be an angle issue with the photograph.

Will look into adding a Notek light... :)

The SdKfz 251/9  (with 75mm L/24 gun) is something that we are looking into!  No start date, but already had data on hand.

Thanks for all the comments.  It is good to see C&C before we move the project into mold making!
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 3D prototypes
Post by: Keith on October 22, 2014, 09:49:41 pm
Great news!

Final thought (for now). Is there any way that you can suggest the handles that run along the inner edges of the fighting compartment? They'd be too delicate if they were to scale, but there might be a clever way of representing them (perhaps without gaps).
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 3D prototypes
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 22, 2014, 10:21:14 pm
Final thought (for now). Is there any way that you can suggest the handles that run along the inner edges of the fighting compartment? They'd be too delicate if they were to scale, but there might be a clever way of representing them (perhaps without gaps).
We won't be doing those as they will create production problems for us.  But you can use brass wire or rod to represent them, that's what we use in the old days for prototyping!
Title: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 3D prototypes
Post by: Beekiller on October 23, 2014, 06:31:34 am
I certainly congratule your effort. Not only on this 251, but on the resto of the line.

I'd suggest you to take into account that some people may buy let's say "251 with lot A" A including the MG version, the PAk37mm version and the 28mm AT gun. Those people may want to just built all the 3 gun options but the may want to present any of them on battlefield. Si I'd suggest they can be attached to the hull using the very same mechanism (pin)

Also I won't reduce number parts. People tend to go in panick when the parts to assemble are fiddly, but if they're easy to assemble, nobody will rant about the part number. Please do not mold the spade to the hull just to reduce part numbers.

Finally i can see you have modelled two paralel bars on the front hood. I think those were used on Stuka zu fuss versions. as a guide where to fire the rockets, but were not present on the rest of the 251 versions.

See ya

Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 3D prototypes
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 23, 2014, 11:23:59 am
I'd suggest you to take into account that some people may buy let's say "251 with lot A" A including the MG version, the PAk37mm version and the 28mm AT gun. Those people may want to just built all the 3 gun options but the may want to present any of them on battlefield. Si I'd suggest they can be attached to the hull using the very same mechanism (pin)
When we design the basic 251 chassis, all these considerations are already taken into account.  You will see some of the designs in a later post on the forum!

Also I won't reduce number parts. People tend to go in panick when the parts to assemble are fiddly, but if they're easy to assemble, nobody will rant about the part number. Please do not mold the spade to the hull just to reduce part numbers.
Part numbers are something that we need to take into account, this is due to the limited sprue space.  The result of the layout will affect mould making and the plastic injection process as well.  Of course, we do have our baseline on what parts should be separate and what is not!

Finally i can see you have modelled two paralel bars on the front hood. I think those were used on Stuka zu fuss versions. as a guide where to fire the rockets, but were not present on the rest of the 251 versions.
The technical drawings you've seen here are representation of a number of 251 variants.  The two parallel bars will only be used on the Stuka Zu Fuss version; therefore will be use on the standard 251 sprues.

;)
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 3D prototypes
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 23, 2014, 09:21:09 pm
There are a couple of details that stand out as potential room for improvement. Might be useful for you?
The tyre walls look flat, whereas there should be some curvature towards the edge (curve from the hub inwards to the edge, if that makes sense).
Any chance of a Notek light option along wit the current Bosch type? (I'm being cheeky now)
WE DO LISTEN TO C&C SUGGESTIONS!!

Here are some minor changes to the tyre and a new option - Nortek Lights for the 251...
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/RequestedChanges01_zpsbd636fd1.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251-1AusfDchanges141023_zps245ec634.jpg)

Thanks Keith!
;)
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 3D prototypes
Post by: Keith on October 23, 2014, 09:51:47 pm
That is great guys! Thanks for listening  ;D

Really can't wait to get some of these.
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 3D prototypes
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 24, 2014, 11:24:09 am
More SdKfz 251 variant prototypes - SdKfz 251/5 (Assault Engineering Vehicle) and the SdKfz 251/8 (Ambulance):

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251-5DAssaultEngineers01_zpsafe7e524.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251-8DAmbulance01_zps79430628.jpg)

The parts that make up the ambulance...
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251-8DAmbulanceParts01_zps79f86f1e.jpg)

Please Note - the side stowage layout on the ambulance version (SdKfz 251/8) is incorrect.  This layout is only available on the Ausf. C version and had been updated on our 3D drawings.
C&C welcome!

;)
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 251/5 & 251/8
Post by: Keith on October 24, 2014, 01:56:26 pm
Lovely - really nice level of detail in the 251/8 in particular. The interior framework is really well done.
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 251/5 & 251/8
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 24, 2014, 08:50:51 pm
Was working on a different project, and with some fiddling, we'd come up with this...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251AusfDPAK35Closeupsmall_zps20179567.jpg)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251AusfDPAK35_zpsdca897a2.jpg)

We are considering to replace the existing gun shield with another version, but don't seem to find any drawings on it.  Need more research...
Might add this to the project at a later stage!

;D
Title: 251 D
Post by: ripley on October 24, 2014, 09:26:36 pm
With over 10,000 vehicles of the 251 D half track built we are going to have so much  fun kit bashing the various versions you produce . I'm already cutting up Bolt Action plastic Germans to make seated crew figures . For ideas , try and find a copy of Encyclopedia of German Tanks of WW 2 by P. Chamberlain & H. Doyle . ISBN 1-85409-214-6 . First published in 1973 , yes older than some of us visiting this site , but lots and lots of great pictures ( over 1000 ) of German tanks , half tracks  , armoured cars and captured vehicles in German service .
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 251/5 & 251/8
Post by: Silesian on October 25, 2014, 01:55:09 am
I wonder if some of the variants are viable. I mean, while you'll certainly get lobbied for all sorts of obscure variants, but how many people are actually going to use a stuka zu fuss, ambulance, or tractor SdKfz in 28mm?
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 251/5 & 251/8
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 25, 2014, 10:23:47 am
I wonder if some of the variants are viable. I mean, while you'll certainly get lobbied for all sorts of obscure variants, but how many people are actually going to use a stuka zu fuss, ambulance, or tractor SdKfz in 28mm?
We are not going to do one variant per kit, but a combination on a single sprue - depending on number of parts that we can fit onto it.  We are not going to produce all the variants but those most commonly used on the gaming table - there are a few good rules out there!
;)
Title: Re: Reviving a Shelved Project – SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with 251/5 & 251/8
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 25, 2014, 10:12:19 pm
This is the most discussed variant - the Stuka Zu Fuss!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251-1DStukaZuFussRockets01_zps65d10be4.jpg)

The design is a challenge - trying to make it looks like the original and yet easy to assemble and sturdy enough for handling!  Here is the complete rack...
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251-1DStukaZuFussAssembly01_zpsafc7c1cd.jpg)

Now mounted on the SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D!
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251-1DStukaZuFuss01_zps43ef1793.jpg)

C&C welcome!
;)
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more 3D prototypes!
Post by: Morsleib on October 25, 2014, 11:19:52 pm
Will this include any crew such as gunners?
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more 3D prototypes!
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 25, 2014, 11:25:11 pm
Will this include any crew such as gunners?
We simply do not have the extra resources to do figures at this moment.  We might introduce crew/driver in future releases but our hands are tied now!  Sorry!
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more 3D prototypes!
Post by: Anfernee on October 26, 2014, 06:44:00 am
Looks great. More of a Panzerwerfer 42 man myself but this Stuka still looks great.
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more 3D prototypes!
Post by: ripley on October 26, 2014, 06:52:32 am
Really liking your options for the 251 D . I can see some left over pieces from the build being used on other company's vehicles to bring them up to par . Nothing I like better than a little kit bashing  :)
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more 3D prototypes!
Post by: Morsleib on October 26, 2014, 07:32:17 pm
Will this include any crew such as gunners?
We simply do not have the extra resources to do figures at this moment.  We might introduce crew/driver in future releases but our hands are tied now!  Sorry!

I understand. Is there any mileage in partnering with a whitemetal manufacturer to provide extras? Possibly one of your existing distributors.
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more 3D prototypes!
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 26, 2014, 10:00:48 pm
I understand. Is there any mileage in partnering with a whitemetal manufacturer to provide extras? Possibly one of your existing distributors.
In fact we do have a discussion on the subject, no date yet!
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more 3D prototypes!
Post by: Rubicon Models on October 27, 2014, 11:09:15 pm
Just revised our SdKfz 251/10 with a new gun shield...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251AusfDPAK35-1_zps4feca769.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more 3D prototypes!
Post by: OzzyUK on October 28, 2014, 03:38:38 am
All looking great! Now if I see an sdkfz 221 through 223 armoured car I'll go from simply loving you guys (6 tanks on pre order :) ) to setting up a small shrine and becoming an iconoclast!
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more 3D prototypes!
Post by: Laffe on November 07, 2014, 08:08:15 pm
Ok, some comments, I had to register to give them :-)

If you are doing an Ausf. D you don't really need to provide both MG34 and MG42's, buy the time the Ausf D was introduced all infantry used the MG42, MG34 was ONLY used on tanks and in armoured cars. Save yourself some space on the sprue, I'd rather have ammo boxes/belts/drums for the MG's than extra MG's.

