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Rubicon Models => Work In Progress => Topic started by: Rubicon Models on February 27, 2018, 02:09:37 pm

Title: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - TS1 Painted 180718
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 27, 2018, 02:09:37 pm
A quick single sprue project for the German!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20Intro%20180213-1_zpssjxzp65h.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20Intro%20180213-2_zpsnmzlj3ni.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20Intro%20180213-3_zps0iv13ojr.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 180227
Post by: Tracks on February 27, 2018, 03:56:06 pm
The problem is that I want them now. :(
How soon will it be available?

Quick question. Will the MG (MG34 / MG42) parts for this kit have modeler and gamer versions? I really like that the M4A3 kit (#2900042) gives you this option to have a gamer or modeler version of the MG.
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 180227
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on February 27, 2018, 05:55:55 pm
Excellent. A one sprue kit would be good value.

I assume the Kubelwagen will be true scale like the Perry one: http://ultravanillasmurf.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/perry-miniatures-kubelwagen.html (http://ultravanillasmurf.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/perry-miniatures-kubelwagen.html).

On the subject of modeling and gaming machine guns (I do want a Rubicon MG42 in gaming style for my Totenkontrolfahrzeug). Possibly something for the next German stowage set?

Any chance this could follow through with a schwimmwagen? That would probably be a slide mould plus bits.
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 180227
Post by: Pinky on February 27, 2018, 06:34:03 pm
This is very welcome...

Has anyone seen a photo of a Kubelwagen which actually has this machine gun mount?  It's very common on models, in war films and on restored vehicles, but I wonder if anyone really used it.
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 180227
Post by: Rubicon Models on February 27, 2018, 09:40:15 pm
Has anyone seen a photo of a Kubelwagen which actually has this machine gun mount?

Yes, there were a few historical photos with MG mounts in the Squadron book.
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 180227
Post by: EarlyWarGamer on February 27, 2018, 10:04:28 pm
Lovely model, and it fits right into my preferred "Early War" timeframe!
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 180227
Post by: ripley on February 27, 2018, 11:09:32 pm
Just spent the last hour or so looking on Google for the MG mount in period photos . Did find a couple but very indistinict and small pictures , not worth saving . Most interior  pictures of presurved late ( 42 -45 ) kubels  show the 4 rifle mount instead ( don't see how a AA mount would work there )
(https://s9.postimg.org/jmut3kd8r/type_82_1944.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/jmut3kd8r/)
I wonder if the MG mount was an early 1940s kind of attachment ,most vehicles , Horch , Krupp Boxer etc had some sort of  a AA MG mount during the invasion of France . Hmm , guess its time to pick up another Haynes book
(https://s9.postimg.org/gu1lj2n1n/Haynes.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/gu1lj2n1n/)
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 180227
Post by: Pinky on February 28, 2018, 12:42:22 am
Lovely model, and it fits right into my preferred "Early War" timeframe!

Kubelwagens didn't really enter service until after the Fall of France.  A better early war vehicle would be the various light passenger cars (Kfz 4).  Which were often fitted with a prominent machine gun mount. 
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 180227
Post by: Tracks on February 28, 2018, 02:21:26 am
Has anyone seen a photo of a Kubelwagen which actually has this machine gun mount?

Yes, there were a few historical photos with MG mounts in the Squadron book.

Very few combat photos show this type of MG mounted on a Kubelwagen, so it might be that it wasn't a common thing. However, Rubicon Models stated it will be an "option", so modelers/gamers that do not want it do not have to use the parts. For gamers that want to have it can use the parts.
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 180227
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on February 28, 2018, 04:06:05 am
Are those representative of the desert tyres?
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 180227
Post by: ripley on February 28, 2018, 05:57:30 am
Yes , those are the larger desert style tires , CAD style ;D .
(https://s9.postimg.org/5st4sdusb/vehicle_kubelwagen10.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5st4sdusb/)
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - Final Drawings 180302
Post by: Rubicon Models on March 02, 2018, 05:45:04 pm
This is the final design of the Volkswagen Kübelwagen, will now proceed to 3D printing for review. Digital sculpting of the driver is on the way!

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20Final%20180302-01_zpsvvythzl7.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20Final%20180302-02_zpsiikwrfcg.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20Final%20180302-03_zpsbwm7hcit.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20Final%20180302-04_zpsghefhmjs.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20Final%20180302-05_zpstjuhaqru.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - Final Drawings 180302
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on March 02, 2018, 06:48:11 pm
Nice.

So the soft top is still in development.
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - Final Drawings 180302
Post by: Tracks on March 02, 2018, 11:56:51 pm
Nice.

So the soft top is still in development.