Also, I think -- sorry if someone already have said this -- a useful combo kit would be something like providing /1 /7 and /10 in the same kit.

Basic halftrack, add 37mm to get the /10 command vehicle, replace with 28mm squeeze bore (not on all so is not essential if you can't fit it on the sprue) and add field bridges to get engineering vehicle. I think the /7 had some different internal layout to accomodate the assault engineers' heavy equipment but I don't think it's necessary.

Providing opening doors would be very useful!
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more 3D prototypes!
Post by: robbie039 on November 24, 2014, 06:34:00 am
the mortar carrier version would also be a nice one, could you also do the 250
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more 3D prototypes!
Post by: Pinky on November 25, 2014, 12:33:58 am
Ok, some comments, I had to register to give them :-)

If you are doing an Ausf. D you don't really need to provide both MG34 and MG42's, by the time the Ausf D was introduced all infantry used the MG42, MG34 was ONLY used on tanks and in armoured cars. Save yourself some space on the sprue, I'd rather have ammo boxes/belts/drums for the MG's than extra MG's.

Agreed, and I'd also like a few accessories like jerrycans.  As I mentioned in another thread, it'd be nice if the MG42s were reasonably robust, even if they're a bit overscale.

Quote
Basic halftrack, add 37mm to get the /10 command vehicle, replace with 28mm squeeze bore (not on all so is not essential if you can't fit it on the sprue) and add field bridges to get engineering vehicle. I think the /7 had some different internal layout to accomodate the assault engineers' heavy equipment but I don't think it's necessary.

I think these are very good suggestions.  Those options would provide the most important versions.  The engineer version actually had quite different stowage, but that could be 'overlooked' or greatly simplified.

Remember to give it the right seats in the troop compartment.  They were uncomfortable wooden slat seats, not comfy leather.
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more 3D prototypes!
Post by: Dream17 on December 19, 2014, 05:40:23 am
Any chance of a panzerbusche 41 in the pioneer wagon kit??
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more 3D prototypes!
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 30, 2014, 06:57:52 pm
As the mould for our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D is almost done, here is our smart design of the Stuka zu Fuss rack system we modeled as an add-on option:

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251-1AusfDStukaZuFussRackv1_zpsd7dea0be.jpg)

As you can see, there is only 10 plastic parts per side... a total of 21 parts for the complete Stuka zu Fuss mount, yet highly detailed!!

;)
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Stuka zu Fuss parts & diagram
Post by: Rubicon Models on December 31, 2014, 03:59:01 pm
The SdKfz 251 Ausf D first test sprues came in today!
Even though not perfect, we have done some trail assembly and close up inspections to further improve the quality of the various sprues.

Here is the assembled Stuka zu Fuss rack as shown on the 3D diagram above:
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/StukazuFussrackv1_zpsa2c12000.jpg)

Here are the tracks and the canvas tops:
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/CanvasTopandTracksv1_zps7d124aa2.jpg)

Enjoy!

;)

Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Stuka zu Fuss parts & diagram
Post by: Pinky on December 31, 2014, 07:55:55 pm
It's exciting to see these in plastic, having seen the earlier 3-D images.

The design of of the Wurfrahmen 40 is ingenious.  The two large rectangular tabs on the lower bar of each frame look a bit crude though - presumably these are the brackets for the launch frames.  Can you improve them?

The tracks and running gear are very crisp and nicely cast.  The hubs should be a bit wider, and should have a protruding bolt in the centre (rather than being flat), as per the photos below, but that's a relatively minor detail.
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Stuka zu Fuss parts & diagram
Post by: Rubicon Models on January 01, 2015, 12:15:56 am
The design of of the Wurfrahmen 40 is ingenious.  The two large rectangular tabs on the lower bar of each frame look a bit crude though - presumably these are the brackets for the launch frames.  Can you improve them?
This sprue is our first test run (T1) sprues, meaning no touch up, no polish, no fine detail... freshly created mould.  This is to give our studio time to compare the plastic parts with our original design, and to make possible changes BEFORE they move to T2... after T2, basically you cannot make changes without big alternations to the mould.  T3 is for final detail touch ups and minor modifications before commercial production starts!

The tracks and running gear are very crisp and nicely cast.  The hubs should be a bit wider, and should have a protruding bolt in the centre (rather than being flat), as per the photos below, but that's a relatively minor detail.
That protruding bolt is too small to be "drilled" onto the mould, and even if we put it there, you will not be able to see it in the plastic injection phase. Plastic bits might even get stuck in that area of the mould and damage it too!

Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Stuka zu Fuss parts & diagram
Post by: Rubicon Models on January 02, 2015, 02:45:35 pm
This is our preliminary design of the waterslide decal for our SdKfz 251D series:

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Waterslide%20Decals/WaterDecalGE-02_zps824acbd5.jpg)

Any comments to improve the contents of the decal sheet is much appreciated!

;)
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Waterslide Decal Design
Post by: Laffe on January 02, 2015, 03:40:30 pm
Looks ok, but I'm not sure you need tactical markings in black by this time. I thought they would be painted in white only over dunkelgelb. I might be wrong though. But on the subject you have "Rifle Company" and "Armoured engineer company", right? I think Armoured infantry company would be better?
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Waterslide Decal Design
Post by: Rubicon Models on January 02, 2015, 05:05:47 pm
Looks ok, but I'm not sure you need tactical markings in black by this time. I thought they would be painted in white only over dunkelgelb. I might be wrong though. But on the subject you have "Rifle Company" and "Armoured engineer company", right? I think Armoured infantry company would be better?

What was the tactical marking for "Armoured Infantry Company"?  We could remove the black ones and add some new white ones too!

;)
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Waterslide Decal Design
Post by: VolleyfireAndy on January 02, 2015, 06:23:03 pm
These transfers look excellent. Might I suggest selling them in packs of say 2-3 sheets separately, as I can see a lot of use for these
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Waterslide Decal Design
Post by: Laffe on January 02, 2015, 06:41:54 pm
Looks ok, but I'm not sure you need tactical markings in black by this time. I thought they would be painted in white only over dunkelgelb. I might be wrong though. But on the subject you have "Rifle Company" and "Armoured engineer company", right? I think Armoured infantry company would be better?

What was the tactical marking for "Armoured Infantry Company"?  We could remove the black ones and add some new white ones too!

;)

I'm not 100% sure that the black wasn't used, I just can't recall seeing a black one.

Anyway, afaik the symbols are like small pictograms. Basically the one you have now for Infantry is a stylised truck (box with two wheels) meaning motorised infantry -- and the ones you have for armoured engineers above is a stylised halftrack with a symbol on top. The symbol means engineers (I think, it's a bit hard to make out in the picture). To have armoured infantry just remove the symbol on top so you have a stylised halftrack.

Platoon vs Company, the symbol is the same but the company have a fat black line on the "front" -- left hand side.

I'm trying to find a good online reference, but you definitely want the armoured symbol on a Sd.Kfz 251 :-)
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Waterslide Decal Design
Post by: Laffe on January 02, 2015, 08:33:23 pm
Found this online, it has some good examples.
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Waterslide Decal Design
Post by: Pinky on January 02, 2015, 10:46:33 pm
I have seen photos of both black and white tactical signs on dark yellow.  I've also seen photos of SdKfz 251s with the Motorized Rifle tactical sign (i.e. the stylised truck), so including these is appropriate (although it seems illogical, given they would be Panzergrenadiers).  The tactical signs were simplified in 1943, and the correct signs for the 1943-45 period (during which the Ausf D was in use) are as per the chart in Laffe's post.  That means the Armoured Engineer signs on the transfer sheet are correct. Armoured Infantry signs would probably make more sense, in which case they should be the same minus the arrow on top, as Laffe said.

It's a nice set of decals.  I assume you decided not to include divisional signs?  They might actually be more useful than the tactical signs, which seem to have been increasingly rare in the late war period - at least on half-tracks.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Waterslide Decal Design
Post by: Garga on January 03, 2015, 02:21:36 am
I like the decals. Maybe you may add some more German crosses instead of the groups of 3 black numbers. Also it would be helpful if you also produce a set of decals with division signs that may be sold separately in packs of 2/3 so they can be used for all your German vehicles...
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Waterslide Decal Design
Post by: Rubicon Models on January 03, 2015, 04:23:30 pm
I like the decals. Maybe you may add some more German crosses instead of the groups of 3 black numbers. Also it would be helpful if you also produce a set of decals with division signs that may be sold separately in packs of 2/3 so they can be used for all your German vehicles...

The three black numbers are for people who just want some numbers on their vehicles.  We are actually working on some standalone decal sets that are to be sold separately.  Should be available in a few month's time!

;)
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Waterslide Decal Design
Post by: Garga on January 03, 2015, 06:59:37 pm
Great news we will become addicted to rubicon models. I'll post soon my results with your first 3 models.
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Waterslide Decal Design
Post by: Dream17 on January 09, 2015, 03:12:45 am
any update on the Panzerbusche 41  :D or a Flampanzerwagen????

Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Waterslide Decal Design
Post by: vladgothic on January 09, 2015, 10:13:40 pm
These halftracks look great, its really nice to see some finesse with wargames models.

For armoured platoon/ company sized games the 251/9 Stummel with 75mm L24 and the 251/2 with 81mm mortar would be great.

The next one on my list would be the 251/22 with PAK 40 75mm L46

As pointed out in an earlier post, parts could lead into further products, the PAK 40 AT gun for eg and the 75mm L24 would work on a 250.

A good one for late and post war, weird WW2, onwards would be the 251/22 UHU carrying the 60cm searchlight for infrared night fighting, this was also used on a ground mount alongside flak batteries throughout the war (great scenario/mission objectives)

The 251/16 with flamethrowers would be a briliant addition too.
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Waterslide Decal Design
Post by: Rubicon Models on January 12, 2015, 04:58:14 pm
We have updated the final waterslide decal design for the SdKfz 251D series:

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/Waterslide%20Decals/WaterDecalGE-02v2_zps9e84c5ed.jpg)

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Waterslide Decal Design
Post by: Garga on January 31, 2015, 07:42:02 am
do you plan to do the stummel ?
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Waterslide Decal Design
Post by: Rubicon Models on January 31, 2015, 12:46:59 pm
do you plan to do the stummel ?
Definitely!  But not right away...

;)
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Waterslide Decal Design
Post by: Pinky on February 01, 2015, 04:27:08 pm
Nice set of decals.  Looking forward to the actual kit!  Any chance of a preview of the box art?
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Painted Test Plastic Vehicles
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 14, 2015, 06:35:39 pm
After several modifications and refinements on the various SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D moulds, we finally have sign off the moulds for commercial production.  Here are some images of the painted test plastic vehicles (more photo to follow):

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FBSdKfz251-1DArmouredPersonnelCarrier01_zps519e3349.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FBSdKfz251-1DwithHalfOpenedCanvasTop01_zps27de37ff.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FBSdKfz251-1DwithCanvasTop01_zps0d5900ab.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FBSdKfz251-1DwithPaK3601_zps40f5ff20.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FBSdKfz251-1DAssaultEngineer01_zpsbe35650c.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FBSdKfz251-1DAssaultEngineer02_zps80803b18.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FBSdKfz251-1DStukazuFuss01_zpsae4eb4f1.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FBSdKfz251-5DandSdKfz251-1D01_zps397cef8c.jpg)

Some are still in painting, that includes the SdKfz 251/10 with Pak 36 (Full Shield) and the SdKfz 251/8 Ambulance...

C&C welcome!
;)


Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Painted Test Plastic Vehicles
Post by: Pinky on February 14, 2015, 06:50:24 pm
Lovely.  Much more refined than Warlord's SdKfz 251. I'm really looking forward to this kit - I plan to get at least 2 of the 'full option' version.  It comes with MG42s as well, right?
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Painted Test Plastic Vehicles
Post by: Garga on February 16, 2015, 12:03:13 am
WHEN will it be out? I can't wait to ha a platoon of them !
Please also consider growing this project to get th flamer, and the stummel... The resin ones are horrible.
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Painted Test Plastic Vehicles
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 16, 2015, 03:06:57 am
WHEN will it be out? I can't wait to ha a platoon of them !
Please also consider growing this project to get th flamer, and the stummel... The resin ones are horrible.

Will be out end of March!  Had plans for other variants, but need to wait a bit.  We want to spend some time to release some Allies vehicles first!

;)
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Painted Test Plastic Vehicles
Post by: airborne on February 16, 2015, 04:33:49 am
My Tiger arrived from Northstar Valentine day, quite apt for a gift from my wife, now I will have the opportunity to create the best infantry support vehicles with this great range. You have a fine style of quality, and attention to detail.
Cheers.   
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Painted Test Plastic Vehicles
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 17, 2015, 01:59:07 pm
More photos added, this time with SdKfz 251/10 Ausf D with 3.7cm Pak 36 (full gun shield)...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FBSdKfz251-1DwithPaK3602_zps8b209f8d.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FBSdKfz251-1DAssaultEngineer03_zps1a0deea6.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FBSdKfz251-5DandSdKfz251-1D02_zpsef94f565.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FBSdKfz251-1DStukazuFuss02_zps823771dc.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FBPantherGwithSdKfz251-1D01_zps564ef4b9.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FBPantherGwithSdKfz251-1D02_zps5a3228a0.jpg)

;)
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Painted Test Plastic Vehicles
Post by: Pinky on February 17, 2015, 08:56:13 pm
Okay, not really a fan of the full Pak 36 gunshield.  I've never seen a photo of an Ausf D with the full gunshield (apparently relatively few SdKfz 251/10 Ausf D's were built) but it's no big deal - the cut-down shield looks great. 

I'm not sure the nomenclature is right.  The engineer version depicted by your kit is the SdKfz 215/7, rather than the SdKfz 251/5.  I think the SdKfz 251/5 had the assault bridges mounted internally, but in any case the SdKfz 251/5 was discontinued before the Ausf D began production.  Also, I don't think there was technically a 'command' version of the SdKfz 251/7 Ausf D, although some Ausf C's at least were fitted with the Pak 36.  It'd be worth double-checking this before you finalise the packaging for the kit.
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Painted Test Plastic Vehicles
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 17, 2015, 09:54:49 pm
Pinky: Will double check before release!  :D
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Painted Test Plastic Vehicles
Post by: Pinky on February 17, 2015, 10:52:22 pm
Pinky: Will double check before release!  :D

Cool.  Does the kit come with the spare wheel that was in the design drawings?  And MG42's?
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Painted Test Plastic Vehicles
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 18, 2015, 01:18:05 am
Cool.  Does the kit come with the spare wheel that was in the design drawings?  And MG42's?

YES!
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Painted Test Plastic Vehicles
Post by: Laffe on February 18, 2015, 02:01:56 am
Cool.  Does the kit come with the spare wheel that was in the design drawings?  And MG42's?

YES!

BRILLIANT!
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Painted Test Plastic Vehicles
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 18, 2015, 02:28:32 am
I'm not sure the nomenclature is right.  The engineer version depicted by your kit is the SdKfz 215/7, rather than the SdKfz 251/5.  I think the SdKfz 251/5 had the assault bridges mounted internally, but in any case the SdKfz 251/5 was discontinued before the Ausf D began production.  Also, I don't think there was technically a 'command' version of the SdKfz 251/7 Ausf D, although some Ausf C's at least were fitted with the Pak 36.  It'd be worth double-checking this before you finalise the packaging for the kit.

Pinky: You are correct, the SdKfz 251/5 was designed to carry combat engineers and their equipment.  It carried only eight men and the room thus made available was used for special equipment.  This version was later supplanted by the SdKfz 251/7. 

The naming was correct on our initial project documents, and it is even correct on our website product description; but somehow it was changed from 251/7 to 251/5 during the digital drawing phase, and we have not check it again until you brought this up.  Will amend documentation as needed.  Thanks again!

;)
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Painted Test Plastic Vehicles
Post by: airborne on February 18, 2015, 04:06:50 am
Thank you for including the Panther in your photos it`s really good to get size perspective  as well as seeing a good product.
Cheers.
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Painted Test Plastic Vehicles
Post by: Pinky on February 18, 2015, 10:13:28 am
The naming was correct on our initial project documents, and it is even correct on our website product description; but somehow it was changed from 251/7 to 251/5 during the digital drawing phase, and we have not check it again until you brought this up.  Will amend documentation as needed.  Thanks again!


I'm glad you caught that - it looks like a fantastic kit, so it would've been a shame if the description had been off.  I'm looking forward to seeing the box art too.
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Painted Test Plastic Vehicles
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 18, 2015, 10:52:04 pm
Finally get all the SdKfz 251D product range painted for display before the Chinese New Year holiday!
Here is the SdKfz 251/8 Ausf D Ambulance...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FBSdKfz251-8Ambulance01_zpsaf410371.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FBSdKfz251-8amp251-1D01_zpsf21464a6.jpg)

Here is the image of the complete range of our current THREE product codes:
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FBSdKfz251DVariants01_zpsac9ad236.jpg)

;)
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Painted Test Plastic Vehicles
Post by: robbie039 on February 19, 2015, 08:41:22 pm
Could you also put a radio and antenna on one of the sprue's.
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Painted Test Plastic Vehicles
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 19, 2015, 10:12:10 pm
Could you also put a radio and antenna on one of the sprue's.