I was just going to ask a similar question about the tarpaulin top.
Will the Kubelwagen kit come with full tarpaulin top cover like your Jeep kit?
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - Final Drawings 180302
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on March 03, 2018, 12:22:47 am
Nice.

So the soft top is still in development.

I was just going to ask a similar question about the tarpaulin top.
Will the Kubelwagen kit come with full tarpaulin top cover like your Jeep kit?

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20Final%20180302-02_zpsiikwrfcg.jpg)

I think the "fold or extended canvas top(WIP)" means they are working on the extended top.
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - Final Drawings 180302
Post by: Tracks on March 04, 2018, 12:08:48 am
Thanks ultravanillasmurf. I was so excited at the prospect of getting these I missed that bit of detail.

I just hope we don't have to wait until 2019 or later to see the Kubelwagen released. Sooner the better. ;)
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 180227
Post by: EarlyWarGamer on March 04, 2018, 01:30:07 am
Lovely model, and it fits right into my preferred "Early War" timeframe!

Kubelwagens didn't really enter service until after the Fall of France.  A better early war vehicle would be the various light passenger cars (Kfz 4).  Which were often fitted with a prominent machine gun mount.

The Kubelwagon Type 62 was in limited production prior to the invasion of Poland, and saw service there. This "real-world" experience uncovered some issues not found during normal trials.  These issues were addressed quickly, leading to the Type 82, which entered production in February 1940. There were plenty of Kubelwagon 82s serving in France.

So yes, a bit of a stretch using a Type 82 model (which looked similar but not identical) as a stand-in for the earlier Type 62 when gaming Poland 1939, but otherwise, it should be 100% good to use for the rest of the war, in any theater.
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - Final Drawings 180302
Post by: Pinky on March 04, 2018, 10:49:11 am
I had assumed that the Type 82 was in widespread service by the invasion of France, but this appears not to have been the case.  Very few had been produced by May 1940 (production only started in March or February).  A couple of sources say that many had been distributed in time for the invasion of France, but it took months to introduce a vehicle into service (especially in the Third Reich), and this doesn't seem to be correct.  It therefore appears that only a handful at most actually saw action in France.  If they did, I can't find any photos of them; the earliest photos I can find are of vehicles in North Africa.  I wonder if anyone else has any hard info on this?

That said, I wouldn't be at all bothered about including the Type 82 in a Fall of France army.  I only raised this because you're quite particular about this issue. 
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - Radio Car Drawings 180307
Post by: Rubicon Models on March 07, 2018, 01:34:24 am
When the standard Kübelwagen is done in plastic, we will be releasing a resin upgrade to transform it into a Radio Car...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Radio%20Car%20180306-02_zpscy0mhejp.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Radio%20Car%20180306-01_zpsxqowooa8.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - Final Drawings 180302
Post by: EarlyWarGamer on March 07, 2018, 02:07:22 am
That said, I wouldn't be at all bothered about including the Type 82 in a Fall of France army.  I only raised this because you're quite particular about this issue.

I am a very chill gamer. My own collection of minis is built to support "Early War" as I find that more interesting personally. I would play any theater, any timeframe, and happily so.

I would prefer NOT to see Tigers and Panthers taking on 7TPs in Poland in 1939.  But while the vast majority of German panzers in Poland were PZ Is and PZ IIs, it is still historically fine to have some Pz IIIs and Pz IVs there as well (early models with the weaker guns of course).

So... I believe some Kubelwagon Type 82s served in France 1940.  They may not have been widespread, but as a representative of a transport vehicle, I have no qualms fielding one in a game.  I have read that the Stug III A was in production starting in January 1940, and a few ZUGs were completed and rushed to France in the last week or two. Not sure that is completely true, and have found no confirmation they even saw combat, but the production dates are such that if somebody wanted to field a Stug III A in France 1940 I have no issues with that.
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - Radio Car Drawings 180307
Post by: tyroflyer on March 07, 2018, 06:39:11 am
I don't know the truth of when Kubelwagens were first deployed, however I agree with your basic philosophy EWG. I don't think their use in small numbers in the real world precludes them from the wargame table. Although I personally wouldn't use them in a setting that was too early for them. My reference confirms Stug Ausf A were operational with Sturmartillerie Batteries 640, 659, 660 & 665 during the French campaign.
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - 3D Sculpts 180314
Post by: Rubicon Models on March 14, 2018, 04:17:39 pm
More work is done! Now with a driver, textured seats, tarpaulin and windshield cover. Also added details for the Radio Car.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20Final%20180302-06_zpsp1u9d8rr.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20Final%20180302-07_zpssvwjwjut.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20Final%20180302-08_zpsnewonpou.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - 3D Sculpts 180314
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on March 14, 2018, 06:16:44 pm
Looking good.
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - TS1 Sprue 180717
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 17, 2018, 11:31:46 pm
Had not had an update since March... but here it is - four months queue in mould making!