That will be on the next SdKfz 251D expansion sprue!  :D
No release date yet!
Title: Re: Our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with Painted Test Plastic Vehicles
Post by: Pinky on February 20, 2015, 12:06:20 pm
I like the ambulance.  Hurry up and release the kit!  :)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - on the Drawing Board 150607
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 07, 2015, 11:21:24 am
There are still life with our Hanomag project!

Even though we will not produce ALL the 251 variants, we have intentions to do the most common and useful ones.  No release date yet, but we are drawing these variants a little at a time... not obstructing progress of other projects!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz%20251D%20Expansion%20150607-1_zpsudzralfh.jpg)

Other possible variants include:

SdKfz 251/2 - 81 mm Mortar Carrier
SdKfz 251/4 - Gun Towing Tractor
SdKfz 251/9 - with a 7.5 cm L/24 low velocity gun "Stummel"
SdKfz 251/16 - Flame Thrower
SdKfz 251/17 - with a 2 cm KwK38 AA Gun
SdKfz 251/21 - with MG151 Auto-cannon "Drilling"
SdKfz 251/23 - Reconnaissance with 2 cm KwK38 Auto-cannon

Special Note: Don't think we will release all of these, it will greatly depends on the number of sprues needed -AND- changes needed to make to our standard SdKfz 251/1D kit.  We will continue to work on these... stay tuned!



Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more info!
Post by: Pinky on June 07, 2015, 06:56:50 pm
Great news!  The 'Stummel' is my favourite variant of the SdKfz 251, and your Ausf D kit is a really nice one, so it'll be a good excuse to buy more.

The SdKfz 251/3 seems like a good addition; I like the idea of a command half-track.  While the frame antenna is very iconic, it disappeared from command SPWs from about 1942. 

The SdKfz 251/22 would be a nice late war variant.  I'd also suggest that a mortar carrier would be useful.  Dunno about the others - the 'Drilling' certainly looked good.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more info!
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 07, 2015, 07:21:03 pm
The SdKfz 251/3 seems like a good addition; I like the idea of a command half-track.  While the frame antenna is very iconic, it disappeared from command SPWs from about 1942.

The "star-shaped" antenna is called a "stern antenna".

The "frame" antenna is actually called a "NVIS antenna".  NVIS stands for "Near-Vertical Incidence Skywave".  It is a high-frequency (HF) antenna, commonly referred to as a "frame" or "cage" antenna. There were multiple variations depending on the vehicle, it was used throughout the war for both ground to ground and ground to air communications.

I am not crazy about radios, but here are some additional information on WW2 German radios:

FuG1 was a listening set normally put in command vehicles.
FuG2 27200-33300 Kc/s with 1.4m rod was the standard listening only equipment for subordinate armored vehicles.
FuG4 was an artillery command set with a 2m star aerial.
FuG5 10w transmitter operating at 27200 to 33300 Kc/s with a 2m rod aerial giving range of 4km morse and 2km voice--standard tank set
FuG6 20w with same antenna and operating Kc/s but 8km morse and 6km voice--early command vehicles
FuG7 20w with same antenna, operating on 42100 to 47800 Kc/s with a morse and voice range of 50km--this was the ground to air set normally found in the SdKfz-250/3, 251/3 and command tanks equipped for air to ground.
FuG8 30w operating in the 1130-3000Kc/s (version a) or 580-3000 (version b) and 835-3000 (version c). Early and mid war had the big frame antenna but late war used a 8m winch mast antenna. 40km morse and 10km voice with the frame antenna. 50km and 10km with the 8m mast. This was the main division set.
FuG10 is a 30w set operating in the 950-1670Kc/s (version a) or 100-6970 (version b) and another version using 1120-3000Kc/s using a frame antenna. Range is 40km morse and 10km voice and was used in recon vehicles.
FuG11 100w operating in the 200-1200 or 100-6970 with early versions using a frame antenna and later versions a 9m mast. Used as command link to recon units and notably the SdKfz232(Fu). Range was 50km morse and 10km voice for the early frame antenna. The 9m mast gave a range of 200km morse and 70km voice!
FuG12 is 80w operating in the 1120-3000 and receiver in 835-3000 using 2m rod giving range or 200km and 70km used by late war recon vehicles
FuG13 was for 20w same as FuG6 but with 2 receivers and used in lower level command vehicles
FuG15 operated in the 23000-24950 Kc/s and used by assault gun units. range of 8km and 6km.


We will continue to work on additional variants when we have the free time.  No definite release dates though...



Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more info!
Post by: Pinky on June 07, 2015, 09:19:25 pm
The "star-shaped" antenna is called a "stern antenna".

The "frame" antenna is actually called a "NVIS antenna".  NVIS stands for "Near-Vertical Incidence Skywave".  It is a high-frequency (HF) antenna, commonly referred to as a "frame" or "cage" antenna. There were multiple variations depending on the vehicle, it was used throughout the war for both ground to ground and ground to air communications.

It's true you still see the frame antenna on a few post-1942 vehicles, but it was too conspicuous and generally replaced with a rod antenna. As your own notes on various radio types mention.  Maybe something to save up for your intended Ausf C kit?
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more info!
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 07, 2015, 10:01:02 pm
Quote
Maybe something to save up for your intended Ausf C kit?

It is supposed to be a top secret project...  :-\
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more info!
Post by: Laffe on June 07, 2015, 10:52:13 pm
That stern antenna could be mounted on your regular tank to denote a command vehicle too  8)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more info!
Post by: han5gruber on June 09, 2015, 05:50:36 am
Great news!  The 'Stummel' is my favourite variant of the SdKfz 251, and your Ausf D kit is a really nice one, so it'll be a good excuse to buy more.

The SdKfz 251/3 seems like a good addition; I like the idea of a command half-track.  While the frame antenna is very iconic, it disappeared from command SPWs from about 1942. 

The SdKfz 251/22 would be a nice late war variant.  I'd also suggest that a mortar carrier would be useful.  Dunno about the others - the 'Drilling' certainly looked good.


I'm not entirely sure you are correct, here's a couple of photos from Budapest in 44 showing exactly what Rubicon is proposing.

(http://i.imgur.com/cSpDAyQ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/vwf1MRf.jpg)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more info!
Post by: Pinky on June 09, 2015, 10:40:39 am
Yes, I've seen those photos.  There was also at least one senior commander's Ausf D with a frame antenna.  What's not clear is whether these are production vehicles, since officially the frame antenna was replaced.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more info!
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 18, 2015, 02:54:17 am
Interesting Problem and Possible Solutions ??

We have run into a slight problem that would like some constructive comments:

- When we designed the SdKfz 251, we already have plans to create several Expansion Add-on Kits for the Ausf D
- Each expansion kit will contain two or three variants for the SdKfz 251 family, depending on complexity and number of parts needed
- We also have plans to do a SdKfz 251 Ausf C at a later stage
- Our plan is to make these expansion kits totally compatible with both Ausf D and later Ausf C
- All planned variants have no problem whatsoever except for two popular variants
- The first one is the Stuka zu Fuss; the rocket frames needed to arrange slightly different for each variant because of the difference in vehicle length, so we choose the Ausf D for obvious reasons
- Second being the SdKfz 251/22 that came with the PaK 40

Here are the angle / top / side views of the SdKfz 251/22 Ausf D for your references:

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251D22%20Issue%20150618-1_zpsr3glmeho.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251D22%20Issue%20150618-3_zpsat96ywi2.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz251D22%20Issue%20150618-2_zpsrkehjsif.jpg)

The PaK 40 has a special mount that sit inside the 251 chassis, with the gun barrel sitting just on top of vehicle as shown.  The vehicle at the bottom of each drawing is the correct line drawing.  The GREEN patch is where the front MG used to be.

The Problem - ALL other variants that we added to the expansion kits do not need to change the layout design of the green-colored area.

Best Solution - Best solution is to create a new chassis top for the Ausf D, but then we will also need to include a modified Ausf C chassis to this kit; a product that we have planned but not even released.

Alternatives - The next best thing is to add an extra plate on top of the existing one mimicking the original intended design as shown in ORANGE!

If we were to use the alternative approach, this could be applied to BOTH Ausf D and later Ausf C without the need for TWO new chassis tops, thus saving a lot of sprue space.  Unfortunately, this will compromised historical accuracy with the original design.

What do you think?

Please comment and thanks!

;)

Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more info!
Post by: Pinky on June 18, 2015, 08:26:29 am
Not sure you actually have a problem.  Neither the late version of the SdKfz 251/9 (the version you've depicted, with a bolt-on armoured shield and co-axial MG) nor the SdKfz 251/22 were built on the Ausf C.  They were late war variants, and only built on the Ausf D body.  There are some other variants that were only built on the Ausf D body, some of which you mentioned in an earlier post.

On the other hand, the Ausf C version of the SdKfz 251/9 would require a revised body (and a different gun mount) because the gun was installed in a cut-away section beside the driver's position.  The initial Ausf D version also had a cutaway section.

I suggest you do an "Ausf D only" upgrade sprue, featuring the most popular/useful variants that only appeared on the Ausf D.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more info!
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 18, 2015, 09:49:43 am
Not sure you actually have a problem.  Neither the late version of the SdKfz 251/9 (the version you've depicted, with a bolt-on armoured shield and co-axial MG) nor the SdKfz 251/22 were built on the Ausf C.  They were late war variants, and only built on the Ausf D body.  There are some other variants that were only built on the Ausf D body, some of which you mentioned in an earlier post.
We are aware of the SdKfz 251/9 situation.  However, for the SdKfz 251/22, depending on the source (on both historical and modeling websites), some indicated it was produced on both Ausf C and D variants.  Of course, we can limited the build for Ausf D only.  This is also why we posted on the forum for further comments before we committed ourselves to the current plan.

On the other hand, the Ausf C version of the SdKfz 251/9 would require a revised body (and a different gun mount) because the gun was installed in a cut-away section beside the driver's position.  The initial Ausf D version also had a cutaway section.
The SdKfz 251/9 will have a new revised body and interior for the Ausf D.  No worries about that!  The bolt-on version is meant for Ausf D and may be for the SdKfz 250/8 at a later stage!

I suggest you do an "Ausf D only" upgrade sprue, featuring the most popular/useful variants that only appeared on the Ausf D.
That's something we are planning to do, but we are also grouping Ausf C & D compatible variants onto another sprue.

Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more info!
Post by: ripley on June 18, 2015, 09:53:16 am
As Pinky says , just release up grades for your 251 D .  You don't want to be wasting your sprue  space on parts to adapt to another company's kit . If they change their design , your kit becomes useless to the owner of said kit . Design for your own  kit and those of us Modelers who have the skill will make it fit any kit we want  ;D  Of course if you decide to release your own 251 C , go ahead and add those pieces to your up grade kit
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more info!
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 18, 2015, 09:59:11 am
Of course if you decide to release your own 251 C , go ahead and add those pieces to your up grade kit
We do want to release a 251C at a later stage with most of our current expansion kits compatible.  We are trying to group these variants into groups so that modelers/gamers can make each sprue useful... For example, buying a 3-in-1 kit and 3 basic 251s will enable you to build 3 variants!


Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more info!
Post by: Pinky on June 18, 2015, 10:59:42 am
We are aware of the SdKfz 251/9 situation.  However, for the SdKfz 251/22, depending on the source (on both historical and modeling websites), some indicated it was produced on both Ausf C and D variants.  Of course, we can limited the build for Ausf D only.  This is also why we posted on the forum for further comments before we committed ourselves to the current plan.

There will always be field conversions, prototypes and other obscure vehicle types, so anything is theoretically possible.  But the Ausf C was well out of production when the SdKfz 251/22 was introduced (which was very late in 1944), and there weren't many Ausf Cs left in service to be converted by that time.  The SdKfz 251/22 was a rare vehicle even in its Ausf D form.  It seems like a distraction to even think about trying to cover an Ausf C version.

I think you might have misunderstood what I said about the SdKfz 251/9.  I know you're doing the bolt-on K.51(Sf.) mounting for the Ausf D.  The point is that this was not used on the Ausf C version of the SdKfz 251/9, which had a different configuration.  So, your current  SdKfz 251/9 add-on will only be suitable for an Ausf D. 

Here's the Ausf C version pf the SdKfz 251/9:
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more info!
Post by: han5gruber on June 18, 2015, 05:44:38 pm
Add the small orange part. 9 out of 10 games won't realise or care that its not historically correct.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more info!
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 18, 2015, 06:28:32 pm
Another 3D drawing done... this time - SdKfz 251/16D Flammpanzerwagen

Fitted with two flame projectors and initially a rear mounted flamethrower, detachable but still connected to the vehicle, to be operated by dismounted infantry. This was in addition to the standard forward machine gun mount. Six SdKfz 251/16 Flammpanzerwagens were authorised for issue to each Panzergrenadier Regiment.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz%20251D%20Expansion%20150618-1_zpsrirtvxzy.jpg)



Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more info!
Post by: Pinky on June 18, 2015, 09:10:17 pm
I've never seen photos showing the shield design in your drawing.  I noticed there's an online blueprint with something similar, but there's no way of knowing what that's based on.

Here are some drawings of the SdKfz 251/16 mittlere Flammpanzerwagen Ausf C.  Note the design of the armoured shields and length and shape of the nozzles.  I've also attached some photos of the Ausf C (including one of a group of them, purely because they look cool).  The Ausf C version differed from the Ausf D. 
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more info!
Post by: Pinky on June 20, 2015, 11:10:45 am
The design of the nozzles and shields was changed in May 1944, and the portable flamethrower was dropped.  Here are some photos of the Ausf D version.  I have to say, it must have been a bit terrifying to fire those flamethrowers from an open-topped vehicle.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more info!
Post by: elcee on June 21, 2015, 08:34:41 pm
Modeling pov:

Regarding the 251/22
1. Do a version d only kit. Its a late war model and if there were /22 c versions those were most likely field conversions.
2. while thed "new" upper hull looks better you might print (let print) test pieces and decide then. Even a sinlgle hull piece takes up a lot space on the sprue. So the gained detail might not be worth the lost space.

regarding the 251/9 d & c
The version you did should be the late version, so its version d only. The c version and early d version both used a gun next to the driver. (see pinky)

gamer pov:

BUT regarding the vast amount of field coversions the wehrmacht had you might go the route with the minimum of changes parts for both. So the extra part on the mg mount and it should work with both versions. Im pretty sure they would have mounted the gun of an irrepairable d on a c if they had one ...
Let the people choose if they want to use version c or d in the end IF they care about (absolute) historical accuracy its up to them.
More flexibility should equal more sales...

Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more info!
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 21, 2015, 11:48:53 pm
elcee, thanks for the constructive comments!

There is no big secret that we will eventually produce a SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C plastic kit, just a matter when? 

We have no intention of competing with other manufacturers, but we think there are certain armoured vehicles that are very iconic, and need to be produced and included in our product portfolio.

Therefore, when we design our 251 expansion kits (including all previous and future releases), we will include features/components that are Ausf C or D specific.  Some later variants, such as 251/22, there might only be an Ausf D version, and not Ausf C.  In fact, a 251/22 Ausf C customer conversion is extremely easy to do!

As for the 251/9, it is more complicated.  The design we have shown is applicable to either a 251D or 250 Neu model; however, 3D drawing for the earlier 251/9 variant (251C and early 251D) is almost done as well!  So we might also include them in the production plan.

All in all, we will wait until 3D drawings of all planned 251 variants are done, then we will decided what to do next!




Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D - updated with more info!
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 22, 2015, 01:21:01 pm
This is another version of the SdKfz 251/16 Flammpanzerwagen as suggested by Pinky.  We have gone through several reference material, seems like there are several versions of the flame projectors and gun shields, some with long barrel and some with short ones.  This is further supported by historical photos and by various assembled 1/35 models available on the internet.  The Flammpanzerwagen is available on both the Ausf C & D.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/SdKfz%20251D%20Expansion%20150622-1_zpsnhxpr4zu.jpg)

We will put this aside until all 3D drawings for the 251 expansion kits are done!
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - updated with more info!
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 27, 2015, 02:35:25 am
More add-on weaponry...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB%20SdKfz%20251-7D%20AT%20Gun%20150626-1_zpsf3i9q610.jpg)



Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - updated with more info!
Post by: Pinky on June 27, 2015, 12:02:18 pm
Nice - I especially like the ammo stowage.  This weapon would be well suited to the alte SdKfz 250 - the SdKfz 250/11 was armed with one.  The Panzerbusche 41 got rarer as the war progressed due to a shortage of tungsten, but a few SdKfz 251s seem to have been fitted with them.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - updated with more info!
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 27, 2015, 12:08:08 pm
Nice - I especially like the ammo stowage.  This weapon would be well suited to the alte SdKfz 250 - the SdKfz 250/11 was armed with one.  The Panzerbusche 41 got rarer as the war progressed due to a shortage of tungsten, but a few SdKfz 251s seem to have been fitted with them.
This is very true.  Some 251s, especially on the 251/7 (both Ausf C & D) have them; some are installed on standard 251/1 as well.  We have drawn the ammo stowage in an ambiguous way so that they could be used for various weapons - AT gun, mortar, standard ammo, and the like.  We will include them sparingly on our 251 expansion kits.




Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - updated with more info!
Post by: Pinky on June 27, 2015, 02:08:19 pm
Good idea making the ammo storage generic.