A simple single plastic sprue that packed a lot of features and details in this little German car.
Optional expansion blister packs are planned as well:
- radio car
- stowage & canvas top (tarpaulin)
- new driver & passengers

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20TS1%20180712-1_zpsszlsdbwt.jpg)[/URL]

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - TS1 Sprue 180717
Post by: ripley on July 18, 2018, 12:38:56 am
Very nice
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - TS1 Sprue 180717
Post by: EarlyWarGamer on July 18, 2018, 12:40:58 am
Looks to be a fun little kit!
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - TS1 Sprue 180717
Post by: Tracks on July 18, 2018, 01:21:40 am
Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - TS1 Sprue 180717 looks great!

I can't wait to buy a couple of these to replace the resin ones that I have.

Would it be asking to much to see an early release? It would be great to see the Kübelwagen kit and the Sdkfz 222/221 kit released at the same time! Both kits would compliment each other nicely.
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - TS1 Sprue 180717
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on July 18, 2018, 02:43:07 am
Looks nice, well done in getting it on one sprue.

What period kit are the crew wearing?
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - TS1 Sprue 180717
Post by: EarlyWarGamer on July 18, 2018, 04:19:00 am
I cannot quite tell if the top pockets on that tunic are with (or without) pleats. But the flap is scalloped. So that is either a 1941 tunic (if there are pleats present), or a 1942 tunic (if the pleats are not present). Existing troops were not issued new tunics until their old ones wore out, so at a minimum, figure that driver is good from 1939 throughout 1941, and very likely into 1942 as well (even if there are no pleats).

The figure on the sprue looks to be wearing Jackboots, which were replaced with Ankle boots starting in 1941 (as the old boots wore out). Which again simply means there should be no issues (critics) complaining about that driver throughout 1941 and into 1942.

Of course, we get to see images at 5-10 times their normal size on computer monitors. I doubt anyone can make out the scalloped edges of pocket flaps (with or without pleats) at tabletop distances. And nobody is going to see the drivers boots!

Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - TS1 Painted 180718
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 18, 2018, 02:45:26 pm
Painted samples of the Kübelwagen and with her optional communication equipment "Radio Car" upgrade...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20TS1%20Painted%20180717-02_zpswrqjssvw.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20TS1%20Painted%20180717-03_zpsiwpdzbp1.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20TS1%20Painted%20180717-04_zpsqeiexm4n.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20TS1%20Painted%20180717-05_zpsnxqi4vj0.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20TS1%20Painted%20180717-06_zpsxvcz6eev.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20TS1%20Painted%20180717-07_zpswzha1jqn.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20TS1%20Painted%20180717-08_zpsc8c4pxbq.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - TS1 Painted 180718
Post by: ultravanillasmurf on July 18, 2018, 03:57:39 pm
That looks really good..

Thanks EWG, useful to know.
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - TS1 Painted 180718
Post by: Rubicon Models on July 18, 2018, 06:27:12 pm
Now with a North African version of the Kübelwagen for the DAK...

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20TS1%20Painted%20180717-09_zpsk7qbxocz.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20TS1%20Painted%20180717-10_zpsm4rx7ss3.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20TS1%20Painted%20180717-11_zpskhci0mfl.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20TS1%20Painted%20180717-12_zpsba22twqz.jpg)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag377/RubiconModels/German%20Vehicles/Kubelwagen%20TS1%20Painted%20180717-13_zps814glyjq.jpg)

Enjoy!
;)
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - TS1 Painted 180718
Post by: Ballardian on July 18, 2018, 08:03:00 pm

 Lovely, I sense another purchase coming on...
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - TS1 Painted 180718
Post by: ripley on July 19, 2018, 08:42:06 am
Wasn't really interested in the North African theater , but thinking now of a Kubel / Rommel's 250 Grief and a early Tiger diorama might be in my future . Really love those sand tires  ::)
Title: Re: Volkswagen Kübelwagen Type 82 - TS1 Painted 180718
Post by: Pinky on July 19, 2018, 12:04:37 pm
Kubelwagens look better with fatter tyres, that's for sure.  The standard tyres don't look as though they were much use off-road.

I am happy to see this kit.  I think some of the details are a bit off though:

- the headlights are too 'fat' looking and the detail is badly defined
- the shovel on the left fender is the wrong shape - the head should be flatter and wider
- the covered windshield doesn't seem to be attached to anything
- the canvas top folded up more neatly; on the kit it looks like a blanket roll
- the tread pattern on the desert tyres is exaggerated - it was far less prominent