I have a couple of photos of a Panzerbusche mounted on what looks like a standard Ausf D in Normandy.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - updated with more info!
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 30, 2015, 08:02:54 pm
After many man-hours of hard work, we have finally accumulated a good number of SdKfz 251 variants in our digital library.  As mentioned earlier, we have plan to release a SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C some time next year. Some of these variants will also be compatible to the new plastic kit too!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB01%20SdKfz%20251D%20Expansion%20Kit_zps79v1uzkp.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB02%20SdKfz%20251-9D_zpsgrcxv5t0.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB03%20SdKfz%20251-22D_zpsctxnts3k.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB04%20SdKfz%20251-16D_zps8tgqfpt9.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB05%20SdKfz%20251-3D_zpsbaghjen2.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB06%20SdKfz%20251-7D_zpsl2bbw36g.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB07%20SdKfz%20251-1D_zpsudgceamn.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB08%20SdKfz%20251-2D_zpsk3pwvbub.jpg)


Enjoy!!



Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - More EXPANSION KIT info
Post by: Yaquir on June 30, 2015, 09:09:49 pm
Great!
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - More EXPANSION KIT info
Post by: Laffe on June 30, 2015, 09:20:32 pm
Looks very interesting!
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - More EXPANSION KIT info
Post by: bull-nut on June 30, 2015, 10:46:18 pm
that 80mm mortar looks nice, can it be built dismounted as well or is it only usable within the vehicle?
Also, will any of these upgrades be compatible with the forthcoming SdKFz 250 kit? I think the 80mm mortar and 7.5cm L24 howitzer were mounted on the smaller chassis as well.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - More EXPANSION KIT info
Post by: Pinky on June 30, 2015, 11:15:32 pm
How many of those can you fit into one kit?  Personally, I think the Panzerbusche 41 is the least interesting  addition (maybe save that for the SdKfz 250?).  The /9 and the /22 are the most appealing to me.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - More EXPANSION KIT info
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 30, 2015, 11:21:37 pm
that 80mm mortar looks nice, can it be built dismounted as well or is it only usable within the vehicle?
If sprue space permits, we will include at least one dismount mortar with the kit so that you can use it with your infantry.

Also, will any of these upgrades be compatible with the forthcoming SdKFz 250 kit? I think the 80mm mortar and 7.5cm L24 howitzer were mounted on the smaller chassis as well.
That's the plan!  There are at least 3 variants that we can use on the SdKfz 250 kit - (1) Mortar, (2) sPzB 41, (3) 37mm PaK 36.  Not sure about the Kanone 51 on the SdKfz 250 Alte, it was only available on the Neu version.


Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - More EXPANSION KIT info
Post by: Rubicon Models on June 30, 2015, 11:26:56 pm
How many of those can you fit into one kit?  Personally, I think the Panzerbusche 41 is the least interesting  addition (maybe save that for the SdKfz 250?).  The /9 and the /22 are the most appealing to me.
It really depends on the number of parts per variant.  We do have some strategic planning needed to do as to what goes to which sprue.  At present, we do see the possibility of 2-in-1 and 3-in-1 kits.  Reason behind it was to save time and money redoing the moulds.  Wanted to group variants based on vehicles - SdKfz 251D / SdKfz 251C / SdKfz 250.

Right now is still too early to decide as this is still on the drawing board.  We do have some 3D prototypes done, but will wait until all proposed variants are done, then we will start looking at them all!!

Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - More EXPANSION KIT info
Post by: aphillathehun on July 04, 2015, 08:07:28 pm

I would really like to see a 251/17:

http://www.wehrmacht-history.com/images/heer/sd.kfz.251/sd.kfz.251-17-d-1.jpg (http://www.wehrmacht-history.com/images/heer/sd.kfz.251/sd.kfz.251-17-d-1.jpg)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - More EXPANSION KIT info
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 04, 2015, 09:54:09 pm
I would really like to see a 251/17:
For those who are not familiar with the variant, the SdKfz 251/17 Schützenpanzerwagen (2 cm) is an anti-aircraft vehicle armed with a 2cm KwK38 on a pedestal mounting with a small armored turret to protect the gunner.  Late war, it was issued as a platoon commander's vehicle to replace the SdKfz 251/10.

To decide what variants go into an expansion kit, we have to look into various aspects - usefulness in game, number of parts, and ease of integration.

The SdKfz 251/17 requires major rework of the SdKfz 251D chassis, something that we have not the time to do at the moment.  But we still have plans to release a few more variants at a later date.  May be we can include it together with the SdKfz 251/21 Schützenpanzerwagen (Drilling MG151s) later!

;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - More EXPANSION KIT info
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 05, 2015, 01:40:57 am
There had been A LOT of things being done for the past two weeks at the studio.  We have three sets of mould done for the A15 Crusader, the M5/M8, and the M3/M3A1; then we have started some new Q4 projects, and several Q3/Q4 projects had been moved into 3D prototyping.

Here are some SdKfz 251 Variants 3D prototypes from last weeks 3D drawings:

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB00%20SdKfz%20251-9-1_zpsf4rd3xrj.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB01%20SdKfz%20251-7-1_zpsetmyp42r.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB02%20SdKfz%20251-7-2_zpsmn1ffalr.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB03%20SdKfz%20251-3-1_zps9ujlzoxh.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB04%20SdKfz%20251-3-2_zpstg7fnbv0.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB05%20SdKfz%20251-16-1_zpsrahrfdf6.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB06%20SdKfz%20251-16-2_zpsdddd4piu.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB07%20SdKfz%20251-22-1_zpsgfvijc68.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB08%20SdKfz%20251-22-2_zpsilrmipb2.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB09%20SdKfz%20251-22-3_zpsguwn2rqk.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB10%20SdKfz%20251-22-4_zpsefp4et8i.jpg)

NOTE: These are just prototypes and are subject to modifications based on production requirements.  SdKfz 251/2 Mortar Carrier prototype not yet available for display.

Comments are welcome!!








Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: Pinky on July 05, 2015, 04:25:24 pm
I really like the /9 - looks great.  I assume it has some interior parts?

The /22 looks great too.  I think including the revised hull is a good idea, as it looks much better, but I can see it'll take up a lot of sprue space.

The Panzerbusche does look nice on the /7, and I see you added some boards between the footbridge supports.  Nice.  Any chance of adding some engineer stowage for the interior?

I think the flamethrowers on the/16 look rather crude - that variant maybe needs more research.  It's wirth doing, as flame throwing vehicles are popular in Bolt Action.

The /3 also looks a bit unconvincing.  The radio gear took up the whole right hand side.  Anyway, I suggest you make your /3 and /16 suitable for both the Ausf C and Ausf D versions - maybe release them later?
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 05, 2015, 05:01:49 pm
I really like the /9 - looks great.  I assume it has some interior parts?
Yes, it does.  We are also working on the SdKfz 251/9 "Stummel" with 7.5 cm KwK 37 L/24, the early production version on the Ausf D.


The /22 looks great too.  I think including the revised hull is a good idea, as it looks much better, but I can see it'll take up a lot of sprue space.
This is why we have two options at this point.  Will decide when the project is moved to mould making.


The Panzerbusche does look nice on the /7, and I see you added some boards between the footbridge supports.  Nice.  Any chance of adding some engineer stowage for the interior?
Not at this point.  Will see how the project goes...


I think the flamethrowers on the/16 look rather crude - that variant maybe needs more research.  It's worth doing, as flame throwing vehicles are popular in Bolt Action.
We have blueprints, photo and model references on the 251/16.  Basically the Germans had removed all the interior fitting, and added two gasoline tanks, a distribution pump, two single seats, and a rifle rack.  In fact, the cabin is quite crowded as you have a MG gunner and two crews operating the flamers.


The /3 also looks a bit unconvincing.  The radio gear took up the whole right hand side.  Anyway, I suggest you make your /3 and /16 suitable for both the Ausf C and Ausf D versions - maybe release them later?
Again, the 251/3 is based on available blueprints, photo and model references.  All radio equipment are basically rack mounted as shown on our prototype.  The other side of the vehicle remained unchanged as they are reserved for officers and radio crews during travel and operation.  Not shown is the retractable stern antenna on the rear side of the Ausf C.

As for the cross-availability of these expansion for both the Ausf C and D, here are some basic info:

251/1 with sPzB 41 - C & D and 250/11
251/1 Stuka zu Fuss - D only
251/2 Mortar Carrier - C & D and 250/7
251/3 Communications - C & D
251/7 Assault Engineer - C & D
251/8 Ambulance - C & D
251/9 Stummel - D only
251/9 with Kanone 51 - D and 250/8
251/10 with 3.7cm PaK 36 - C & D and 250/10
251/16 Flammpanzerwagen - C & D
251/22 with 7.5cm PaK 40 L/46 - D only

Will revise as the project progress!

Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: Pinky on July 05, 2015, 06:11:35 pm
Regarding the /16, my comment was about the flamethrowers themselves.  Your interior detail looks pretty good.

On the /3, as I said the communication equipment appears to have taken up the right side of the interior.  Your prototype still has a seat on that side.  But I guess it's fine.  I'm still not convinced the Ausf D version of the /3 was actually produced with the frame aerial.

Your list of variants looks good.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: bull-nut on July 05, 2015, 06:27:52 pm
Loving the /22, you can never have too many Heavy anti tank guns in Bolt Action. Just a thought though, how difficult would it be to produce a towed carriage for the PaK40? I admit its a bit late to put it in with the /22 upgrade, but maybe as a later kit, or bundled with a future Marder kit? it seems a shame to only use that lovely Pak40 for one model.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 05, 2015, 06:50:48 pm
Loving the /22, you can never have too many Heavy anti tank guns in Bolt Action. Just a thought though, how difficult would it be to produce a towed carriage for the PaK40? I admit its a bit late to put it in with the /22 upgrade, but maybe as a later kit, or bundled with a future Marder kit? it seems a shame to only use that lovely Pak40 for one model.
It is no good if we only included a towed carriage for the PaK40 without gun crews!  We do have many plans... waiting for their turns!!   ;D
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: ripley on July 05, 2015, 10:06:09 pm
All pictures of 251/3 I've seen have the radio rack replacing the right rear seat . The under seat stowage box still appears in most photos . The front right seat was either folded  up and the space used for typewriters , enigma machines  or removed completely as the seat was just a wood or canvas / leather covered metal  spring frame ( depending when made ) ,it seemed to be held in by the soldiers sitting on it . Almost like some modern day cheap lawn chair .( Actually the driver seats in the Tiger were the same kind of system , hitting a large pot hole could bounce the seat off its track making it very uncomfortable and dangerous for the driver .) Like most military vehicles , even todays , not the kind of seats g you'ld want to spend hours sitting on while driving cross country in a tracked vehicle
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: Pinky on July 06, 2015, 09:39:10 am
All pictures of 251/3 I've seen have the radio rack replacing the right rear seat . The under seat stowage box still appears in most photos . The front right seat was either folded  up and the space used for typewriters , enigma machines  or removed completely as the seat was just a wood or canvas / leather covered metal  spring frame ( depending when made ) ,it seemed to be held in by the soldiers sitting on it . Almost like some modern day cheap lawn chair .( Actually the driver seats in the Tiger were the same kind of system , hitting a large pot hole could bounce the seat off its track making it very uncomfortable and dangerous for the driver .) Like most military vehicles , even todays , not the kind of seats g you'ld want to spend hours sitting on while driving cross country in a tracked vehicle

Good points.  It looks as though the right front seat was replaced with a bench for Enigma machines etc.  There also seem to have been batteries positioned there.  I've only found photos of the early /3 interior.  Maybe it was more extensively modified?  The approach with the Ausf D was to make it easy to switch between variants.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: ripley on July 06, 2015, 10:36:06 am
I think part of the problem is that the vehicles where modified so much by either the staff officers who used it or by changing technology as the war went on . Some had the back of the seat and the wall storage bin still installed with the lower seat removed . Some had it all stripped out and tables or metal racks installed for crew use . There were at least 9 variations of the 251/3 , based on the combination of radios , ground to air , division to artillery , division to panzer , etc , etc   .Remember back in WW2 most radios only worked on one channel , that's why command tanks had 2 or 3 . One for tank to tank , one to talk to HQ and another , say for artillery or ground troop support  .In fact in the  late 30s most vehicles just had a receiver with the command vehicle having a transmitter , that's why the tanks had signal flags to talk to each other ...but I'm a little off topic     ::) So IMO most picture captions really don't give us the whole story . The only captions I trust are those of vehicles used by named figures , Rommel or Guderian for example . The propaganda corp / Signal Magazine  went mad photographing their every move so their vehicles are well documented inside and out
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 06, 2015, 11:03:41 am
Since there is a 251/3 discussion going on, we might want to add onto it.  The current prototype is basically based on blueprints of Ausf C and photos of both Ausf C & D, plus some Ausf B.  We tried to keep part counts down so that we can fit 3 variants into a single sprue, but minor changes are still possible.  The front bench beside the radio rack is a new part (it is shorter than the original one because of the rack), we have seen various configurations including stowage box, table, and additional equipment from photos which we believed were field modifications in place of the just the seats.  We'd decided to keep to the original blueprint for simplicity and let the modeler to convert based on their preferences.

Of course, there is still room to make changes now as long as we are still in the prototyping stage.  Any suggestion is welcome!

Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: bull-nut on July 06, 2015, 02:19:20 pm
It is no good if we only included a towed carriage for the PaK40 without gun crews!  We do have many plans... waiting for their turns!!   ;D
I'd be quite happy to see just the carriage and gun actually. It isn't that hard to convert plastic infantry into gun crew, and it lets me exercise my creative muscles a bit. However  I see your point of view, not everyone has spare infantry lying around or the will / ability to convert them.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: elcee on July 06, 2015, 04:28:56 pm
could you post a side by side shot (in different angles) of the /22 based on the normal hull with the "extra" part on top and the "new" hull?

The current images are somewhat hard to compare.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 06, 2015, 04:54:25 pm
could you post a side by side shot (in different angles) of the /22 based on the normal hull with the "extra" part on top and the "new" hull?
The current images are somewhat hard to compare.

There are line drawings showing the differences under this post.  Here is the link:
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=35.90

Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 09, 2015, 01:45:50 pm
Latest addition (probably the last one) for the current 251 Expansion project...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB09%20SdKfz%20251-9D%20Stummel_zpsylue21gc.jpg)

The two SdKfz 251/9 compared...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB10%20SdKfz%20251-9D%20Front_zpsfyzufw2e.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB11%20SdKfz%20251-9D%20Rear_zpskqowaha9.jpg)


Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: Pinky on July 10, 2015, 10:15:46 am
I can't check the accuracy of the internal details right now, but they both look great.  I'd suggest you don't bother with the early version of the Ausf D "Stummel" - if you're going to provide an alternative hull top for an Ausd D variant then it's probably better to do that for the /22.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: Pinky on July 10, 2015, 10:26:20 am
Incidentally, I see Warlord have rushed out an Ausf D of their own.  It's basically just their Ausf C with some replacement parts, and looks distinctly inferior to Rubicon's.  And there are no alternative versions.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: elias.tibbs on July 10, 2015, 03:22:35 pm
I got an advance copy of it a few weeks before launch, wasn't that impressed
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: Pinky on July 17, 2015, 11:20:33 pm
I see Warlord are about to release a plastic /16 based on their new Ausf D kit (photo below).  It looks okay - they've included some crew in protective suits, which is a nice touch - but some of the detail is rather heavy-handed, and of course Rubicon's basic Ausf D is superior.  I hope Rubicon gets their first Ausf D upgrade set out before Warlord does something similar.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 17, 2015, 11:53:35 pm
As you know, we never rush our releases!  Everything must get pass QC before going into production.  We rather be late than releasing an inferior product!

;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: elcee on July 22, 2015, 12:39:10 am
As you know, we never rush our releases!  Everything must get pass QC before going into production.  We rather be late than releasing an inferior product!

;)
In contrast to some of the warlord kits, to be fair i like most of them, there are even some things i prefer(Schürzen).
But kits like the 251 are inferior to your work.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: Pinky on July 22, 2015, 08:36:26 pm
Warlord's early kits don't compare well to Rubicon's.  But I have to say that the Italeri-designed kits are generally pretty good (they don't assemble quite as precisely as Rubicon's later kits though).  And (sorry Rubicon!) the forthcoming Panzer III looks like it's much more accurate that Rubicon's.  Maybe it's time that one got a makeover?
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 22, 2015, 09:21:22 pm
And (sorry Rubicon!) the forthcoming Panzer III looks like it's much more accurate that Rubicon's.  Maybe it's time that one got a makeover?

The Warlord Panzer III looks promising!  We have plans for other Panzer III variants, but not right away!  We would rather release plastic kits that are not available in the market than churning out similar products for the masses.



Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: elcee on July 23, 2015, 05:45:30 am
Warlord's early kits don't compare well to Rubicon's.  But I have to say that the Italeri-designed kits are generally pretty good (they don't assemble quite as precisely as Rubicon's later kits though).  And (sorry Rubicon!) the forthcoming Panzer III looks like it's much more accurate that Rubicon's.  Maybe it's time that one got a makeover?
With warlord kits i was thinking more ofc warlord italeri to be more specific. Competition is a good thing, at least for the consumer. It forces companies to improve to compete - looking at rubicon pz iv... we have come a long way.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: Laffe on July 27, 2015, 01:14:53 am
Some of the Warlord plastic kits -- those NOT designed by Italeri -- are very similar to the PSC 1/72 kits, and looks like they are simply upscaled, with the corresponding loss of detail. Their Hanomags are all upscaled PSC kits.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 27, 2015, 01:40:56 am
Off the record... Yes, many of the Warlord only releases are basically PSC upscaled 1/72 kits.  The Universal Carrier is a very good example because of the crews that was included.  Don't think Warlord had actually done any refinement to the 3d model before tooling.

Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: Laffe on July 27, 2015, 05:07:07 am
Off the record... Yes, many of the Warlord only releases are basically PSC upscaled 1/72 kits.  The Universal Carrier is a very good example because of the crews that was included.  Don't think Warlord had actually done any refinement to the 3d model before tooling.

They actually added a second Bren Gun on an AA mount. Otherwise it's the exact same kit, it's very obvious if you have built both. It's the same with the new /D hanomag, the crew figures is a dead giveaway.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: Pinky on July 27, 2015, 09:36:03 am
I don't think Warlord's upscaled PSC kits (and I think their Panzer IV was another one) really compete with most of Rubicon's in terms of detail or precision.  Italeri's kits are a different matter - especially their StuG and (judging from the photos) Panzer III; these are very good.  Although they don't always assemble quite as nicely as the latest Rubicon kits.  I'm building the Italeri Tiger I, and there are all sorts of gaps.  You have to clean up the parts quite carefully before you assemble anything.  The Rubicon Tiger I goes together much better. 
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: elcee on July 28, 2015, 04:45:25 pm
Its not only quality for me, sometimes kits are sort of a 3d puzzle, although this is not exclusive to warlord-italeri kits (warlord metals are much worse).
I really dont like looking at instructions and guessing the position of bits of a kit (resulting in searching my book or the web for reference data).
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Expansion Kit 3D Prototypes!
Post by: Rubicon Models on January 28, 2016, 02:02:47 pm
Last of the 250/251 Expansion Set... the SdKfz 251/23 -  2 cm Hängelafette 38 auf Mittlerer Schützenpanzerwagen.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB-251-23-160125-1_zps8kirrycx.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB-251-23-160125-2_zps1nabllsn.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB-251-23-160125-3_zpsgto2hhar.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB-251-23-160125-4_zpstsr3bxei.jpg)

Note the difference on turret design between the SdKfz 250/9 and SdKfz 251/23:
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20251-1%20Ausf%20D/FB-251-23-160125-5_zpswvlivypf.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)



Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - SdKfz 251/23 3D Drawing!
Post by: Pinky on January 28, 2016, 02:56:36 pm
Have Rubicon's researchers uncovered any evidence that this version was ever built?  My sources indicate that it probably never got further than a prototype, and noone knows whether it had a roof.  There seems to be only 1 photo of this vehicle, and that may or may not be genuine.

Meanwhile, there are two similar variants of the SdKfz 251 which definitely did see service, albeit in small numbers - the SdKfz 251/17 (which had a 20mm gun mounted on a pedestal with a crude turret) and the SdKfz 251/21 (which mounted the naval "Drilling" anti-aircraft gun).  These are both interesting looking vehicles which would make nice models.  Given that you're already producing the SdKfz 250/9, you kind of have this type of vehicle covered, so producing an SdKfz 251 version (especially when it's so obscure) seems a bit redundant.     
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - SdKfz 251/23 3D Drawing!
Post by: Rubicon Models on January 28, 2016, 03:09:29 pm
The turret is the main objective.  This turret is used in several other armoured vehicles.  We know the history behind the 251/23, incorporating this into our 250/9 sprue only requires several extra parts; this is why we put it there!

As for the SdKfz 251/17 and 251/21, they will require extensive resources into new 3D drawings, time which we don't have at the moment.

Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - SdKfz 251/23 3D Drawing!
Post by: Pinky on January 28, 2016, 03:50:08 pm
Well it's a nice depiction of the turret.  I think there was a discussion about the seat design a while back. 
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - SdKfz 251/23 3D Drawing!
Post by: Rubicon Models on January 28, 2016, 04:01:08 pm
Well it's a nice depiction of the turret.  I think there was a discussion about the seat design a while back.

Yes, indeed.  We have double check from various sources that the seats are correct.
The two turrets used a different design based on the same gun.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - SdKfz 251/23 3D Drawing!
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on January 28, 2016, 04:57:00 pm
I am sure the Terry Gander "Ian Allan does an Osprey style" book on the 250 mentions different shaped turrets on the armoured car version.

I do not have the book to hand.
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - SdKfz 251/23 3D Drawing!
Post by: Pinky on January 28, 2016, 05:39:28 pm
I am sure the Terry Gander "Ian Allan does an Osprey style" book on the 250 mentions different shaped turrets on the armoured car version.

Yes, the SdKfz 250/9 had a different turret depending on whether it was the Alte or Neu version.  This turret appeared on the Neu version. It also appeared on other vehicles, including the SdKfz 234/1 and the Aufklärungspanzer 38(t) 2cm KwK38.  From Rubicon's earlier post, they may be planning to use this turret for one of these vehicles (my guess is the Neu version of the SdKfz 250/9).   
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Updated 160222
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 22, 2016, 01:40:42 pm
A minor update on the SdKfz 251/22 Ausf D... additional ammo accessories!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250/FB%20251-22%20Preview%20160222-1_zpsaczhb2yf.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250/FB%20251-22%20Preview%20160222-2_zps7buoy7al.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Updated 160222
Post by: Pinky on February 22, 2016, 02:14:02 pm
Nice inclusion.  It looks a little bit wide compared to the real thing:

http://www.questmasters.us/sitebuilder/images/German_PAK_40_Cannon_Wooden_Ammunition_Crate_003-1173x673.jpg
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Updated 160222
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 22, 2016, 02:20:25 pm
Nice inclusion.  It looks a little bit wide compared to the real thing:

It has to be based on the shell itself, plus the plastic minimum thickness requirement.  Nothing much we can do unless we just mould everything into a single piece.  :(
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Updated 160222
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 22, 2016, 02:25:04 pm
3D prototype of the SdKfz 251/23.  With this new turret, it opens up a possibility of  three additional vehicles -SdKfz 250/9 Neu, SdKfz 234/1 & Aufklärungspanzer 38(t) - to our potential project list!
Note the two armoured mesh turret covers, took us extra long hours to get it right!  Highly detailed without the use of photo-etched brass!


(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250/FB%20251-23%20Preview%20160222-2_zpsnjskvw6d.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250/FB%20251-23%20Preview%20160222-3_zpscl28cma9.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250/FB%20251-23%20Preview%20160222-4_zps68ejwiwk.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250/FB%20251-23%20Preview%20160222-1_zps58wpsanc.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Updated 160222
Post by: stevepalffy on February 22, 2016, 04:56:37 pm
Nice !
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Updated 160222
Post by: Pinky on February 22, 2016, 04:58:43 pm
It has to be based on the shell itself, plus the plastic minimum thickness requirement.  Nothing much we can do unless we just mould everything into a single piece.  :(

Maybe mould the shells together with the crate, with just a separate lid?  Presumably you could then get thinner walls on the crate, and proper dimensions.  It would also save you some space on the sprue...

More amazing design work on the new turret - beautiful work!  I just can't help thinking it's a very obscure variant of the SdKfz 251, which overlaps the much more important SdKfz 250/9. 
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Updated 160222
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on February 22, 2016, 05:57:23 pm
A minor update on the SdKfz 251/22 Ausf D... additional ammo accessories!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250/FB%20251-22%20Preview%20160222-1_zpsaczhb2yf.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250/FB%20251-22%20Preview%20160222-2_zps7buoy7al.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)

Very nice, any chance of a KwK40 version for Panzer IV and Stugs (I know we have closed versions).
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Updated 160222
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 22, 2016, 06:08:27 pm
Very nice, any chance of a KwK40 version for Panzer IV and Stugs (I know we have closed versions).

May be on our second German Stowage Set... or a new Panzer IV...  ;)
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Updated 160222
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on February 22, 2016, 06:15:56 pm
3D prototype of the SdKfz 251/23.  With this new turret, it opens up a possibility of  three additional vehicles -SdKfz 250/9 Neu, SdKfz 234/1 & Aufklärungspanzer 38(t) - to our potential project list!
Note the two armoured mesh turret covers, took us extra long hours to get it right!  Highly detailed without the use of photo-etched brass!


(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250/FB%20251-23%20Preview%20160222-2_zpsnjskvw6d.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250/FB%20251-23%20Preview%20160222-3_zpscl28cma9.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250/FB%20251-23%20Preview%20160222-4_zps68ejwiwk.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/SdKfz%20250/FB%20251-23%20Preview%20160222-1_zps58wpsanc.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)

That is excellent, all that detail on the unseen portions of the lower turret.

Do you have plans for crew?

My assumption is that the 251 variant (on an existing hull) will provide some interim income while the three new hulls are designed. And will allow rivet shock to be postponed on the Ausf M hull (does that mean we have the 38(t) tank to look forward to or just the self propelled guns?).
Title: Re: SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D - Updated 160222
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on February 22, 2016, 06:16:36 pm
Very nice, any chance of a KwK40 version for Panzer IV and Stugs (I know we have closed versions).

May be on our second German Stowage Set... or a new Panzer IV...  ;)

Double Yay!